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Via Google Images I found that the Portugese Wikipedia has a much nicer public domain photo. I don't speak Portugese but it looks like it's tagged for moving to Commons. GNR-interested editors might want to use that pic here or keep an eye on it's pending move to Commons so we can use it... -- kingboyk 12:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
During I Ghosts 1, Finck was playing some sort of woodwind about the size of a recorder for the song. This might be added to the instruments played section if anyone can identify what he played. 98.223.27.212 ( talk) 20:48, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Can we please include his Manson time, he played keyboards (uncredited however both Manson and Finck confirmed he played on Coma White on keybaords also: Finck played on Broken, Fixed, The Downward Spiral, Further Down The Spiral, The Perfect Drug, We're In This Together, The Fragile, Things Falling Apart and also And All That Could Have Been. So here's what Finck played on and thanks to Trent and Lohner, was uncredited for: Wish (Keyboards) Last (Keybaords) Gave Up (Keyboards) Physical (Oh So) (Backing Rhythm) Heresy (mute) (Keyboards) March Of The Pigs (Guitar) Closer (Precursor) (Remixed) Liar (Reptile Demo) (Sound FX) Reptile (Sound FX) The Art Of Self Destuction (Synth) The Downward Spiral (The Bottom) (Synth) March of The F**kheads (Guitar) Memorobilia (Voices, other) 10 Miles High (Backing Vocals) The Perfect Drug (perfect mix) (Backing Vocals) We're In This Together (Synth) Starf**kers (All About You Remix) (Guitar Overdub) and uncredited for I'm Afraid Of Americans.
His first show was in 1993 as a backing keyboardist, was a trial and then he re-joined full time in 1994.
Right, I believe the following to be correct:
One place I usually trust is NINwiki, and this backs up these assertions. violet/riga (t) 19:56, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Bucketheader 20:02, 19 August 2007 (UTC) The following links contradict all of your information, however: http://www.discogs.com/release/4404 http://www.discogs.com/release/3528 http://www.discogs.com/release/4403 Bucketheader also wrote: "you haven't provided a reliable source to show he isn't credited on those NIN albums." Actually, these credits were taken directly from each albums liner notes. There is no reason why my posts should be degraded and referred to as "vandalism" when I am merely trying to post factual data with supported links. VR2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by VR2007 ( talk • contribs) 20:06:53, August 19, 2007 (UTC).
Wikipedia guidlines are to source information, this has been done, and it has been done with a reliable source. If you revert the edits again you will get a warning on your talk page, if you do it again you will be blocked. If you want to prove these sources wrong scan images of the credits in the CD booklets and show them to us and we will delete the sources. Skeeker [ Talk 20:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Violet/riga: I'm willing to concede your information is correct. However, being a member of a band and touring with a band does not mean a musician is credited as a songwriter. Robin Finck was just a part of Nine Inch Nail's live touring ensemble, which is why I left And All That Could Have Been under his discography. It's widely known that Reznor (along with producers and engineers) wrote almost all of Nine Inch Nail's material dating back to the very albums in question. No one is denying that Finck was a member of the band. I am merely contending that he did not contribute to The Downward Spiral or Further Down The Spiral. I was partially incorrect for asserting that he made no contributions on Closer To God, and for that I apologize. He is, in fact, credited on the Memorabilia remix. My biggest concern was that Bucketheader was using his power to assert control over what was deemed valid. He was so quick to threaten a ban and remove my editing privileges - even going as far as to say I provided no reliable source. It seemed erratic and motivated by a particular bias. VR2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.156.210.246 ([[User talk:{[[User:69.156.210.246}|69.156.210.246}]] ([[User talk:69.156.210.246}|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/69.156.210.246}|contribs]] · [ https://tools.wmflabs.org/whois/gateway.py?lookup=true&ip=69.156.210.246}
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What is the best way of resolving this issue? Obviously, Bucketheader and I stand firmly on opposite sides of the spectrum. Since AllMusicGuide and Discog.com are not considered to be 100% reliable, I think the best means of achieving impartiality is to remove the discography section since it is so heavily contested. Until verified information can be presented as a valid source, we should bow out of this argument and remove what could potentially ignite another dispute. If the discography section is removed as an amicable gesture, I will certainly refrain from reverting entries. What do you think? VR2007 —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
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talk •
contribs) 20:47:20, August 19, 2007 (UTC).
