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The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of
higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions.
The person has held a
distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research, a
named chair appointment that indicates a comparable level of achievement, or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon.
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The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies. (July 2024)
This article contains text that is written in a promotional tone. (July 2024)
Responses:
Notability Criteria:
1. According to ResearchGate, Schleip's work of 193 Publications has garnered over 181,676 Reads and 4,487 Academic Citations. [1]
This is probably one avenue but usually a major contributor to an area would have wider
notability such as articles on him in major publications, which I can't see?
2. Received one national level award (2006 - Janda Prize for Musculoskeletal Medicine). "The accolade is given out every two years by the German Society for Manual Medicine (Deutschen Gesellschaft für Manuelle Medizin), the Society of Manual Medicine Physicians (Ärztegesellschaft für Manuelle Medizin) as well as the Physiobörse (Wittlich)"[2]
Don't get the feeling that this is a major academic award.
5. In Germany the highest academic title is 'Professor' or 'University Professor' (
List_of_academic_ranks#Germany), of which Schleip has held at three universities.
If he was made a tenured professor (i.e. a chair that he cannot be fired from), then that is automatic notability per
WP:NPROF; a general professorship does not meet that test I'm afraid.
7. From article: Schleip along with
Dr. Werner Klinger played a leading role in initiating and organizing the first Fascia Research Congress, sponsored by the
National Institute of Health and hosted at
Harvard Medical School, which marked the breakthrough for modern
fascia research.. He has served on the scientific committee for all subsequent congresses (2009, 2012, 2015, 2018, 2022) and chaired the 2018 and 2022 congresses.
Same comments per 1. above.
I'd argue that anyone that is part of setting up a global conference, sponsored by the U.S. government and hosted at the world's most prestigous medical school would classify as 'notable', and chairing two of the conferences says something about his work?
EricAhlqvistScott (
talk)
19:10, 16 July 2024 (UTC)reply
8. Does not apply.
Biography
1. From article:
Science dedicated a two-page appreciative report to this congress and in particular to Schleip titled "Cell Biology Meets Rolfing: From Rolfer to Researcher" referring to Schleip's career shift.
I could only read the first part of the
Science article and he gets a passing mention. The Science article is
WP:SIGCOV for the topic of
Rolfing, which already has a Wikipedia article, but it is not really about him, and he is one of many researchers in the field.
Adding these in here for anyone else with the same issue:
Part 1 &
Part 2 (this is the one mentioning Schleip)
Promotional
I've personally removed any phrases that may exaggerate his expertise.
That is very helpful. The article still does have a
resume feel to it (e.g media appearances etc.), which again is a notability concern when it is hard to get clear
sources to confirm notability (i.e. the Wikipedia BLP becomes the main "plank" of the subject's notability, which is the wrong way around).
Hmm.. there's not much known about his life outside of work so kind of hard to build the article to be more of a story. Open to suggestions here?
I have tried to answer your questions above. I don't think that he is definitely not notable, or I would have tagged it for
WP:AfD, however, I couldn't find the references (or technical things like
WP:NPROF) that would confirm it. Sometimes notability built on
WP:BASIC (or item 1 above and its related items), is harder to prove or dispute. thanks.
Aszx5000 (
talk)
18:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)reply
There's also worth considering that because the discipline itself is new and relatively small. For example if you look at these metrics from one of the papers:
https://badge.dimensions.ai/details/id/pub.1105965300 you'll see that the Field Citation Ratio (The Field Citation Ratio (FCR) indicates the relative citation performance of an article, when compared to similarly-aged articles in its subject area. The FCR is normalized to 1.0 for this selection of articles. An FCR value of more than 1.0 shows that the publication has a higher than average number of citations for its group) is extremely high in it's field with 45x ratio.
EricAhlqvistScott (
talk)
18:53, 16 July 2024 (UTC)reply
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The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of
higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions.
