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Oh man... I don't think there has ever been a more accurate word for me than Roadgeek. I never knew it existed. Probably much like the native americans not realizing they were called Indians by the white men and also very similar to the molecules within dog feces not realizing that they are called by many foul names. -- Wraybm1 03:47, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I made a video of my most recent roadtrip and put it on my website at. [ [1]] check it out if you want... or not... whatever.
"A roadgeek (sometimes roadfan) is a person that is interested in roads as a hobby. Typical roadgeek behaviors include:
Taking road trips for the roads rather than the destination (sometimes called roadgeeking)"
Isn't that sort of redundant a roadgeek doing roadgeeking? Personally, I prefer "road scholar" ;) US 71 20:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I think maybe something ought to be mentioned about those of us who are immensely interested in roads, but don't take road trips just for the roads, and don't have extensive road picture galleries and such. I remember being on a roadtrip with my father and crossing the Louisiana border from Mississippi. I just about freaked the first time I saw one of their four-digit state highway markers. Since then, I've enjoyed AA Roads and their network of roadgeek pages immensely. I have learned lots about signage. Anyhow, maybe I'm a certain type of road geek, too. Just a passive one. I think that deserves to be alluded to in this article, but I don't want to unilaterally rip up someone's hard work. -- Coryma 17:17, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
AFAIK, I created the term "roadfan", at least in this context (see Category talk:Wikipedians interested in roads) - I explain the origin in this December 21, 1999 Usenet post: 83p0qt$ggi$1@nnrp1.deja.com. IME it's not really as prominent as "roadgeek", even after seven years. Mapsax 23:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I have checked the links and references and there is enough links and information available to verify the authenticity of this article. I have improved the reference section. However the article could have some cleaning up by more subject knowledgable editors, there still seems to be question marks about originality and POV. Even though I do not have an overwhelming interest in the subject I think there is a lot of room for expansion and it would be nice to see some non North American input as I think it probably is a global hobby.-- Matt 02:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
For whomever took/put up the Zzyzx Rd pic, I just wanted to say thank you... Driving from LA to Vegas, how can you NOT notice the biggest landmark before the "Big Thermometer" in Baker? Way cool! Jeff
It would be interesting, not to mention more informative, to actually explain the notablility of each of the features listed in this section. Otherwise it is a meaningless list which does not assert any reason why these are included over any other feature one might consider for inclusion. — MapsMan [ talk | cont ] — 22:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree with NE2 that the "Notable roadgeeks" section is dubious; I can think of many more that would be appropriate for that section, with credentials equal to the people already on the list. For that matter, if all it takes is a website and a newspaper attribution to be included, then I should be on there as well, since I have both the former ( http://www.roadfan.com/) and latter ("To Hit the Road, You Don't Have to Leave Comfort of Computer", The Columbus Dispatch, 2002-09-16). Mapsax ( talk) 22:33, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
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help)When the List was summarily axed last week I reinstated it, thinking it was vandalism, but then the list was re-axed that same day by another person. They cited some WP link, but regardless of that (which I admittedly didn't look at) the listing of some notable persons that are the title subject should be a valid part of the article. Look at more mainstream articles like Movie Star, I bet there is a list of them, how about Presidents or the like? Even if the list actually does conflict with some Wiki guideline, does it really deter from the article rather than help it? Would a list of notable roadgeeks tend to help identify this rather obscure hobby of ours? N9jig ( talk) 11:47, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
So now I actually looked up the reference cited when the section was axed, and it says that the list IS within guidelines:
"1. Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics such as (but not limited to) quotations, aphorisms, or persons (real or fictional). If you want to enter lists of quotations, put them into our sister project Wikiquote. Of course, there is nothing wrong with having lists if their entries are famous because they are associated with or significantly contribute to the list topic (for example, Nixon's Enemies List). Wikipedia also includes reference tables and tabular information for quick reference. Merged groups of small articles based on a core topic are certainly permitted. (See Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists#Appropriate topics for lists for clarification.)" N9jig ( talk) 11:58, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Now as to the status of who should be so listed is of course up for discussion, but the existence if the List itself is well within Wiki guidelines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by N9jig ( talk • contribs) 11:56, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
The following has been copied from the U.S. Roads Project talk page—While there are a few people who run well-known roadgeek sites, I don't think we should have a listing of them. There are a few people who have their roadgeeking noted in the press—Jeff Kitsko, who appears in Pennsylvania newspapers semi-frequently, H.B. Elkins, who appears in the media as a matter of course because he's a KTC PR guy, Steve Alpert, whose photos have appeared in the Vermont drivers' manual, and I guess you could include User:US 71, who often has letters published in a Fort Smith newspaper's road column. But all of those cases seem too marginal; there's no household name that is an acknowledged roadgeek (or would deserve their own article). So really I don't think we should have a list in that article.—After writing the above I thought of the following—what if a list such as this leads to navelgazing in the roadgeek community? I can see a thread on MTR consisting of "hah, I'm a 'notable roadgeek' and you're not" and that resulting in anon editing and instability to this article. That might attract some of the "bad crowd" from MTR as well. — Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 17:23, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
While I agree that the list of who should and shouldn't be in such a list can be debated endlessly, there are those who deserved to be listed, and the listing itself is valid as these are the people who define the topic. After all, the article is about a group of people who have a common interest or notoriety, by its very definition it invites a listing of notable persons belonging to that group. The few that Scott listed fall into that list, there may be others. Being Wiki however this list is always subject to wanton destruction (which started this last batch of discussion) or debates over who is and isn't notable. It is just this type of stuff that drove me off of MTR and is close to driving me from further contributions to Wikipedia as well. N9jig ( talk) 19:36, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Needs more info about other countries, imo. Btw I would describe myself as a moderate Roadgeek, even though I can't drive yet! tractakid ( talk) 18:52, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
After the redirect from SABRE (and the long discussions there), I've rewritten that paragraph, but also the introduction as it was clearly written with a pejorative slant: "behaviour of roadgeeks", "bragging" etc. I've also addded to quotations from one of the press articles to highlight what it is about roads that captures the enthusiasm of Roadgeeks.