See how it refers to Robin Finck as "Group Member" beside The Downward Spiral? It's because he was only a touring member of the band, which is why they also refer to him as "Group Member" next to Guns N' Roses. It's only on Ghosts of Mars that he is credited for "Guitar" - which is, in fact, one of the only 100% verifiable releases that feature Robin Finck as a contributor. The "Recreation" credit next to Further Down The Spiral also leads me to believe they're referring to live performances. However, it doesn't seem sufficient since it's missing what you've already mentioned. VR2007 21:02, 19 August 2007 (UTC)VR2007 19 August 2007
Interesting. Hours before he posted the above information, Bucketheader left the following message on my talk page:
"Regarding Finck's discography, you haven't provided a reliable source to show he isn't credited on those NIN albums. The NIN wiki can be edited by anyone, therefore isn't a reliable source."
First he claimed the NIN wiki page was not reliable since it could be edited by anyone, but now he's using it as a source to argue his point. Do you not see the obvious contradiction? VR2007 21:50, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Why did you alter the edit I made? violet/riga already made it clear that AllMusicGuide is not truly reliable. Until one can be found, the discography should not be posted. There are too many conflicting sources that make it impossible to formulate a non-biased account of Finck's creative history. VR2007 22:10, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
The guitarist in this picture is not Robin Finck, but Ron Thal, aka Bumblefoot. Try google´s picture search and you´ll see. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.143.98.151 ( talk) 13:30, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
plenty artists appeared in more than one band on the list i.e.
robert plant zeppelin 1 and yardbirds37 dave mustaine metallica 5 and megadeth69 dave grohl nirvana6 and foo fighters72 dave navarro rhcp30 and janes addiction35 ♠♦Д narchistPig♥♣ ( talk) 02:42, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
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Via Google Images I found that the Portugese Wikipedia has a much nicer public domain photo. I don't speak Portugese but it looks like it's tagged for moving to Commons. GNR-interested editors might want to use that pic here or keep an eye on it's pending move to Commons so we can use it... -- kingboyk 12:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
During I Ghosts 1, Finck was playing some sort of woodwind about the size of a recorder for the song. This might be added to the instruments played section if anyone can identify what he played. 98.223.27.212 ( talk) 20:48, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Can we please include his Manson time, he played keyboards (uncredited however both Manson and Finck confirmed he played on Coma White on keybaords also: Finck played on Broken, Fixed, The Downward Spiral, Further Down The Spiral, The Perfect Drug, We're In This Together, The Fragile, Things Falling Apart and also And All That Could Have Been. So here's what Finck played on and thanks to Trent and Lohner, was uncredited for: Wish (Keyboards) Last (Keybaords) Gave Up (Keyboards) Physical (Oh So) (Backing Rhythm) Heresy (mute) (Keyboards) March Of The Pigs (Guitar) Closer (Precursor) (Remixed) Liar (Reptile Demo) (Sound FX) Reptile (Sound FX) The Art Of Self Destuction (Synth) The Downward Spiral (The Bottom) (Synth) March of The F**kheads (Guitar) Memorobilia (Voices, other) 10 Miles High (Backing Vocals) The Perfect Drug (perfect mix) (Backing Vocals) We're In This Together (Synth) Starf**kers (All About You Remix) (Guitar Overdub) and uncredited for I'm Afraid Of Americans.
His first show was in 1993 as a backing keyboardist, was a trial and then he re-joined full time in 1994.
