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All allegations made in the article have been sourced, with inline citations provided.-- Jeanne Boleyn ( talk) 15:50, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
The source says British Army so it should be used. Regular Army is confusing for readers as it doesn't specify which army we are referring to. British? Irish?-- Jeanne Boleyn ( talk) 06:27, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Nothing is mentioned about Jackson's poultry lorry after the bombs were allegedly transferred into the car boots. I presume a UVF member drove it back across the border while Jackson, Hanna and the others made their way into Dublin city centre. None of the sources mention it. I wonder if Justice Barron questioned this omission in the account of events for 17 May 1974?-- Jeanne Boleyn ( talk) 15:59, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
There appears to be an edit war brewing on this page as to whether Jackson should be described as a Northern Irish loyalist or Ulster loyalist. IMO, the former is more accurate seeing as the state is known as Northern Ireland not Ulster. Additionally, a person's nationality should be identified in the lead.-- Jeanne Boleyn ( talk) 10:35, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
The SAS training him abroad? Source? Also, Hayes 2005; I can't definitively state that a book about Japanese porn and hookers doesn't contain scholarly information about the security forces in Northern Ireland, but....really? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prairie-five-oh ( talk • contribs) 01:20, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
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"An article by Paul Foot in Private Eye suggested that Jackson led one of the teams that bombed Dublin on 17 May 1974, killing 26 people, including two infants. Royal Ulster Constabulary Special Patrol Group (SPG) officer John Weir, himself a convicted murderer, also maintained this in an affidavit. The information from Weir's affidavit was published in 2003 in the Barron Report, which was the findings of an official investigation into the Dublin bombings commissioned by Irish Supreme Court Justice Henry Barron. Journalist Kevin Dowling in the Irish Independent alleged that Jackson had headed the gang that perpetrated the Miami Showband killings, which left three members of the cabaret band dead and two wounded. Journalist Joe Tiernan and the Pat Finucane Centre alleged this as well as Jackson's involvement in the Dublin bombings. When questioned about the latter, Jackson denied involvement. Findings noted in a report by the Historical Enquiries Team (HET) (released in December 2011) confirmed that Jackson was linked to the Miami Showband attack through his fingerprints which had been found on the silencer specifically made for the Luger pistol used in the shootings."
Where are the sources for this paragraph? Zoidberg262 ( talk) 17:25, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
I would advise both Zoidberg and Jeanne to stop reverting as this article is under 1RR which has been breached. Mo ainm ~Talk 00:33, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
I need help in fixing the refs. I've beem working for over an hour trying to repair them to no avail.-- Jeanne Boleyn ( talk) 18:20, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Was Robin a relation of Ronald "Nikko" Jackson of Portadown who was a "freelancer" between the UVF and UDA? According to Judge Barron's report he stole the car used in the 1974 Monaghan bombing. He was a skilled bombmaker and car thief although not a member of either group.-- Jeanne Boleyn ( talk) 17:04, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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I am quite sure Jackson was born in Donaghmore, County Down not Tyrone. This village is only a matter of yards from the scene of the Miami showband massacre. For what its worth I was sure Jackson was also buried in the same village. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dessie Porter ( talk • contribs) 13:22, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
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In the first paragraph under the 1976 subheading of the 'Other Killings' section, there is a link to the wiki of the place called 'Kingsmill', however it directs to a Kingsmill in Virginia, USA. I assume this is a mistake, however I don't know enough about editing Wikipedia to rectify it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.215.15 ( talk) 12:49, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
The paragraph below appears to be outdated and now factually incorrect so should be deleted. A living person is being sued for as responsible for these murders and indeed another living person named the persons allegedly responsible in a separate trial (all publicly available information). No reliable source appears to be alleging Robin Jackson is the person responsible for these murders. The statement of Weir is a primary source, biased and clearly unreliable in the context of a biography and in light of recent cases and other articles.
Generally, should the lengthy paragraphs in relation to attacks and killings that have their own articles be so lengthy so as to avoid duplication and potential mismatching?
