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I am afraid this entire article is suspect as it appears to have been either written by the subject himself aor somebody working with him using sources entirely written by the subject. Some of the claims are fantastic (escaping from a Stalin-era prison camp) and some are entirely self-serving (such as statements about Kissinger). This needs to be entirely re-written with true source material and until then, I am taking it on myself to edit it down. Whatever these case, its far too long for a very minor personage. I found nothing on his early days on either LexisNexis, newspaper archives, or on the Web (other than his own biographies. I did find a 1967 newspaper article identifying a Robert D. Crane at Hudson but further work will have to wait for another day.
Sgmiller 16:27, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Sgmiller, I created this page and contributed the original material. I am not Robert D. Crane and neither do I work for him. Please refrain from making baseless statements about this article having been written by the subject or someone connected to him.
With the exception of the article written by the subject "Compassionate Justice", all material has been referenced to 3rd party sources. Even the article "Compassionate Justice", though authored by the subject, is published on a 3rd party website. This article is particularly informative, which is why it is referenced several times. You yourself have chosen to retain some of the information from it.
As for some of the "eggrecious" (egregious?) material, I agree with some of your omissions, but not all. I have removed the following points until there is further reference:
I believe the following points should be retained.
Finally, I disagree with your characterization of him as a "minor personage". He has held important positions in the US government. He is the author of several books and articles. He is the founder (or one of the founders) of several organizations. And he is still active as an author and activist. Far more has been written on Wikipedia on far less significant people. A simple google search shows a lot of of his works and activities. Just because it is difficult to find information about his private life or career does not make him insignificant or a "minor personage".
Sage 19:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
well, If you read for Dr. Crane you will realize how significant his personality is. I can see why some may try to undermine his work because he wrote once: "Islam is the only solution. It carries justice in it's soul and in it's major and minor details"
He also wrote "If people in the US would read newspapers they surly will fear Islam". Ghamma2d ( talk) 16:25, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Doctor? Sorry, having a JD does not allow one to call himself doctor. This is well known and accepted in the legal community, however disappointing and unfortunate for those who would love their law degrees to grant them the title. Cjs2111 ( talk) 01:59, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
It is against WP policy to remove sourced material without discussion and that certainly should not be done by anonymous editors. I have accordingly reverted the material on the subject's role as advisor to Ahmed Yousef Sgmiller ( talk) 03:47, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Crane's conversion is sourced by a link to a webforum-thread that is dead. I hope someone will come with something better, or it should be deleted. Good luck to all, Jeff5102 ( talk) 11:57, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
I have not looked at this page in a very long time and I see that the claim of having been imprisoned in a Soviet Gulag has been repeated yet another time. Since there has never been a shred of proof for this claim other than the subject's own statement, I am deleting it until such time that a reliable third party souirce for the claim can be produced.
Sgmiller ( talk) 14:40, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Actually I have looked more carefully at this article and find it devoid of reliable sources. Either the source is a publication of the subject himself or does not support the statement made. For example, the subject is supposed to have been a Nixon advisor but the source refers to a Reagan Presidential commission which hardly qualifies even as a Reagan "advisor". Also, the suject is supposed to have been a Deputy Director of the National Security Commission but I can find nothing on this either on LexisNexis, newspaper archives, or on the Web other than what appears to have been drawn from this Wikipedia article. I thought about trying a rewrite but since there seems to be no reliable sources on this individual, I am not sure what the point would be. Sgmiller ( talk) 15:33, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
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I am afraid this entire article is suspect as it appears to have been either written by the subject himself aor somebody working with him using sources entirely written by the subject. Some of the claims are fantastic (escaping from a Stalin-era prison camp) and some are entirely self-serving (such as statements about Kissinger). This needs to be entirely re-written with true source material and until then, I am taking it on myself to edit it down. Whatever these case, its far too long for a very minor personage. I found nothing on his early days on either LexisNexis, newspaper archives, or on the Web (other than his own biographies. I did find a 1967 newspaper article identifying a Robert D. Crane at Hudson but further work will have to wait for another day.
Sgmiller 16:27, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Sgmiller, I created this page and contributed the original material. I am not Robert D. Crane and neither do I work for him. Please refrain from making baseless statements about this article having been written by the subject or someone connected to him.
With the exception of the article written by the subject "Compassionate Justice", all material has been referenced to 3rd party sources. Even the article "Compassionate Justice", though authored by the subject, is published on a 3rd party website. This article is particularly informative, which is why it is referenced several times. You yourself have chosen to retain some of the information from it.
As for some of the "eggrecious" (egregious?) material, I agree with some of your omissions, but not all. I have removed the following points until there is further reference:
I believe the following points should be retained.
Finally, I disagree with your characterization of him as a "minor personage". He has held important positions in the US government. He is the author of several books and articles. He is the founder (or one of the founders) of several organizations. And he is still active as an author and activist. Far more has been written on Wikipedia on far less significant people. A simple google search shows a lot of of his works and activities. Just because it is difficult to find information about his private life or career does not make him insignificant or a "minor personage".
Sage 19:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
well, If you read for Dr. Crane you will realize how significant his personality is. I can see why some may try to undermine his work because he wrote once: "Islam is the only solution. It carries justice in it's soul and in it's major and minor details"
He also wrote "If people in the US would read newspapers they surly will fear Islam". Ghamma2d ( talk) 16:25, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Doctor? Sorry, having a JD does not allow one to call himself doctor. This is well known and accepted in the legal community, however disappointing and unfortunate for those who would love their law degrees to grant them the title. Cjs2111 ( talk) 01:59, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
It is against WP policy to remove sourced material without discussion and that certainly should not be done by anonymous editors. I have accordingly reverted the material on the subject's role as advisor to Ahmed Yousef Sgmiller ( talk) 03:47, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Crane's conversion is sourced by a link to a webforum-thread that is dead. I hope someone will come with something better, or it should be deleted. Good luck to all, Jeff5102 ( talk) 11:57, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
I have not looked at this page in a very long time and I see that the claim of having been imprisoned in a Soviet Gulag has been repeated yet another time. Since there has never been a shred of proof for this claim other than the subject's own statement, I am deleting it until such time that a reliable third party souirce for the claim can be produced.
Sgmiller ( talk) 14:40, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Actually I have looked more carefully at this article and find it devoid of reliable sources. Either the source is a publication of the subject himself or does not support the statement made. For example, the subject is supposed to have been a Nixon advisor but the source refers to a Reagan Presidential commission which hardly qualifies even as a Reagan "advisor". Also, the suject is supposed to have been a Deputy Director of the National Security Commission but I can find nothing on this either on LexisNexis, newspaper archives, or on the Web other than what appears to have been drawn from this Wikipedia article. I thought about trying a rewrite but since there seems to be no reliable sources on this individual, I am not sure what the point would be. Sgmiller ( talk) 15:33, 7 November 2014 (UTC)