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I could hardly slog through this text. It needs to be redone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.191.169.117 ( talk) 13:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
This text quite blatantly accepts and presents Biblical passages as fact without proof or context. The entire text needs to be revamped. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.227.69.133 ( talk) 08:57, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Sepulchres and rock-cut tombs generally are found in a variety of cultures. As this article refers solely to one such culture, I've changed the name to reflect this. Jimmy Pitt talk 13:09, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
If that form of architecture/building was already practiced among the Canaanites, as the article mentions, why is the title called "ancient Israel" excluding the Canaanite period?-- 80.10.72.24 ( talk) 13:18, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Then we could remove from here all the general info - but not before that, since it's not covered anywhere else. Jewish burial redirects to Jewish bereavement! Nothing about the past. We still don't have anything on the Diaspora and modern evolution. Once we do, we can link for instance Old Jewish Cemetery, Prague and Jewish Cemetery in general and much more,. Arminden ( talk) 18:21, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
The first two sentences should offer a definition, not confuse things. Whoever wrote it had no real clue about the topic. If it was me several years ago, shame on me.
First Temple period (FTP) tombs had a substantially different design and purpose from Second Temple period (STP) tombs, but there's no mention of that in that messy, misleading intro, which also concentrates on a secondary analysis instead of offering a definition. It should cover both FTP and STP. As of now, nobody knows if it refers to either of them, or both.
FTP rock-cut burials never used ossuaries, these appear late in the STP and disappear soon after, I believe 2nd c. BCE - 2nd c.CE only, and the ossuaries were deposited either in a hollow, or in loci/kokhim/shafts, or in arcosolia (on stone benches under arched ceilings). FTP tombs though had a separate chamber for secondary burial, see Ketef Hinnom: just skeletons placed one next to, or on top of, each other. That distinction is essential. Arminden ( talk) 14:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
The chronologically early books of the Bible narrative are not useful as a source for "history". The proof follows right away in current article text: Abraham is non-historical, and even those who try to place him in a historical or archaeological period, land in the Bronze Age, so not as done here, in the Iron Age (see Cave of Machpelah). Apples and oranges, the usual mess. Arminden ( talk) 15:18, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
The rock-cut tombs are in East Jerusalem, which is not recognized as Israel today; and they were in the Kingdom of Judah thousands of years ago, not the Kingdom of Israel. Therefore, the title is wrong; suggestions would be moving either to Rock-cut tombs in ancient Palestine or simply Ancient rock-cut tombs. Dan Palraz ( talk) 13:43, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
(ancient Beit She'arim) ... is supported by its having the "highest concentration of graphite associated with late ancient Levantine Jewish populations." [1]
There are a total of 21 excavated catacombs currently excavated, though some experts estimate the remaining undiscovered remains could number in the hundreds or even thousands,...
... with as much as two-thirds of the catacombs' geographic spread remaining to be explored.
The graves are widely considered to be exceptional to the region, but others note that many of the death practices present are consistent with conventional Levantine practices.
Reference:
Arminden ( talk) 18:29, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 08:16, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
I could hardly slog through this text. It needs to be redone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.191.169.117 ( talk) 13:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
This text quite blatantly accepts and presents Biblical passages as fact without proof or context. The entire text needs to be revamped. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.227.69.133 ( talk) 08:57, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Sepulchres and rock-cut tombs generally are found in a variety of cultures. As this article refers solely to one such culture, I've changed the name to reflect this. Jimmy Pitt talk 13:09, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
If that form of architecture/building was already practiced among the Canaanites, as the article mentions, why is the title called "ancient Israel" excluding the Canaanite period?-- 80.10.72.24 ( talk) 13:18, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Then we could remove from here all the general info - but not before that, since it's not covered anywhere else. Jewish burial redirects to Jewish bereavement! Nothing about the past. We still don't have anything on the Diaspora and modern evolution. Once we do, we can link for instance Old Jewish Cemetery, Prague and Jewish Cemetery in general and much more,. Arminden ( talk) 18:21, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
The first two sentences should offer a definition, not confuse things. Whoever wrote it had no real clue about the topic. If it was me several years ago, shame on me.
First Temple period (FTP) tombs had a substantially different design and purpose from Second Temple period (STP) tombs, but there's no mention of that in that messy, misleading intro, which also concentrates on a secondary analysis instead of offering a definition. It should cover both FTP and STP. As of now, nobody knows if it refers to either of them, or both.
FTP rock-cut burials never used ossuaries, these appear late in the STP and disappear soon after, I believe 2nd c. BCE - 2nd c.CE only, and the ossuaries were deposited either in a hollow, or in loci/kokhim/shafts, or in arcosolia (on stone benches under arched ceilings). FTP tombs though had a separate chamber for secondary burial, see Ketef Hinnom: just skeletons placed one next to, or on top of, each other. That distinction is essential. Arminden ( talk) 14:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
The chronologically early books of the Bible narrative are not useful as a source for "history". The proof follows right away in current article text: Abraham is non-historical, and even those who try to place him in a historical or archaeological period, land in the Bronze Age, so not as done here, in the Iron Age (see Cave of Machpelah). Apples and oranges, the usual mess. Arminden ( talk) 15:18, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
The rock-cut tombs are in East Jerusalem, which is not recognized as Israel today; and they were in the Kingdom of Judah thousands of years ago, not the Kingdom of Israel. Therefore, the title is wrong; suggestions would be moving either to Rock-cut tombs in ancient Palestine or simply Ancient rock-cut tombs. Dan Palraz ( talk) 13:43, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
(ancient Beit She'arim) ... is supported by its having the "highest concentration of graphite associated with late ancient Levantine Jewish populations." [1]
There are a total of 21 excavated catacombs currently excavated, though some experts estimate the remaining undiscovered remains could number in the hundreds or even thousands,...
... with as much as two-thirds of the catacombs' geographic spread remaining to be explored.
The graves are widely considered to be exceptional to the region, but others note that many of the death practices present are consistent with conventional Levantine practices.
Reference:
Arminden ( talk) 18:29, 8 March 2024 (UTC)