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Did they give a reason for rejecting the DNA evidence? 24.131.12.228 04:15, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Bropho bail application rejected, ABC News Feb 06: "The Supreme Court has rejected a bail application by Aboriginal activist Robert Bropho. Bropho is serving a 12-month sentence for indecently dealing with a young girl while he was the head of the now defunct Swan Valley Noongah Community. His legal counsel today applied for bail pending the outcome of an appeal against the convictions, but the application was refused..."
Bropho denies these claims:
Aboriginal elder denies sex abuse allegations. ABC Radio, 31 Oct 2001 Robert Bropho reveals Aboriginal community to leave Swan Valley camp ABC Stateline, June 6, 2003 Indigenous DNA testing in doubt: ABC 7.30 Report, 26/08/2004 Perth community closure. PM, 14 May, 2003 Controversy over WA govt closure of Swan Valley Camp: The World Today, 19 November , 2004
BELLA BROPHO v STATE OF WESTERN AUSTRALIA & ORS: September 5, 2006 [ http://www.perth.indymedia.org.au/index.php?action=newswire&parentview=7402 Radio Interview: Bella Bropho From Swan Valley Nooynga Community December 2004 ] -- ErnMalley 17:31, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I started to review this article, but have given up because it is just too deeply flawed. The three final straws for me were:
As far as I am concerned this article is so horribly biased that it is unsalvageable, and I intend to revert it to the version of 21 March unless someone can give me just cause why I should not.
Hesperian 07:36, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Although not quite as blatant, but still mostly one-sided was the editor's contributions at Swan Valley Nyungah Community. I've given that a major copyedit, trying to save as much of the material the editor has added as possible. Another revision there would not go astray. Moondyne 13:59, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Hesperian has reverted me [1] with an edit comment of "He was convicted of child sex offenses not paedophilia; paedophilia is a sexual orientation." To be clear, I do agree with that statement, but don't see how it conflicts with saying "... is an indigenous Australian and activist and convicted serial paedophile from ...". By definition, he is a paedophile, by virtue of his convictions. Is the word "conviction" troublesome in the context it was used? Note that The Australian was incorrect in stating that he "... has again been jailed for pedophilia" which is nonsense of course—there's no crime of paedophilia (that I'm aware of), only certain acts which constitute paedophilia. Moondyne 05:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
I thought the introductory paragraphs were well written and referenced and should be included back into the article without some of the biased language included. I'll edit them and reinclude them for the perusal of other editors. Hope this is agreeable to all. -- Hughesdarren ( talk) 14:17, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Is the infobox OK - A bit sanitised IMHO Would anyone find occupation - Aboriginal elder objectionable? -- Hughesdarren ( talk) 14:28, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Also put childhood section back in after removing NPOV issues (IMO anyway), there is still "the constant fear of" type of language included though as this must be an accurate reflection of what the Noongar people would have felt back in the days of the stolen generation. Any major objections to any section of what has been put back in so far?
Have put back early activism section (unedited - reads well but posibly biased?) and Swan Brewery section (edited for NPOV), would anyone like to offer any feedback or opinions? -- Hughesdarren ( talk) 09:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
RE: Aboriginal elder - any clear evaluation of the role of older aboriginals within the nyungar community would not necessarily give the weight to any individual without understanding that there are in fact competing groups - also there is serious doubt as to the position of bropho over his competitors for the status and respect within the nyungar community that colbung has for instance - I would be very reluctant to agree with re-inserting material for the sake of putting it back without adequate checking of material against some very obscure informers / sources - Satu Suro 02:15, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Me too -- Hughesdarren ( talk) 10:13, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
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Did they give a reason for rejecting the DNA evidence? 24.131.12.228 04:15, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Bropho bail application rejected, ABC News Feb 06: "The Supreme Court has rejected a bail application by Aboriginal activist Robert Bropho. Bropho is serving a 12-month sentence for indecently dealing with a young girl while he was the head of the now defunct Swan Valley Noongah Community. His legal counsel today applied for bail pending the outcome of an appeal against the convictions, but the application was refused..."
Bropho denies these claims:
Aboriginal elder denies sex abuse allegations. ABC Radio, 31 Oct 2001 Robert Bropho reveals Aboriginal community to leave Swan Valley camp ABC Stateline, June 6, 2003 Indigenous DNA testing in doubt: ABC 7.30 Report, 26/08/2004 Perth community closure. PM, 14 May, 2003 Controversy over WA govt closure of Swan Valley Camp: The World Today, 19 November , 2004
BELLA BROPHO v STATE OF WESTERN AUSTRALIA & ORS: September 5, 2006 [ http://www.perth.indymedia.org.au/index.php?action=newswire&parentview=7402 Radio Interview: Bella Bropho From Swan Valley Nooynga Community December 2004 ] -- ErnMalley 17:31, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I started to review this article, but have given up because it is just too deeply flawed. The three final straws for me were:
As far as I am concerned this article is so horribly biased that it is unsalvageable, and I intend to revert it to the version of 21 March unless someone can give me just cause why I should not.
Hesperian 07:36, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Although not quite as blatant, but still mostly one-sided was the editor's contributions at Swan Valley Nyungah Community. I've given that a major copyedit, trying to save as much of the material the editor has added as possible. Another revision there would not go astray. Moondyne 13:59, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Hesperian has reverted me [1] with an edit comment of "He was convicted of child sex offenses not paedophilia; paedophilia is a sexual orientation." To be clear, I do agree with that statement, but don't see how it conflicts with saying "... is an indigenous Australian and activist and convicted serial paedophile from ...". By definition, he is a paedophile, by virtue of his convictions. Is the word "conviction" troublesome in the context it was used? Note that The Australian was incorrect in stating that he "... has again been jailed for pedophilia" which is nonsense of course—there's no crime of paedophilia (that I'm aware of), only certain acts which constitute paedophilia. Moondyne 05:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
I thought the introductory paragraphs were well written and referenced and should be included back into the article without some of the biased language included. I'll edit them and reinclude them for the perusal of other editors. Hope this is agreeable to all. -- Hughesdarren ( talk) 14:17, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Is the infobox OK - A bit sanitised IMHO Would anyone find occupation - Aboriginal elder objectionable? -- Hughesdarren ( talk) 14:28, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Also put childhood section back in after removing NPOV issues (IMO anyway), there is still "the constant fear of" type of language included though as this must be an accurate reflection of what the Noongar people would have felt back in the days of the stolen generation. Any major objections to any section of what has been put back in so far?
Have put back early activism section (unedited - reads well but posibly biased?) and Swan Brewery section (edited for NPOV), would anyone like to offer any feedback or opinions? -- Hughesdarren ( talk) 09:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
RE: Aboriginal elder - any clear evaluation of the role of older aboriginals within the nyungar community would not necessarily give the weight to any individual without understanding that there are in fact competing groups - also there is serious doubt as to the position of bropho over his competitors for the status and respect within the nyungar community that colbung has for instance - I would be very reluctant to agree with re-inserting material for the sake of putting it back without adequate checking of material against some very obscure informers / sources - Satu Suro 02:15, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Me too -- Hughesdarren ( talk) 10:13, 25 June 2008 (UTC)