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Remember this article stating that he was Atheist??And now it says he's Roman Catholic? So should we place him into Converts to Roman Catholicism?? unsigned
His myspace lists his Religion as "Other." Ash Loomis —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ash Loomis ( talk • contribs) 18:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
UPDATE: I removed him from the English Roman Catholics and English Atheists list, since it's an oxymoron and no one seems to be able to find ant conclusive proof that he's either one. Ash Loomis( talk
On the cure website there is a link to the brights. A bright is a person who has a naturalistic worldview free of supernatural and mystical elements and whose ethics and actions are based on a naturalistic worldview. link: http://www.the-brights.net/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.117.38.48 ( talk) 07:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
http://www.musicfanclubs.org/cure/press/I80.html Looks like he's an atheist. Ash Loomis ( talk) 01:35, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Why did he deny being goth? He's failed me. I have no more faith in him...erg...He's now teaming up with Ashlee Simpson-brained...No longer can I stand him...
Because Goth did not exist in the 80's .. Goth is a new term for something old. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2002:D5DB:996E:0:223:32FF:FE9E:A326 ( talk) 21:12, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
This article has some serious NPOV issues. I'll tackle them when I get a free moment or twelve. Also, a lot of it is more about The Cure than about RS.
Discrepancy: RS's DOB here is listed as in 59, but in this 2000 article (already cited for the this page)
http://www.nyrock.com/interviews/2000/cure.htm he is quoted as saying: "ROBERT:
We owed our record company one album and now we fulfilled our contract. I promised myself that when I got to 40 I would do something new. I'm almost 40 now and it seems like a good time to start something new."
If he was born in 59, he would have already turned 40, in 1999. Something's amiss.
Robert Smith's birthday is indeed in 1959, as verified in the official biography "Ten Imaginary Years" ( Robert's bio page scanned from "Ten Imaginary Years" with birthdate given as 4/21/59, link to which was at the bottom of the main article in the "External Links" section), as well as IMDB. A possible reason for the discrepancy is that often interviews are conducted months before they are printed, and when the interview was done, it was before April of '99, and he was therefore still 39 years old. Also, Robert Smith, by his own admission, loves to wind reporters up and tell "stories", which is also discussed in "Ten Imaginary Years".
"His hair is legendary" is questionable for inclusion in this article as not only is it kind of trivial but is not detailed enough, as it neglects the period c.1988 when he cut his hair for just the reason of statements such as these. -- Daniel C. Boyer In addition, film director Richard Burton has similar hair, as does one of his film character's, Edward Scissorhands.
robert smith came before the edward scissor hands movie, its been rumoured that scissorhands was partially inspired by smith Farquad92 19:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
This discography is basically just the Cure's. It could be made more complete (e.g. blue sunshine, blink 182 self-titled, the relevant siouxie albums, the albums he's recently produced) or simply dropped. Jon Dowland 17:13, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've rved an edit which contained the following sentence only:
I did this because it was tacked onto the end of the para regarding John Peel. The page should be kept in some kind of chronological order. According to List_of_South_Park_episodes#Season_1:_1997-1998, that south park episode was aired in February 18, 1998, so this sentence belongs before the Peel one (and perhaps others).
I haven't stuck the sentence back into the article as I think it could also be expressed better (E.g. Barbara spelt correctly)
-- Jon Dowland 15:43, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Why is the no mention of the COGASM song "Sign from God" that he wrote for the Trey Parker movie "Orgasmo"? It's on the soundtrack and it's obvious it's him. —Preceding
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Really?!?! I remember back in the 80s he says "If Morrissey says to not eat meat, I'm gonna eat meat because I hate Morrissey!" Could someone please give a source to his vegetarianism, thanks.
Not sure how much we can read into that quote, all of the Smiths hate Morrisey.
Well, here's an interview from 1984 where (a third of the way down) he says he hasn't eaten red meat for a year: http://www.musicfanclubs.org/cure/press/I28.html Other than that much, there's not much else that my web searches reveal, so either he's changed his mind or just doesn't talk about it much. -- Stuart mcmillen 15:08, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Rumor? -- Psycho78m 23:00, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
His song Love Song is well known to have been written for his wife. To paraphrase Hugh Grant, All english men are a little gay.
Robert Smith is not gay, although he doesn't appear to be homophobic. On the contrary, he has been supportive of gay rights. For instance, he organized an Easy Cure concert as a benefit for a gay schoolteacher who was fired.