The person has held a
distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research, a
named chair appointment that indicates a comparable level of achievement, or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon.
The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed administrative post at a major academic institution or major academic society.
The person has had a substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity.
The person has been the head or chief editor of a major, well-established academic journal in their subject area.
The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies. (July 2024)
This article contains text that is written in a promotional tone. (July 2024)
Responses:
Notability Criteria:
1. According to ResearchGate, Schleip's work of 193 Publications has garnered over 181,676 Reads and 4,487 Academic Citations. [1]
This is probably one avenue but usually a major contributor to an area would have wider
notability such as articles on him in major publications, which I can't see?
2. Received one national level award (2006 - Janda Prize for Musculoskeletal Medicine). "The accolade is given out every two years by the German Society for Manual Medicine (Deutschen Gesellschaft für Manuelle Medizin), the Society of Manual Medicine Physicians (Ärztegesellschaft für Manuelle Medizin) as well as the Physiobörse (Wittlich)"[2]
Don't get the feeling that this is a major academic award.
5. In Germany the highest academic title is 'Professor' or 'University Professor' (
List_of_academic_ranks#Germany), of which Schleip has held at three universities.
If he was made a tenured professor (i.e. a chair that he cannot be fired from), then that is automatic notability per
WP:NPROF; a general professorship does not meet that test I'm afraid.
7. From article: Schleip along with
Dr. Werner Klinger played a leading role in initiating and organizing the first Fascia Research Congress, sponsored by the
National Institute of Health and hosted at
Harvard Medical School, which marked the breakthrough for modern
fascia research.. He has served on the scientific committee for all subsequent congresses (2009, 2012, 2015, 2018, 2022) and chaired the 2018 and 2022 congresses.
Same comments per 1. above.
I'd argue that anyone that is part of setting up a global conference, sponsored by the U.S. government and hosted at the world's most prestigous medical school would classify as 'notable', and chairing two of the conferences says something about his work?
EricAhlqvistScott (
talk)
19:10, 16 July 2024 (UTC)reply
8. Does not apply.
Biography
1. From article:
Science dedicated a two-page appreciative report to this congress and in particular to Schleip titled "Cell Biology Meets Rolfing: From Rolfer to Researcher" referring to Schleip's career shift.
I could only read the first part of the
Science article and he gets a passing mention. The Science article is
WP:SIGCOV for the topic of
Rolfing, which already has a Wikipedia article, but it is not really about him, and he is one of many researchers in the field.
Adding these in here for anyone else with the same issue:
Part 1 &
Part 2 (this is the one mentioning Schleip)
Promotional
I've personally removed any phrases that may exaggerate his expertise.
That is very helpful. The article still does have a
resume feel to it (e.g media appearances etc.), which again is a notability concern when it is hard to get clear
sources to confirm notability (i.e. the Wikipedia BLP becomes the main "plank" of the subject's notability, which is the wrong way around).
Hmm.. there's not much known about his life outside of work so kind of hard to build the article to be more of a story. Open to suggestions here?
I have tried to answer your questions above. I don't think that he is definitely not notable, or I would have tagged it for
WP:AfD, however, I couldn't find the references (or technical things like
WP:NPROF) that would confirm it. Sometimes notability built on
WP:BASIC (or item 1 above and its related items), is harder to prove or dispute. thanks.
Aszx5000 (
talk)
18:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)reply
There's also worth considering that because the discipline itself is new and relatively small. For example if you look at these metrics from one of the papers:
https://badge.dimensions.ai/details/id/pub.1105965300 you'll see that the Field Citation Ratio (The Field Citation Ratio (FCR) indicates the relative citation performance of an article, when compared to similarly-aged articles in its subject area. The FCR is normalized to 1.0 for this selection of articles. An FCR value of more than 1.0 shows that the publication has a higher than average number of citations for its group) is extremely high in it's field with 45x ratio.
EricAhlqvistScott (
talk)
18:53, 16 July 2024 (UTC)reply