That paragraph about SABRE is not to "big them up" (again, see the previous discussions) - but they are definitely one of the most prominent communities out there. If there are others, let's add them in.
The only thing I still have concerns about there is the "One Show" link, as the archive is not available from the BBC, but this segment is hosted on a SABRE-affiliated site, featuring two prominent members of SABRE. Any suggestions welcome. Davoloid ( talk) 11:36, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
I don't want to remove the "meat" of the article, but the quotations need to be changed out for our own writing. Yes, I removed a quotation, but the full quotation wasn't needed to cite the fact that not all roadgeeks have cars. Why insert a block quote when a single sentence with the footnote will do, and do better? As for the examples, we have nothing of Canada listed, but way too much of the US. Yes, there are probably an order of magnitude more American roadgeeks than British ones, but we don't need quite so many examples to get the point. (One US example is even listed twice because it involves two states.) I'd like to see the US list culled down so that the state-level subheaders can be removed. Then everything there would still need a footnote. As for notability, the deletionists will fail on that account. Look at the number of press sources we have from three major London newspapers (The Daily Mail, The Independent, The Telegraph), three major US newspapers (the LA Times, St. Louis Post-Dispatch and the Washington Post). I even have cited a smaller, but still "major" paper in Michigan that interviewed Chris Bessert, maintainer of the Michigan Highways website for a story on the history of an Interstate here. That plus the books mentioned would be enough to keep the deletionists at bay. Imzadi 1979 → 13:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
SABRE has recently had unsolicited requests to appear on BBC Local Radio (see this thread). We've already got one reference in this article to satisfy "one of the larger and most prominent communities of road enthusiasts online", but could this be another one to back up the notability claims? -- Ritchie333 (talk) 12:42, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Someone has tagged this section as original research with the rationale "It should have added it to the "Sites of interest to roadgeeks" section. There is nothing to mention, the whole section is original research and it will be removed in 3 weeks if it remains that way". Does anyone else have any opinions on this? -- Ritchie333 (talk) 16:02, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Is the list really needed? It seems awfully WP:CRUFTY... -- Admr Boltz 15:26, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
It seems to lack any coherent focus. I think railfanning and planespotting are written better, with much less external links and dubious lists. I'm not really in a position to rewite this article, but an editor with extensive knowledge on the subject ie NE2 could impart wisdom upon it. Buffaboy talk 23:52, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
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Oh man... I don't think there has ever been a more accurate word for me than Roadgeek. I never knew it existed. Probably much like the native americans not realizing they were called Indians by the white men and also very similar to the molecules within dog feces not realizing that they are called by many foul names. -- Wraybm1 03:47, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I made a video of my most recent roadtrip and put it on my website at. [ [1]] check it out if you want... or not... whatever.