Since nobody else seems to be reading these pages I updated it myself. The man has been married since 1988 and there are plenty of references for it. He's made no secret of being married and Mary appears in music videos with him. It's ridiculous it's not mentioned on his bio. I have no idea how to make the references look like the others in the article, but I did add five or six reputable sources for both the marriage and the childfree status. Perhaps an editor here can format them or whatever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.116.14.35 ( talk) 19:32, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
I would have to say the recently uploaded picture looks strange to me. I wouldn't call it a characteristic picture of RS from his heyday or from now. May I suggest a change? Folkor 06:22, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
This page needs a clean up as it has currently looks like a Cure fans bedroom wall. I think it only needs one picture, if any.
WhizzBang 08:11, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I think a picture of Robert before his signature look would be nice in addition to a picture of the modern Smith. Something from the Seventeen Seconds era, perhaps.
I removed the statement and Category regarding Clinical Depression.
There is no basis in fact in the Article. No reference to when and by whom this diagnosis was made.
yeah!! do a better picture please! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.169.23.66 ( talk) 00:03, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
I added his cowriter/vocalist collab with JunkieXL for "Perfect Blue Sky."
I suggest changing the classification of the Blank and Jones version of "A Forest" from a "remix" to a "cover." While the distinction between the two is often blurred these days, "A Forest" is an entirely new recording by B&J featuring new vox by Smith. Since it contains no parts from the original recording, it's probably better termed a "cover." -- Nulldevice 19:24, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Robert Smith is the vocalist in "Not in Love" by Crystal Castles, EP by Fiction Records Dec 6, 2010. This info is already on the Crystal Castles page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.138.138.70 ( talk) 18:31, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
as far as i know robert has never been credited with playing drums or horns of any sort and i have all there albums. Curefreak 11:04, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
spirtuality? it says he has written many songs about "spirituality", especially in the aptly-titled album Faith. robert smith is an avowed aethist his songs about "faith" usually come from a questioning or antagonistic viewpoint in my opinion. so saying hes written songs about "spirituality" would lead non informed people to think that they are a christian rock band especially with a name like "the cure" or expose that viewpoint in some of there lyrics wich is very far from the truth. i want to edit that but im not sure what i should say or put in there to correct it if someone can offer me some advice on how to change it i would love it cause its really bugging me :\ Curefreak 11:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
isnt there a better or more recent picture to be used? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Farquad92 ( talk • contribs) 17:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC).
It is not about death! omg i had to fix that! its about heartbreak.
"yesterday i got so scared i shivered like a child yesterday away from you it froze me deep inside come back come back don't walk away come back come back come back today come back come back why can't you see? come back come back come back to me
and i know i was wrong when i said it was true that it couldn't be me and be her inbetween without you without you"
Point made ( SexyLui 00:38, 16 June 2007 (UTC))
Why is there mention of the Ashlee Simpson collaboration rumor in this article? Its inclusion in the Collaborations section is misleading and irrelevant. Zwanzig 22:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
..."The Walk" although he has admitted he was trying to emulate New Order's hit record of the time; Blue Monday, but it became "The Walk".
Where is the source for this alleged admission? I don't recall ever having seen Robert Smith admit to emulating "Blue Monday"; rather, to my best recollection I have seen articles where the similarities between the two songs have been labeled purely coincidental by both parties (New Order and The Cure). I'd like to see this statement either sourced or removed. Thoughts?
P.S. Whether it goes or stays, I'd say this statement could use some grammar cleanup. :)
P.P.S. I'd do it myself, but I'm a Wiki-noob and am still learning the protocol. :)
Zwanzig 22:29, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Actually, he has gone on record more than once with his stated influence for "The Walk" - and it wasn't New Order, but Japan (hence Steve Nye being the producer of choice for it.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.138.236.178 ( talk) 02:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
It’s possible that the OP was thinking of “Primary” being a tribute to Joy Division’s sound, which is indeed an established fact, but at the moment I’m too lazy to track down the source of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.84.183 ( talk) 20:48, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Why, when I type in "Fat Bob" in the search panel, am I redirected to this page? Is it a known nickname of his? If so, shouldn't it be mentioned in the text? 86.133.247.48 ( talk) 22:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
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Changed the section 'Stage persona and image' adding Smith not liking the 'Goth' label. I added a link to the quote. I also added 'unwittingly' in front of 'popularize the "goth" style of dress'. Smith had no idea he was starting or 'popularizing' some kind of movement. Also if he finds the label 'pitiful' I would think he wasn't wanting to be a part of it. In my opinion...like it or not...he is a part of goth.-- Mickeyp2814 ( talk) 20:19, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
As soon as you're able to find a reference supporting Robert Smith being married, can you find out if he has any children if it's not asking too much? Mr. Brain ( talk) 04:53, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
There are plenty of references for Smith being married, and childfree as well. For starters:
The Independent, 2008: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/robert-smith--what-becomes-of-the-brokenhearted-997591.html "...Smith has been happily married to his childhood sweetheart for some three decades now..."
