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What is the basis for the style "Very Reverend"? As far as I can see Fr Barron is neither a canon nor an honorary chaplain to his Holiness. Mark.hamid ( talk) 08:01, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
@ BrandonVogt1225: I noticed you just made a significant modification to the lede and other parts of the article, while noting in your edit summary that you were an assistant of Bishop Barron. First of all, welcome to Wikipedia. Second, there are a number of policies that Wikipedia content must abide by, including having a neutral point of view, not using original research, and not using puffery. Much of your contribution was beneficial (if additional citations are added), but much of it violated these policies. I would advise that you rework your additions so that they are not in violation of Wikipedia's policies, otherwise they will be reverted. If you have specific questions about whether something violates a Wikipedia policy, feel free to ask. Ergo Sum 20:48, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: move as primary topic ( closed by non-admin page mover) DannyS712 ( talk) 00:15, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
Robert Barron (bishop) → Robert Barron – Should have leveled WP:PRIMARYTOPIC by now? While disambiguating destination article. PPEMES ( talk) 17:44, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
From the article: 'Barron is a proponent of Hans Urs von Balthasar's “dare we hope” theory, declaring there is "objective ground" for a "hope that all men may be saved".'
The proposed modifications:
First, the theologian Larry Chapp, who is a von Balthasar scholar, maintains that the German translation of “dare we hope” is flawed. In the original it is rendered "should we hope", which gives a much different nuance. Chapp has stated that much of the contention with von Balthasar comes from this mistranslation. This is one of those things that Wikipedia can't change until the culture changes, so we obviously can't do this for some time yet. Please retain this for future reference.
Second, the word 'theory' has, or arguably should have, primarily a scientific connotation. A better word in this sentence would be 'theology'.
Thanks Tfdavisatsnetnet ( talk) 19:15, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
What a wonderful message you crafted today - Sunday, 23 Jan 2022. As a 72 year old man I can still vividly recall the profound disappointment I felt in my early 20s concluding that I had to terminate my time with the Jesuits after 4 years “in formation”. We (the Jesuits-of the late 60s and early 1970s) had abandoned almost all that Ignatius had counseled us to do as a community of religious dedicated to a unique form of “missionary” work - work which had been recently redefined by Pope Paul VI as a dedication to a world in free fall into agnosticism and atheism. (He felt we were uniquely positioned to build those bridges to those stranded in confusion and modern forms of self-destructive egotism.) Had you, and more like you been there to guide, advise, and even discipline those willing only to tear down the beautiful walls of our traditions in art, literature, spiritual practice, music, liturgy and intellectual rigor that was the unique 2000 year-old city of God, many of us would have been able to continue to dedicate ourselves to building bridges from that lovely city of truth, beauty and goodness to aid a profoundly disordered world. My four years were not wasted, I know, but would that they could have gone on to be four or more decades of service to God in priestly service to the Church. I am glad you are with us now and with our seminarians and I pray, with many others, for more like you. James T 2601:404:C500:4BBB:444D:2161:35A5:9AB9 ( talk) 06:52, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Shouldn’t Bob Dylan be listed among Bishop Barron’s influences? I have never seem anyone as interested in Dylan as Bishop Barron is. There are many YouTube videos where this is evident, specially considering Bishop Barron’s way of preaching through culture. 45.226.116.45 ( talk) 18:42, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
It looks like Bishop Barron may have changed his coat of arms. This photo on Facebook of the cathedra at Saint John the Evangelist Co-Cathedral shows the panel with the bishop's coat of arms has been changed: https://www.facebook.com/cocathedralofstjohn/photos/pcb.2252800444877710/2252800398211048 SlowJog ( talk) 15:17, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Roberto221 ( talk) 17:47, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Roberto221 ( talk) 20:37, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Auxiliary bishops do not actually succeed one another. Therefore it does not make sense to include them in "succession boxes" because there is no line of succession. Thanks. Elizium23 ( talk) 13:39, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Roberto221 ( talk) 16:28, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Should we add a YouTuber infobox under the “Media works” section of the article? I feel like that would be a good place to start in organizing statistics on his social media following, which are currently represented with bullet points. aeromachinator (talk to me here) 03:48, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
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What is the basis for the style "Very Reverend"? As far as I can see Fr Barron is neither a canon nor an honorary chaplain to his Holiness. Mark.hamid ( talk) 08:01, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
@ BrandonVogt1225: I noticed you just made a significant modification to the lede and other parts of the article, while noting in your edit summary that you were an assistant of Bishop Barron. First of all, welcome to Wikipedia. Second, there are a number of policies that Wikipedia content must abide by, including having a neutral point of view, not using original research, and not using puffery. Much of your contribution was beneficial (if additional citations are added), but much of it violated these policies. I would advise that you rework your additions so that they are not in violation of Wikipedia's policies, otherwise they will be reverted. If you have specific questions about whether something violates a Wikipedia policy, feel free to ask. Ergo Sum 20:48, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 17:52, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move as primary topic ( closed by non-admin page mover) DannyS712 ( talk) 00:15, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
Robert Barron (bishop) → Robert Barron – Should have leveled WP:PRIMARYTOPIC by now? While disambiguating destination article. PPEMES ( talk) 17:44, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
From the article: 'Barron is a proponent of Hans Urs von Balthasar's “dare we hope” theory, declaring there is "objective ground" for a "hope that all men may be saved".'
