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I've removed the category Category:Gangsters which is a redirect to Category:Mobsters. As the article is already listed under Category:Canadian mobsters, the Category:Mobsters is not nessessary. MadMax 16:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Good afternoon, @ User:Vaselineeeeeeee. I know that you keep track of articles about the mob and we have collaborated on improving a couple of them. Note that there has been some new information published since a major update was done on this article. I have made the updates. Cheers, Peter K Burian ( talk) 22:24, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
I work on editing a lot of articles and based on my experience, much of this from the lead should be in the body of the article.
AND perhaps we should have a section about his Personal Life, separate from his business life.
Your thoughts about this @ User:Vaselineeeeeeee?
Perri was born in the Italian town of Platì in Calabria, and immigrated to the United States, and later to Canada in 1908. In the early 1910s, Perri started work in construction and in a bakery. Perri and his wife began a business in bootlegging in 1916, when Ontario restricted the sale of alcohol. Starkman dealt mainly with the finances of the business. He began a career exporting liquor from distilleries, such as Gooderham and Worts, to the United States, and became known as "The King of the Bootleggers".[2] Perri was charged with perjury after a Royal Commission testimony, and served five months in prison. In 1930, Starkman was ambushed in her garage and killed; no one was charged with her murder. In 1940, Perri was arrested and sent to internment at Camp Petawawa as part of the Italian Canadian internment; he was released three years later. Perri disappeared in Hamilton on April 23, 1944, when he went for a walk to clear his head; his body was never found.
Peter K Burian ( talk) 22:38, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
A Last Will and Testament from 1930 purporting to be to be that of Rocco Perri came to light in 1998 but there is serious doubt that Perri was ever declared dead. A CBC News report in 2012 stated that "there’s no death certificate out there for Rocco Perri".[25] The group attempting to access the mobster's estate said in 2018 that there was no Social Insurance Number or death certificate and that the Canada Revenue Agency had transferred the funds from Perri's estate to Italy in 2008.[26]
Peter K Burian ( talk) 14:01, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
@ User:Vaselineeeeeeee... Perri had a long-term (off and on) affair with Olive Routledge from 1917 until her death in 1922 but was living with Bessie at the time, so Routledge would not have been a spouse/partner, in my view.
By 1936, he was living with another woman, Annie Newman, who helped him to improve his criminal enterprise.[17] So, I added her as the second partner, deleting Routledge.
After Bessie's death: he met another Jewish woman from Toronto and brought her back to Hamilton. It’s not really clear how he met Annie Newman, but he immediately saw in her Bessie 2.0,” Cole said. “Annie was just as corrupt and business-like as Bessie. https://www.cjnews.com/perspectives/features/hamiltons-boardwalk-empire Peter K Burian ( talk) 14:31, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Peter K Burian ( talk) 14:36, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
OK, I added Routledge to the Partners section. Peter K Burian ( talk) 16:46, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Will do tonight. Peter K Burian ( talk) 19:53, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Will check tomorrow.. Peter K Burian ( talk) 03:01, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
@ User:Vaselineeeeeeee ... I cannot find another source who confirms the infant death. So, to be safe, I have deleted that sentence. Peter K Burian ( talk) 13:22, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Peter K Burian: I created Bessie Starkman using most of the info from here as she is a powerful woman who deserves a page and has a ton of info on her. Feel free to give more info pertaining to her there. Vaselineeeeeeee ★★★ 18:28, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Great idea User:Vaselineeeeeeee! Will do. Cheers, Peter K Burian ( talk) 18:46, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
I checked photos online
Here is one, showing the Perri deleted: http://historicalhamilton.com/type/cemetery/ohev-zedeck-cemetery/p-2519-bessie-starkman-perri-tomb-close-up.html
Here is one in a video, of the top section too, showing Toben Starkman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iX8OYo2Y00 But that does not look like it was added. It was probably always there. Articles that I have read mention only one modification, the removal of the name Perri. But whether that is correct or not, I don't know. Peter K Burian ( talk) 16:58, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Ok. Cheers, Peter K Burian ( talk) 23:32, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
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I'll get to this within a couple of days! ♦
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Sorry for the delay in getting to this as I've been busy with university stuff! I enjoyed reading this, it's always a pleasure to review mobsters of this time as I'm particularly interested in them. I'll leave this on hold until the above are clarified. Once those minor things are out of the way I'll be happy to promote this. ♦
jaguar
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I've removed the category Category:Gangsters which is a redirect to Category:Mobsters. As the article is already listed under Category:Canadian mobsters, the Category:Mobsters is not nessessary. MadMax 16:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Good afternoon, @ User:Vaselineeeeeeee. I know that you keep track of articles about the mob and we have collaborated on improving a couple of them. Note that there has been some new information published since a major update was done on this article. I have made the updates. Cheers, Peter K Burian ( talk) 22:24, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
I work on editing a lot of articles and based on my experience, much of this from the lead should be in the body of the article.
