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In the introduction there is a link to the 'Revolt of the Brotherhoods', but that page indicates that this revolt took place more than 60 years after his death. So either Robert Campin wasn't involved in any such revolt, or it was another revolt than the one being linked to. — Preceding
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81.246.45.6 (
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10:46, 7 June 2017 (UTC)reply
Very problematic article
This article is incredibly problematic, because it's identifying without reserves Robert Campin to the Master of Flémalle, when in reality this is controversial. See for instance RKD's entry of Robert Campin.
213.124.174.59 (
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12:13, 8 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Nonsense - the 2nd sentence is "Campin's identity and the attribution of the paintings in both the "Campin" and "Master of Flémalle" groupings have been a matter of controversy for decades". I think the controversy is in fact rather dying down.
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14:27, 8 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Well yes, as RKD link above assumes they are one and the same person. The debate is mostly (now over-)covered in the lead, suggest we move this to its one section, and mention for each painting which grouping it comes from. As an aside, as with a lot of Netherlandish articles, the Catalonian article is very strong (although individual painting articles place too much emphasis and space on re-hashing his bio and the period's historical context),
[1] and have been thinking for years to doing some translating - or at least mining the sources. Mañana, though this one could be improved by re-jigging re cut and paste.
Ceoil (
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22:15, 9 April 2022 (UTC)reply
One thing though. When it says "Campin's identity and the attribution of the paintings in both the "Campin" and "Master of Flémalle" groupings have been a matter of controversy for decades...", I don't think it's quite "Campin's identity" that is at issue. The historical Campin is pretty well-attested for his date; it's what he painted that is uncertain. I don't think any of the surviving paintings are signed or documented to him, are they?
Johnbod (
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22:35, 9 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Re first "Thoughts, Old and New, on the Sources of Early Netherlandish Painting", 1986
JSTOR3780631 say's "the school's so-called founders, Robert Campin and Hubert and Jan van Eyck", which is probably better.
Ceoil (
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22:46, 19 May 2023 (UTC)reply
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In the introduction there is a link to the 'Revolt of the Brotherhoods', but that page indicates that this revolt took place more than 60 years after his death. So either Robert Campin wasn't involved in any such revolt, or it was another revolt than the one being linked to. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
81.246.45.6 (
talk)
10:46, 7 June 2017 (UTC)reply
Very problematic article
This article is incredibly problematic, because it's identifying without reserves Robert Campin to the Master of Flémalle, when in reality this is controversial. See for instance RKD's entry of Robert Campin.
213.124.174.59 (
talk)
12:13, 8 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Nonsense - the 2nd sentence is "Campin's identity and the attribution of the paintings in both the "Campin" and "Master of Flémalle" groupings have been a matter of controversy for decades". I think the controversy is in fact rather dying down.
Johnbod (
talk)
14:27, 8 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Well yes, as RKD link above assumes they are one and the same person. The debate is mostly (now over-)covered in the lead, suggest we move this to its one section, and mention for each painting which grouping it comes from. As an aside, as with a lot of Netherlandish articles, the Catalonian article is very strong (although individual painting articles place too much emphasis and space on re-hashing his bio and the period's historical context),
[1] and have been thinking for years to doing some translating - or at least mining the sources. Mañana, though this one could be improved by re-jigging re cut and paste.
Ceoil (
talk)
22:15, 9 April 2022 (UTC)reply
One thing though. When it says "Campin's identity and the attribution of the paintings in both the "Campin" and "Master of Flémalle" groupings have been a matter of controversy for decades...", I don't think it's quite "Campin's identity" that is at issue. The historical Campin is pretty well-attested for his date; it's what he painted that is uncertain. I don't think any of the surviving paintings are signed or documented to him, are they?
Johnbod (
talk)
22:35, 9 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Re first "Thoughts, Old and New, on the Sources of Early Netherlandish Painting", 1986
JSTOR3780631 say's "the school's so-called founders, Robert Campin and Hubert and Jan van Eyck", which is probably better.
Ceoil (
talk)
22:46, 19 May 2023 (UTC)reply