The proposed modifications:
First, the theologian Larry Chapp, who is a von Balthasar scholar, maintains that the German translation of “dare we hope” is flawed. In the original it is rendered "should we hope", which gives a much different nuance. Chapp has stated that much of the contention with von Balthasar comes from this mistranslation. This is one of those things that Wikipedia can't change until the culture changes, so we obviously can't do this for some time yet. Please retain this for future reference.
Second, the word 'theory' has, or arguably should have, primarily a scientific connotation. A better word in this sentence would be 'theology'.
Thanks Tfdavisatsnetnet ( talk) 19:15, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
What a wonderful message you crafted today - Sunday, 23 Jan 2022. As a 72 year old man I can still vividly recall the profound disappointment I felt in my early 20s concluding that I had to terminate my time with the Jesuits after 4 years “in formation”. We (the Jesuits-of the late 60s and early 1970s) had abandoned almost all that Ignatius had counseled us to do as a community of religious dedicated to a unique form of “missionary” work - work which had been recently redefined by Pope Paul VI as a dedication to a world in free fall into agnosticism and atheism. (He felt we were uniquely positioned to build those bridges to those stranded in confusion and modern forms of self-destructive egotism.) Had you, and more like you been there to guide, advise, and even discipline those willing only to tear down the beautiful walls of our traditions in art, literature, spiritual practice, music, liturgy and intellectual rigor that was the unique 2000 year-old city of God, many of us would have been able to continue to dedicate ourselves to building bridges from that lovely city of truth, beauty and goodness to aid a profoundly disordered world. My four years were not wasted, I know, but would that they could have gone on to be four or more decades of service to God in priestly service to the Church. I am glad you are with us now and with our seminarians and I pray, with many others, for more like you. James T 2601:404:C500:4BBB:444D:2161:35A5:9AB9 ( talk) 06:52, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Shouldn’t Bob Dylan be listed among Bishop Barron’s influences? I have never seem anyone as interested in Dylan as Bishop Barron is. There are many YouTube videos where this is evident, specially considering Bishop Barron’s way of preaching through culture. 45.226.116.45 ( talk) 18:42, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
It looks like Bishop Barron may have changed his coat of arms. This photo on Facebook of the cathedra at Saint John the Evangelist Co-Cathedral shows the panel with the bishop's coat of arms has been changed: https://www.facebook.com/cocathedralofstjohn/photos/pcb.2252800444877710/2252800398211048 SlowJog ( talk) 15:17, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Roberto221 ( talk) 17:47, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Roberto221 ( talk) 20:37, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Auxiliary bishops do not actually succeed one another. Therefore it does not make sense to include them in "succession boxes" because there is no line of succession. Thanks. Elizium23 ( talk) 13:39, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Roberto221 ( talk) 16:28, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Should we add a YouTuber infobox under the “Media works” section of the article? I feel like that would be a good place to start in organizing statistics on his social media following, which are currently represented with bullet points. aeromachinator (talk to me here) 03:48, 5 October 2022 (UTC)