AND perhaps we should have a section about his Personal Life, separate from his business life.
Your thoughts about this @ User:Vaselineeeeeeee?
Perri was born in the Italian town of Platì in Calabria, and immigrated to the United States, and later to Canada in 1908. In the early 1910s, Perri started work in construction and in a bakery. Perri and his wife began a business in bootlegging in 1916, when Ontario restricted the sale of alcohol. Starkman dealt mainly with the finances of the business. He began a career exporting liquor from distilleries, such as Gooderham and Worts, to the United States, and became known as "The King of the Bootleggers".[2] Perri was charged with perjury after a Royal Commission testimony, and served five months in prison. In 1930, Starkman was ambushed in her garage and killed; no one was charged with her murder. In 1940, Perri was arrested and sent to internment at Camp Petawawa as part of the Italian Canadian internment; he was released three years later. Perri disappeared in Hamilton on April 23, 1944, when he went for a walk to clear his head; his body was never found.
Peter K Burian ( talk) 22:38, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
A Last Will and Testament from 1930 purporting to be to be that of Rocco Perri came to light in 1998 but there is serious doubt that Perri was ever declared dead. A CBC News report in 2012 stated that "there’s no death certificate out there for Rocco Perri".[25] The group attempting to access the mobster's estate said in 2018 that there was no Social Insurance Number or death certificate and that the Canada Revenue Agency had transferred the funds from Perri's estate to Italy in 2008.[26]
Peter K Burian ( talk) 14:01, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
@ User:Vaselineeeeeeee... Perri had a long-term (off and on) affair with Olive Routledge from 1917 until her death in 1922 but was living with Bessie at the time, so Routledge would not have been a spouse/partner, in my view.
By 1936, he was living with another woman, Annie Newman, who helped him to improve his criminal enterprise.[17] So, I added her as the second partner, deleting Routledge.
After Bessie's death: he met another Jewish woman from Toronto and brought her back to Hamilton. It’s not really clear how he met Annie Newman, but he immediately saw in her Bessie 2.0,” Cole said. “Annie was just as corrupt and business-like as Bessie. https://www.cjnews.com/perspectives/features/hamiltons-boardwalk-empire Peter K Burian ( talk) 14:31, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Peter K Burian ( talk) 14:36, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
OK, I added Routledge to the Partners section. Peter K Burian ( talk) 16:46, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Will do tonight. Peter K Burian ( talk) 19:53, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Will check tomorrow.. Peter K Burian ( talk) 03:01, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
@ User:Vaselineeeeeeee ... I cannot find another source who confirms the infant death. So, to be safe, I have deleted that sentence. Peter K Burian ( talk) 13:22, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Peter K Burian: I created Bessie Starkman using most of the info from here as she is a powerful woman who deserves a page and has a ton of info on her. Feel free to give more info pertaining to her there. Vaselineeeeeeee ★★★ 18:28, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Great idea User:Vaselineeeeeeee! Will do. Cheers, Peter K Burian ( talk) 18:46, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
I checked photos online
Here is one, showing the Perri deleted: http://historicalhamilton.com/type/cemetery/ohev-zedeck-cemetery/p-2519-bessie-starkman-perri-tomb-close-up.html
Here is one in a video, of the top section too, showing Toben Starkman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iX8OYo2Y00 But that does not look like it was added. It was probably always there. Articles that I have read mention only one modification, the removal of the name Perri. But whether that is correct or not, I don't know. Peter K Burian ( talk) 16:58, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Ok. Cheers, Peter K Burian ( talk) 23:32, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Jaguar ( talk · contribs) 22:12, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
I'll get to this within a couple of days! ♦
jaguar
22:12, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay in getting to this as I've been busy with university stuff! I enjoyed reading this, it's always a pleasure to review mobsters of this time as I'm particularly interested in them. I'll leave this on hold until the above are clarified. Once those minor things are out of the way I'll be happy to promote this. ♦
jaguar
00:30, 17 February 2021 (UTC)