Blender magazine, 2004 http://www.blender.com/guide/67574/dear-superstar-robert-smith.html : "You’ve known your wife, Mary, for 30 years. Did you ever want to bring little Bob Smiths into the world?
A: We decided at a very young age that we wouldn’t have children. My natural urge to be a father is actually not that great, but I do have 25 nephews and nieces, and I really revel in being an uncle. I can take them out or have them over for the weekend and be able to send them back. Being a child myself, I kind of know what the two of us have missed, but I think it is more than compensated for by being able to still be the same to her as when we first met. We have absolutely nothing to stop us from saying, “Let’s go away for three months,” and just walking out the door."
The Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2004/jun/12/popandrock1 "...Later on, talking about his wife, Mary..."
Wedding news clip with photos of the wedding, Smash Hits 1988: http://www.picturesofyou.us/88/88-starhits-holiday88-weddingparty.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.116.14.35 ( talk) 05:10, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
does he not play cello as well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.78.44.231 ( talk) 08:23, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Live he has also been seen playing the violin, harmonica and flute, if not more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.208.37.182 ( talk) 00:51, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
I don't know for sure that he plays cello although I think he has mimed cello in a clip for The Glove on the Siouxsie episode of "Play At Home". Strings on the Glove album Blue Sunshine were actually performed by members of The Venomettes; Martin McCarrick played the cello. However, he does play violin on "The Caterpillar", harmonica on several songs ("Subway Song", "Splintered In Her Head" and others), flutes (on "Lament", some songs on "The Top" I believe, possibly also "Snakepit" on Kiss Me (x3) although I'm not sure on that latter point), piano (on lots of stuff), sitar (on Siouxsie's Hyaena album), bass (he played all bass on "The Top" album, as Phil Thornalley was unavailable), drums (on demo recordings and in live situations). I may be mistaken but I think he played an actual Koto on "Kyoto Song" from The Head on the Door, but for live performances this was substituted for a synthesised koto played on keyboard by Lol Tolhurst. Te Irirangi ( talk) 20:54, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
I've started making some edits to this article, which I'll make on an incremental basis so that they can be easily reverted if any issues should arise. I'll post about each edit as I go. I'm a fairly irregular contributor to Wikipedia, so would naturally welcome any feedback, comments, criticism and/or debate from more experienced users who might like to help improve my contributions.
1. The first edit I've made is to the "Early years and personal life" section, which had some issues with "citations needed". In the process of adding the needed citations concerning Smith's early childhood and education, I also expanded and restructured some parts of the first paragraph. However, I have tried to retain the pre-existing information so that it does not conflict with others' contributions, and instead (hopefully) enhance them.
2. I also encountered an "edit conflict" while editing the final sentence of this section - another user (not logged in) changed the sentence commencing "Smith now resides in Aldwick..." to say that he and wife Mary now reside in London. The pre-existing reference to Aldwick had already been marked as needing a citation, which I added, whereas the conflicting edit to "London" also contained no citation. I changed this back to "Aldwick, West Sussex" and again provided the citation. As of August 2012, Mr. Smith had told Italian magazine "XL" that he and Mary reside in Aldwick.
3. In my next edit, unless presented with a good reason not to, I will remove the sentence commencing with "He was an accomplished student who attained high marks...". This is marked as needing citation, but the statement is at conflict with the available reliable sources. Smith was in fact expelled from St. Wilfrid's, but was allowed back to complete his "O" Levels and "A" Levels. If memory serves, I understand that he did achieve high marks in English and perhaps one or two other subjects, but was otherwise not a particularly distinguished student, in the orthodox sense. I hope to replace the existing sentence to reflect that, provided I can source the needed citations. Te Irirangi ( talk) 09:04, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
4. I have deleted the unsubstantiated remarks about Smith being an accomplished student, and am about to replace them. -- Te Irirangi ( talk) 12:37, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
5. I've added three new sub-sections under Early years and personal life (which I changed to Early years and family life to reflect the changes). The new sections are Early musical influences, School bands: 1972-1976, and Academic record.