"...reportedly perpetrated his last killings in March 1991, with the fatal shootings of three Catholics, Eileen Duffy, Catriona Rennie, and Brian Frizzell, at a mobile shop in Craigavon. Duffy and Rennie were teenage girls. Weir's affidavit contradicted this as it pointed out that although Jackson was aware that the killings were to take place, he had not been at the scene of the crime; a solicitor informed Weir he had been with Jackson at his home at the time the shootings occurred to provide him with an alibi. Investigative journalist Paul Larkin suggested that the shooting attack against the shop was organised by Jackson upon receiving complaints from UDR soldiers after they had been refused service and insulted by the mobile shop employees. Larkin identified one of the hitmen as Mark "Swinger" Fulton. Although the RUC initially arrested UVF members associated with Jackson, they then focused their attention on the men belonging to the Mid-Ulster Brigade's Portadown unit led by Billy Wright. Fulton was a prominent member of this unit and served as Wright's right-hand man." TheSquareMile ( talk) 19:59, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
I just came upon your posting. Thank you for the new information which of course demonstrates that Jackson didn't have a hand in the killings. I shall delete the outdated paragraph immediately. Cheers Jeanne Boleyn ( talk) 14:31, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
The UVF has only one brigadier, its commander-in-chief (John Graham) who holds the rank of brigadier-general. Commanders of brigades, so-called "brigadiers", are colonels (or lieutenant-colonels). Brigades exist only outside Belfast, where battalion commanders are definitely lieutenant-colonels. I hope my change in the infobox is fair, although "(UVF rank)" could read "(UVF terminology)" if editors are sure the term "brigadier" is appropriate Billsmith60 ( talk) 12:00, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
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All allegations made in the article have been sourced, with inline citations provided.-- Jeanne Boleyn ( talk) 15:50, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
The source says British Army so it should be used. Regular Army is confusing for readers as it doesn't specify which army we are referring to. British? Irish?-- Jeanne Boleyn ( talk) 06:27, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Nothing is mentioned about Jackson's poultry lorry after the bombs were allegedly transferred into the car boots. I presume a UVF member drove it back across the border while Jackson, Hanna and the others made their way into Dublin city centre. None of the sources mention it. I wonder if Justice Barron questioned this omission in the account of events for 17 May 1974?-- Jeanne Boleyn ( talk) 15:59, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
There appears to be an edit war brewing on this page as to whether Jackson should be described as a Northern Irish loyalist or Ulster loyalist. IMO, the former is more accurate seeing as the state is known as Northern Ireland not Ulster. Additionally, a person's nationality should be identified in the lead.-- Jeanne Boleyn ( talk) 10:35, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
The SAS training him abroad? Source? Also, Hayes 2005; I can't definitively state that a book about Japanese porn and hookers doesn't contain scholarly information about the security forces in Northern Ireland, but....really? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prairie-five-oh ( talk • contribs) 01:20, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Any exceptional claim requires multiple high-quality sources.[10] Red flags that should prompt extra caution include:
surprising or apparently important claims not covered by multiple mainstream sources, challenged claims that are supported purely by primary or self-published sources or those with an apparent conflict of interest, reports of a statement by someone that seems out of character, or against an interest they had previously defended, claims that are contradicted by the prevailing view within the relevant community, or that would significantly alter mainstream assumptions, especially in science, medicine, history, politics, and biographies of living people. This is especially true when proponents say there is a conspiracy to silence them.
In general, any tabloid newspaper, television show, or site, such as The Sun, The Daily Mirror, The Register, and so on, should not be used when a more respected, mainstream source exists.