Right, I believe the following to be correct:
One place I usually trust is NINwiki, and this backs up these assertions. violet/riga (t) 19:56, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Bucketheader 20:02, 19 August 2007 (UTC) The following links contradict all of your information, however: http://www.discogs.com/release/4404 http://www.discogs.com/release/3528 http://www.discogs.com/release/4403 Bucketheader also wrote: "you haven't provided a reliable source to show he isn't credited on those NIN albums." Actually, these credits were taken directly from each albums liner notes. There is no reason why my posts should be degraded and referred to as "vandalism" when I am merely trying to post factual data with supported links. VR2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by VR2007 ( talk • contribs) 20:06:53, August 19, 2007 (UTC).
Wikipedia guidlines are to source information, this has been done, and it has been done with a reliable source. If you revert the edits again you will get a warning on your talk page, if you do it again you will be blocked. If you want to prove these sources wrong scan images of the credits in the CD booklets and show them to us and we will delete the sources. Skeeker [ Talk 20:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Violet/riga: I'm willing to concede your information is correct. However, being a member of a band and touring with a band does not mean a musician is credited as a songwriter. Robin Finck was just a part of Nine Inch Nail's live touring ensemble, which is why I left And All That Could Have Been under his discography. It's widely known that Reznor (along with producers and engineers) wrote almost all of Nine Inch Nail's material dating back to the very albums in question. No one is denying that Finck was a member of the band. I am merely contending that he did not contribute to The Downward Spiral or Further Down The Spiral. I was partially incorrect for asserting that he made no contributions on Closer To God, and for that I apologize. He is, in fact, credited on the Memorabilia remix. My biggest concern was that Bucketheader was using his power to assert control over what was deemed valid. He was so quick to threaten a ban and remove my editing privileges - even going as far as to say I provided no reliable source. It seemed erratic and motivated by a particular bias. VR2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.156.210.246 ([[User talk:{[[User:69.156.210.246}|69.156.210.246}]] ([[User talk:69.156.210.246}|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/69.156.210.246}|contribs]] · [ https://tools.wmflabs.org/whois/gateway.py?lookup=true&ip=69.156.210.246}
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What is the best way of resolving this issue? Obviously, Bucketheader and I stand firmly on opposite sides of the spectrum. Since AllMusicGuide and Discog.com are not considered to be 100% reliable, I think the best means of achieving impartiality is to remove the discography section since it is so heavily contested. Until verified information can be presented as a valid source, we should bow out of this argument and remove what could potentially ignite another dispute. If the discography section is removed as an amicable gesture, I will certainly refrain from reverting entries. What do you think? VR2007 —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
VR2007 (
talk •
contribs) 20:47:20, August 19, 2007 (UTC).
See how it refers to Robin Finck as "Group Member" beside The Downward Spiral? It's because he was only a touring member of the band, which is why they also refer to him as "Group Member" next to Guns N' Roses. It's only on Ghosts of Mars that he is credited for "Guitar" - which is, in fact, one of the only 100% verifiable releases that feature Robin Finck as a contributor. The "Recreation" credit next to Further Down The Spiral also leads me to believe they're referring to live performances. However, it doesn't seem sufficient since it's missing what you've already mentioned. VR2007 21:02, 19 August 2007 (UTC)VR2007 19 August 2007
Interesting. Hours before he posted the above information, Bucketheader left the following message on my talk page:
"Regarding Finck's discography, you haven't provided a reliable source to show he isn't credited on those NIN albums. The NIN wiki can be edited by anyone, therefore isn't a reliable source."
First he claimed the NIN wiki page was not reliable since it could be edited by anyone, but now he's using it as a source to argue his point. Do you not see the obvious contradiction? VR2007 21:50, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Why did you alter the edit I made? violet/riga already made it clear that AllMusicGuide is not truly reliable. Until one can be found, the discography should not be posted. There are too many conflicting sources that make it impossible to formulate a non-biased account of Finck's creative history. VR2007 22:10, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
The guitarist in this picture is not Robin Finck, but Ron Thal, aka Bumblefoot. Try google´s picture search and you´ll see. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.143.98.151 ( talk) 13:30, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
plenty artists appeared in more than one band on the list i.e.
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