The sections on Smith's early influences and academic record were added to replace un-referenced statements in the pre-existing article, whereas the School bands section simply flowed on as a consequence of those two sections.
However, I'm concerned that these new sections are disproportionately long, particularly the Early musical influences section, and that they read more like a narrative history/biography than an encyclopaedic article. If any editors or more experienced wikipedians can suggest any edits that would retain the salient points and relevant citations then by all means please feel free to slash and burn (or at least trim the fat).
I had also intended to do changes on an incremental basis so that it would not be difficult to revert small pieces, but then I forgot, and added quite a large edit all in one. Sorry. However, I've saved everything in wordpad in case any large reverts and rewrites are called for.
I'm also not sure if some of the material might constitute "original research", e.g. where it is noted in places that band biographer Jeff Apter has misquoted or contradicted his primary source material in the book Never Enough.
Any feedback or suggestions etc would be gratefully received, cheers. -- Te Irirangi ( talk) 02:53, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
I did a big overhaul, as previously discussed on this page, so as to expand the whole article on Robert Smith's career down to the present day and make it more balanced (previously it focused on his formative years and early career). This has also involved restructuring some sections, including edits to my previous contributions to improve my citations/references etc. I have also restructured the sections previously headed "Guest appearances", "Collaborations" and "Cultural references". The reason I edited these was because there was no distinction between guest appearances on TV shows and guest appearances in a musical context, and they were increasingly beginning to overlap. Guest appearances on TV also tended to overlap somewhat with "Cultural references" (for instance, Smith is both parodied in the Mary Whitehouse Experience but also makes a guest appearance on the show; and the South Park episode in which Smith voices his own cartoon caricature arguably also qualifies as a mix of "Cultural reference" and guest appearance), so I re-organised these three sections into two: "Musical projects outside The Cure" (which includes both musical collaborations and guest appearances), and "Pop culture: references, portrayals and appearances" (which includes both "cultural references" in TV, film, literature etc, and cameo/guest appearances on TV shows). The "Role in The Cure" section is possibly too detailed, and also unfinished (it tends to stop dead immediately after 1984's "The Top"). I was part way through putting that section together, and noticed a lot of finnickity edit wars over minor points, so figured I'd post my contributions now in the hopes of creating something more substantive for us to collaborate on editing together. Te Irirangi ( talk) 20:39, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. There's no support here for this proposal. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 14:12, 28 February 2013 (UTC) Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 14:12, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
– Robert Smith of The Cure is by far the most well-known Robert Smith, and I'd wager more people are going to be looking for the article on him than a disambiguation page. The only explicit evidence I can give, if it is really required, are that Robert's page has had 26 edits in the past 30 days, as opposed to 6 for the disambiguation page (done by clicking 'Page information' under 'Toolbox' in the left-hand banner.) Lachlan Foley ( talk) 04:05, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
21 April 1959 is most reliable DOB, see MTV 1997, EW 2009. Less reliable are the NNDB and IMdB entries. Also per Ten Imaginary Years as mentioned in above. Dl2000 ( talk) 14:53, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Someone put him in a voice actor category. What roles has he voice-acted? Ranze ( talk) 11:00, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) — Amakuru ( talk) 13:00, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Robert Smith (musician) →
Robert James Smith – per
Robert_Smith#Music we have so many other Robert Smiths who are musicians. Simply using his middle name is easier to type and it saves on space. James is 6 characters while (musician) is 10.