"An article by Paul Foot in Private Eye suggested that Jackson led one of the teams that bombed Dublin on 17 May 1974, killing 26 people, including two infants. Royal Ulster Constabulary Special Patrol Group (SPG) officer John Weir, himself a convicted murderer, also maintained this in an affidavit. The information from Weir's affidavit was published in 2003 in the Barron Report, which was the findings of an official investigation into the Dublin bombings commissioned by Irish Supreme Court Justice Henry Barron. Journalist Kevin Dowling in the Irish Independent alleged that Jackson had headed the gang that perpetrated the Miami Showband killings, which left three members of the cabaret band dead and two wounded. Journalist Joe Tiernan and the Pat Finucane Centre alleged this as well as Jackson's involvement in the Dublin bombings. When questioned about the latter, Jackson denied involvement. Findings noted in a report by the Historical Enquiries Team (HET) (released in December 2011) confirmed that Jackson was linked to the Miami Showband attack through his fingerprints which had been found on the silencer specifically made for the Luger pistol used in the shootings."
Where are the sources for this paragraph? Zoidberg262 ( talk) 17:25, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
I would advise both Zoidberg and Jeanne to stop reverting as this article is under 1RR which has been breached. Mo ainm ~Talk 00:33, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
I need help in fixing the refs. I've beem working for over an hour trying to repair them to no avail.-- Jeanne Boleyn ( talk) 18:20, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Was Robin a relation of Ronald "Nikko" Jackson of Portadown who was a "freelancer" between the UVF and UDA? According to Judge Barron's report he stole the car used in the 1974 Monaghan bombing. He was a skilled bombmaker and car thief although not a member of either group.-- Jeanne Boleyn ( talk) 17:04, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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I am quite sure Jackson was born in Donaghmore, County Down not Tyrone. This village is only a matter of yards from the scene of the Miami showband massacre. For what its worth I was sure Jackson was also buried in the same village. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dessie Porter ( talk • contribs) 13:22, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
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In the first paragraph under the 1976 subheading of the 'Other Killings' section, there is a link to the wiki of the place called 'Kingsmill', however it directs to a Kingsmill in Virginia, USA. I assume this is a mistake, however I don't know enough about editing Wikipedia to rectify it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.215.15 ( talk) 12:49, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
The paragraph below appears to be outdated and now factually incorrect so should be deleted. A living person is being sued for as responsible for these murders and indeed another living person named the persons allegedly responsible in a separate trial (all publicly available information). No reliable source appears to be alleging Robin Jackson is the person responsible for these murders. The statement of Weir is a primary source, biased and clearly unreliable in the context of a biography and in light of recent cases and other articles.
Generally, should the lengthy paragraphs in relation to attacks and killings that have their own articles be so lengthy so as to avoid duplication and potential mismatching?
"...reportedly perpetrated his last killings in March 1991, with the fatal shootings of three Catholics, Eileen Duffy, Catriona Rennie, and Brian Frizzell, at a mobile shop in Craigavon. Duffy and Rennie were teenage girls. Weir's affidavit contradicted this as it pointed out that although Jackson was aware that the killings were to take place, he had not been at the scene of the crime; a solicitor informed Weir he had been with Jackson at his home at the time the shootings occurred to provide him with an alibi. Investigative journalist Paul Larkin suggested that the shooting attack against the shop was organised by Jackson upon receiving complaints from UDR soldiers after they had been refused service and insulted by the mobile shop employees. Larkin identified one of the hitmen as Mark "Swinger" Fulton. Although the RUC initially arrested UVF members associated with Jackson, they then focused their attention on the men belonging to the Mid-Ulster Brigade's Portadown unit led by Billy Wright. Fulton was a prominent member of this unit and served as Wright's right-hand man." TheSquareMile ( talk) 19:59, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
I just came upon your posting. Thank you for the new information which of course demonstrates that Jackson didn't have a hand in the killings. I shall delete the outdated paragraph immediately. Cheers Jeanne Boleyn ( talk) 14:31, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
The UVF has only one brigadier, its commander-in-chief (John Graham) who holds the rank of brigadier-general. Commanders of brigades, so-called "brigadiers", are colonels (or lieutenant-colonels). Brigades exist only outside Belfast, where battalion commanders are definitely lieutenant-colonels. I hope my change in the infobox is fair, although "(UVF rank)" could read "(UVF terminology)" if editors are sure the term "brigadier" is appropriate Billsmith60 ( talk) 12:00, 30 August 2022 (UTC)