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This article should include more info on these two albums in Smith's music career section, especially the latter, given that it's one of The Cure's most praised albums yet (if not, the most), and is a featured article here on Wikipedia. Josharaujo1115 ( talk) 02:56, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
Not enough pictures in this article. Many of us would like to see how he looked when he started out in his first band at the age of 14, together with his brother Richard, younger sister Janet, and some of his friends. I would like to see that picture as well as a separate picture of Robert Smith at age 14. That would set the stage as a starting point of his career. I wish somebody would go out and retrieve these pictures and include them in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.140.162.81 ( talk) 02:02, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
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Remember this article stating that he was Atheist??And now it says he's Roman Catholic? So should we place him into Converts to Roman Catholicism?? unsigned
His myspace lists his Religion as "Other." Ash Loomis —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ash Loomis ( talk • contribs) 18:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
UPDATE: I removed him from the English Roman Catholics and English Atheists list, since it's an oxymoron and no one seems to be able to find ant conclusive proof that he's either one. Ash Loomis( talk
On the cure website there is a link to the brights. A bright is a person who has a naturalistic worldview free of supernatural and mystical elements and whose ethics and actions are based on a naturalistic worldview. link: http://www.the-brights.net/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.117.38.48 ( talk) 07:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
http://www.musicfanclubs.org/cure/press/I80.html Looks like he's an atheist. Ash Loomis ( talk) 01:35, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Why did he deny being goth? He's failed me. I have no more faith in him...erg...He's now teaming up with Ashlee Simpson-brained...No longer can I stand him...
Because Goth did not exist in the 80's .. Goth is a new term for something old. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2002:D5DB:996E:0:223:32FF:FE9E:A326 ( talk) 21:12, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
This article has some serious NPOV issues. I'll tackle them when I get a free moment or twelve. Also, a lot of it is more about The Cure than about RS.
Discrepancy: RS's DOB here is listed as in 59, but in this 2000 article (already cited for the this page)
http://www.nyrock.com/interviews/2000/cure.htm he is quoted as saying: "ROBERT:
We owed our record company one album and now we fulfilled our contract. I promised myself that when I got to 40 I would do something new. I'm almost 40 now and it seems like a good time to start something new."
If he was born in 59, he would have already turned 40, in 1999. Something's amiss.
Robert Smith's birthday is indeed in 1959, as verified in the official biography "Ten Imaginary Years" ( Robert's bio page scanned from "Ten Imaginary Years" with birthdate given as 4/21/59, link to which was at the bottom of the main article in the "External Links" section), as well as IMDB. A possible reason for the discrepancy is that often interviews are conducted months before they are printed, and when the interview was done, it was before April of '99, and he was therefore still 39 years old. Also, Robert Smith, by his own admission, loves to wind reporters up and tell "stories", which is also discussed in "Ten Imaginary Years".
"His hair is legendary" is questionable for inclusion in this article as not only is it kind of trivial but is not detailed enough, as it neglects the period c.1988 when he cut his hair for just the reason of statements such as these. -- Daniel C. Boyer In addition, film director Richard Burton has similar hair, as does one of his film character's, Edward Scissorhands.
robert smith came before the edward scissor hands movie, its been rumoured that scissorhands was partially inspired by smith Farquad92 19:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
This discography is basically just the Cure's. It could be made more complete (e.g. blue sunshine, blink 182 self-titled, the relevant siouxie albums, the albums he's recently produced) or simply dropped. Jon Dowland 17:13, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've rved an edit which contained the following sentence only:
I did this because it was tacked onto the end of the para regarding John Peel. The page should be kept in some kind of chronological order. According to List_of_South_Park_episodes#Season_1:_1997-1998, that south park episode was aired in February 18, 1998, so this sentence belongs before the Peel one (and perhaps others).
I haven't stuck the sentence back into the article as I think it could also be expressed better (E.g. Barbara spelt correctly)
-- Jon Dowland 15:43, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Why is the no mention of the COGASM song "Sign from God" that he wrote for the Trey Parker movie "Orgasmo"? It's on the soundtrack and it's obvious it's him. —Preceding
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Really?!?! I remember back in the 80s he says "If Morrissey says to not eat meat, I'm gonna eat meat because I hate Morrissey!" Could someone please give a source to his vegetarianism, thanks.
Not sure how much we can read into that quote, all of the Smiths hate Morrisey.
Well, here's an interview from 1984 where (a third of the way down) he says he hasn't eaten red meat for a year: http://www.musicfanclubs.org/cure/press/I28.html Other than that much, there's not much else that my web searches reveal, so either he's changed his mind or just doesn't talk about it much. -- Stuart mcmillen 15:08, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Rumor? -- Psycho78m 23:00, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
His song Love Song is well known to have been written for his wife. To paraphrase Hugh Grant, All english men are a little gay.
Robert Smith is not gay, although he doesn't appear to be homophobic. On the contrary, he has been supportive of gay rights. For instance, he organized an Easy Cure concert as a benefit for a gay schoolteacher who was fired.
Since nobody else seems to be reading these pages I updated it myself. The man has been married since 1988 and there are plenty of references for it. He's made no secret of being married and Mary appears in music videos with him. It's ridiculous it's not mentioned on his bio. I have no idea how to make the references look like the others in the article, but I did add five or six reputable sources for both the marriage and the childfree status. Perhaps an editor here can format them or whatever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.116.14.35 ( talk) 19:32, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
I would have to say the recently uploaded picture looks strange to me. I wouldn't call it a characteristic picture of RS from his heyday or from now. May I suggest a change? Folkor 06:22, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
This page needs a clean up as it has currently looks like a Cure fans bedroom wall. I think it only needs one picture, if any.
WhizzBang 08:11, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I think a picture of Robert before his signature look would be nice in addition to a picture of the modern Smith. Something from the Seventeen Seconds era, perhaps.
I removed the statement and Category regarding Clinical Depression.
There is no basis in fact in the Article. No reference to when and by whom this diagnosis was made.
yeah!! do a better picture please! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.169.23.66 ( talk) 00:03, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
I added his cowriter/vocalist collab with JunkieXL for "Perfect Blue Sky."
I suggest changing the classification of the Blank and Jones version of "A Forest" from a "remix" to a "cover." While the distinction between the two is often blurred these days, "A Forest" is an entirely new recording by B&J featuring new vox by Smith. Since it contains no parts from the original recording, it's probably better termed a "cover." -- Nulldevice 19:24, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Robert Smith is the vocalist in "Not in Love" by Crystal Castles, EP by Fiction Records Dec 6, 2010. This info is already on the Crystal Castles page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.138.138.70 ( talk) 18:31, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
as far as i know robert has never been credited with playing drums or horns of any sort and i have all there albums. Curefreak 11:04, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
spirtuality? it says he has written many songs about "spirituality", especially in the aptly-titled album Faith. robert smith is an avowed aethist his songs about "faith" usually come from a questioning or antagonistic viewpoint in my opinion. so saying hes written songs about "spirituality" would lead non informed people to think that they are a christian rock band especially with a name like "the cure" or expose that viewpoint in some of there lyrics wich is very far from the truth. i want to edit that but im not sure what i should say or put in there to correct it if someone can offer me some advice on how to change it i would love it cause its really bugging me :\ Curefreak 11:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
isnt there a better or more recent picture to be used? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Farquad92 ( talk • contribs) 17:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC).
It is not about death! omg i had to fix that! its about heartbreak.
"yesterday i got so scared i shivered like a child yesterday away from you it froze me deep inside come back come back don't walk away come back come back come back today come back come back why can't you see? come back come back come back to me
and i know i was wrong when i said it was true that it couldn't be me and be her inbetween without you without you"
Point made ( SexyLui 00:38, 16 June 2007 (UTC))
Why is there mention of the Ashlee Simpson collaboration rumor in this article? Its inclusion in the Collaborations section is misleading and irrelevant. Zwanzig 22:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
..."The Walk" although he has admitted he was trying to emulate New Order's hit record of the time; Blue Monday, but it became "The Walk".
Where is the source for this alleged admission? I don't recall ever having seen Robert Smith admit to emulating "Blue Monday"; rather, to my best recollection I have seen articles where the similarities between the two songs have been labeled purely coincidental by both parties (New Order and The Cure). I'd like to see this statement either sourced or removed. Thoughts?
P.S. Whether it goes or stays, I'd say this statement could use some grammar cleanup. :)
P.P.S. I'd do it myself, but I'm a Wiki-noob and am still learning the protocol. :)
Zwanzig 22:29, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Actually, he has gone on record more than once with his stated influence for "The Walk" - and it wasn't New Order, but Japan (hence Steve Nye being the producer of choice for it.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.138.236.178 ( talk) 02:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
It’s possible that the OP was thinking of “Primary” being a tribute to Joy Division’s sound, which is indeed an established fact, but at the moment I’m too lazy to track down the source of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.84.183 ( talk) 20:48, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Why, when I type in "Fat Bob" in the search panel, am I redirected to this page? Is it a known nickname of his? If so, shouldn't it be mentioned in the text? 86.133.247.48 ( talk) 22:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
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Changed the section 'Stage persona and image' adding Smith not liking the 'Goth' label. I added a link to the quote. I also added 'unwittingly' in front of 'popularize the "goth" style of dress'. Smith had no idea he was starting or 'popularizing' some kind of movement. Also if he finds the label 'pitiful' I would think he wasn't wanting to be a part of it. In my opinion...like it or not...he is a part of goth.-- Mickeyp2814 ( talk) 20:19, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
As soon as you're able to find a reference supporting Robert Smith being married, can you find out if he has any children if it's not asking too much? Mr. Brain ( talk) 04:53, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
There are plenty of references for Smith being married, and childfree as well. For starters:
The Independent, 2008: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/robert-smith--what-becomes-of-the-brokenhearted-997591.html "...Smith has been happily married to his childhood sweetheart for some three decades now..."
Blender magazine, 2004 http://www.blender.com/guide/67574/dear-superstar-robert-smith.html : "You’ve known your wife, Mary, for 30 years. Did you ever want to bring little Bob Smiths into the world?
A: We decided at a very young age that we wouldn’t have children. My natural urge to be a father is actually not that great, but I do have 25 nephews and nieces, and I really revel in being an uncle. I can take them out or have them over for the weekend and be able to send them back. Being a child myself, I kind of know what the two of us have missed, but I think it is more than compensated for by being able to still be the same to her as when we first met. We have absolutely nothing to stop us from saying, “Let’s go away for three months,” and just walking out the door."
The Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2004/jun/12/popandrock1 "...Later on, talking about his wife, Mary..."
Wedding news clip with photos of the wedding, Smash Hits 1988: http://www.picturesofyou.us/88/88-starhits-holiday88-weddingparty.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.116.14.35 ( talk) 05:10, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
does he not play cello as well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.78.44.231 ( talk) 08:23, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Live he has also been seen playing the violin, harmonica and flute, if not more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.208.37.182 ( talk) 00:51, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
I don't know for sure that he plays cello although I think he has mimed cello in a clip for The Glove on the Siouxsie episode of "Play At Home". Strings on the Glove album Blue Sunshine were actually performed by members of The Venomettes; Martin McCarrick played the cello. However, he does play violin on "The Caterpillar", harmonica on several songs ("Subway Song", "Splintered In Her Head" and others), flutes (on "Lament", some songs on "The Top" I believe, possibly also "Snakepit" on Kiss Me (x3) although I'm not sure on that latter point), piano (on lots of stuff), sitar (on Siouxsie's Hyaena album), bass (he played all bass on "The Top" album, as Phil Thornalley was unavailable), drums (on demo recordings and in live situations). I may be mistaken but I think he played an actual Koto on "Kyoto Song" from The Head on the Door, but for live performances this was substituted for a synthesised koto played on keyboard by Lol Tolhurst. Te Irirangi ( talk) 20:54, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
I've started making some edits to this article, which I'll make on an incremental basis so that they can be easily reverted if any issues should arise. I'll post about each edit as I go. I'm a fairly irregular contributor to Wikipedia, so would naturally welcome any feedback, comments, criticism and/or debate from more experienced users who might like to help improve my contributions.
1. The first edit I've made is to the "Early years and personal life" section, which had some issues with "citations needed". In the process of adding the needed citations concerning Smith's early childhood and education, I also expanded and restructured some parts of the first paragraph. However, I have tried to retain the pre-existing information so that it does not conflict with others' contributions, and instead (hopefully) enhance them.
2. I also encountered an "edit conflict" while editing the final sentence of this section - another user (not logged in) changed the sentence commencing "Smith now resides in Aldwick..." to say that he and wife Mary now reside in London. The pre-existing reference to Aldwick had already been marked as needing a citation, which I added, whereas the conflicting edit to "London" also contained no citation. I changed this back to "Aldwick, West Sussex" and again provided the citation. As of August 2012, Mr. Smith had told Italian magazine "XL" that he and Mary reside in Aldwick.
3. In my next edit, unless presented with a good reason not to, I will remove the sentence commencing with "He was an accomplished student who attained high marks...". This is marked as needing citation, but the statement is at conflict with the available reliable sources. Smith was in fact expelled from St. Wilfrid's, but was allowed back to complete his "O" Levels and "A" Levels. If memory serves, I understand that he did achieve high marks in English and perhaps one or two other subjects, but was otherwise not a particularly distinguished student, in the orthodox sense. I hope to replace the existing sentence to reflect that, provided I can source the needed citations. Te Irirangi ( talk) 09:04, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
4. I have deleted the unsubstantiated remarks about Smith being an accomplished student, and am about to replace them. -- Te Irirangi ( talk) 12:37, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
5. I've added three new sub-sections under Early years and personal life (which I changed to Early years and family life to reflect the changes). The new sections are Early musical influences, School bands: 1972-1976, and Academic record.
The sections on Smith's early influences and academic record were added to replace un-referenced statements in the pre-existing article, whereas the School bands section simply flowed on as a consequence of those two sections.
However, I'm concerned that these new sections are disproportionately long, particularly the Early musical influences section, and that they read more like a narrative history/biography than an encyclopaedic article. If any editors or more experienced wikipedians can suggest any edits that would retain the salient points and relevant citations then by all means please feel free to slash and burn (or at least trim the fat).
I had also intended to do changes on an incremental basis so that it would not be difficult to revert small pieces, but then I forgot, and added quite a large edit all in one. Sorry. However, I've saved everything in wordpad in case any large reverts and rewrites are called for.
I'm also not sure if some of the material might constitute "original research", e.g. where it is noted in places that band biographer Jeff Apter has misquoted or contradicted his primary source material in the book Never Enough.
Any feedback or suggestions etc would be gratefully received, cheers. -- Te Irirangi ( talk) 02:53, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
I did a big overhaul, as previously discussed on this page, so as to expand the whole article on Robert Smith's career down to the present day and make it more balanced (previously it focused on his formative years and early career). This has also involved restructuring some sections, including edits to my previous contributions to improve my citations/references etc. I have also restructured the sections previously headed "Guest appearances", "Collaborations" and "Cultural references". The reason I edited these was because there was no distinction between guest appearances on TV shows and guest appearances in a musical context, and they were increasingly beginning to overlap. Guest appearances on TV also tended to overlap somewhat with "Cultural references" (for instance, Smith is both parodied in the Mary Whitehouse Experience but also makes a guest appearance on the show; and the South Park episode in which Smith voices his own cartoon caricature arguably also qualifies as a mix of "Cultural reference" and guest appearance), so I re-organised these three sections into two: "Musical projects outside The Cure" (which includes both musical collaborations and guest appearances), and "Pop culture: references, portrayals and appearances" (which includes both "cultural references" in TV, film, literature etc, and cameo/guest appearances on TV shows). The "Role in The Cure" section is possibly too detailed, and also unfinished (it tends to stop dead immediately after 1984's "The Top"). I was part way through putting that section together, and noticed a lot of finnickity edit wars over minor points, so figured I'd post my contributions now in the hopes of creating something more substantive for us to collaborate on editing together. Te Irirangi ( talk) 20:39, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. There's no support here for this proposal. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 14:12, 28 February 2013 (UTC) Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 14:12, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
– Robert Smith of The Cure is by far the most well-known Robert Smith, and I'd wager more people are going to be looking for the article on him than a disambiguation page. The only explicit evidence I can give, if it is really required, are that Robert's page has had 26 edits in the past 30 days, as opposed to 6 for the disambiguation page (done by clicking 'Page information' under 'Toolbox' in the left-hand banner.) Lachlan Foley ( talk) 04:05, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
21 April 1959 is most reliable DOB, see MTV 1997, EW 2009. Less reliable are the NNDB and IMdB entries. Also per Ten Imaginary Years as mentioned in above. Dl2000 ( talk) 14:53, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Someone put him in a voice actor category. What roles has he voice-acted? Ranze ( talk) 11:00, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) — Amakuru ( talk) 13:00, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Robert Smith (musician) →
Robert James Smith – per
Robert_Smith#Music we have so many other Robert Smiths who are musicians. Simply using his middle name is easier to type and it saves on space. James is 6 characters while (musician) is 10.
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This article should include more info on these two albums in Smith's music career section, especially the latter, given that it's one of The Cure's most praised albums yet (if not, the most), and is a featured article here on Wikipedia. Josharaujo1115 ( talk) 02:56, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
Not enough pictures in this article. Many of us would like to see how he looked when he started out in his first band at the age of 14, together with his brother Richard, younger sister Janet, and some of his friends. I would like to see that picture as well as a separate picture of Robert Smith at age 14. That would set the stage as a starting point of his career. I wish somebody would go out and retrieve these pictures and include them in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.140.162.81 ( talk) 02:02, 21 March 2022 (UTC)