"A roadgeek (sometimes roadfan) is a person that is interested in roads as a hobby. Typical roadgeek behaviors include:
Taking road trips for the roads rather than the destination (sometimes called roadgeeking)"
Isn't that sort of redundant a roadgeek doing roadgeeking? Personally, I prefer "road scholar" ;) US 71 20:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I think maybe something ought to be mentioned about those of us who are immensely interested in roads, but don't take road trips just for the roads, and don't have extensive road picture galleries and such. I remember being on a roadtrip with my father and crossing the Louisiana border from Mississippi. I just about freaked the first time I saw one of their four-digit state highway markers. Since then, I've enjoyed AA Roads and their network of roadgeek pages immensely. I have learned lots about signage. Anyhow, maybe I'm a certain type of road geek, too. Just a passive one. I think that deserves to be alluded to in this article, but I don't want to unilaterally rip up someone's hard work. -- Coryma 17:17, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
AFAIK, I created the term "roadfan", at least in this context (see Category talk:Wikipedians interested in roads) - I explain the origin in this December 21, 1999 Usenet post: 83p0qt$ggi$1@nnrp1.deja.com. IME it's not really as prominent as "roadgeek", even after seven years. Mapsax 23:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I have checked the links and references and there is enough links and information available to verify the authenticity of this article. I have improved the reference section. However the article could have some cleaning up by more subject knowledgable editors, there still seems to be question marks about originality and POV. Even though I do not have an overwhelming interest in the subject I think there is a lot of room for expansion and it would be nice to see some non North American input as I think it probably is a global hobby.-- Matt 02:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
For whomever took/put up the Zzyzx Rd pic, I just wanted to say thank you... Driving from LA to Vegas, how can you NOT notice the biggest landmark before the "Big Thermometer" in Baker? Way cool! Jeff
It would be interesting, not to mention more informative, to actually explain the notablility of each of the features listed in this section. Otherwise it is a meaningless list which does not assert any reason why these are included over any other feature one might consider for inclusion. — MapsMan [ talk | cont ] — 22:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree with NE2 that the "Notable roadgeeks" section is dubious; I can think of many more that would be appropriate for that section, with credentials equal to the people already on the list. For that matter, if all it takes is a website and a newspaper attribution to be included, then I should be on there as well, since I have both the former ( http://www.roadfan.com/) and latter ("To Hit the Road, You Don't Have to Leave Comfort of Computer", The Columbus Dispatch, 2002-09-16). Mapsax ( talk) 22:33, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
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help)When the List was summarily axed last week I reinstated it, thinking it was vandalism, but then the list was re-axed that same day by another person. They cited some WP link, but regardless of that (which I admittedly didn't look at) the listing of some notable persons that are the title subject should be a valid part of the article. Look at more mainstream articles like Movie Star, I bet there is a list of them, how about Presidents or the like? Even if the list actually does conflict with some Wiki guideline, does it really deter from the article rather than help it? Would a list of notable roadgeeks tend to help identify this rather obscure hobby of ours? N9jig ( talk) 11:47, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
So now I actually looked up the reference cited when the section was axed, and it says that the list IS within guidelines:
"1. Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics such as (but not limited to) quotations, aphorisms, or persons (real or fictional). If you want to enter lists of quotations, put them into our sister project Wikiquote. Of course, there is nothing wrong with having lists if their entries are famous because they are associated with or significantly contribute to the list topic (for example, Nixon's Enemies List). Wikipedia also includes reference tables and tabular information for quick reference. Merged groups of small articles based on a core topic are certainly permitted. (See Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists#Appropriate topics for lists for clarification.)" N9jig ( talk) 11:58, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Now as to the status of who should be so listed is of course up for discussion, but the existence if the List itself is well within Wiki guidelines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by N9jig ( talk • contribs) 11:56, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
The following has been copied from the U.S. Roads Project talk page—While there are a few people who run well-known roadgeek sites, I don't think we should have a listing of them. There are a few people who have their roadgeeking noted in the press—Jeff Kitsko, who appears in Pennsylvania newspapers semi-frequently, H.B. Elkins, who appears in the media as a matter of course because he's a KTC PR guy, Steve Alpert, whose photos have appeared in the Vermont drivers' manual, and I guess you could include User:US 71, who often has letters published in a Fort Smith newspaper's road column. But all of those cases seem too marginal; there's no household name that is an acknowledged roadgeek (or would deserve their own article). So really I don't think we should have a list in that article.—After writing the above I thought of the following—what if a list such as this leads to navelgazing in the roadgeek community? I can see a thread on MTR consisting of "hah, I'm a 'notable roadgeek' and you're not" and that resulting in anon editing and instability to this article. That might attract some of the "bad crowd" from MTR as well. — Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 17:23, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
While I agree that the list of who should and shouldn't be in such a list can be debated endlessly, there are those who deserved to be listed, and the listing itself is valid as these are the people who define the topic. After all, the article is about a group of people who have a common interest or notoriety, by its very definition it invites a listing of notable persons belonging to that group. The few that Scott listed fall into that list, there may be others. Being Wiki however this list is always subject to wanton destruction (which started this last batch of discussion) or debates over who is and isn't notable. It is just this type of stuff that drove me off of MTR and is close to driving me from further contributions to Wikipedia as well. N9jig ( talk) 19:36, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Needs more info about other countries, imo. Btw I would describe myself as a moderate Roadgeek, even though I can't drive yet! tractakid ( talk) 18:52, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
After the redirect from SABRE (and the long discussions there), I've rewritten that paragraph, but also the introduction as it was clearly written with a pejorative slant: "behaviour of roadgeeks", "bragging" etc. I've also addded to quotations from one of the press articles to highlight what it is about roads that captures the enthusiasm of Roadgeeks.
That paragraph about SABRE is not to "big them up" (again, see the previous discussions) - but they are definitely one of the most prominent communities out there. If there are others, let's add them in.
The only thing I still have concerns about there is the "One Show" link, as the archive is not available from the BBC, but this segment is hosted on a SABRE-affiliated site, featuring two prominent members of SABRE. Any suggestions welcome. Davoloid ( talk) 11:36, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
I don't want to remove the "meat" of the article, but the quotations need to be changed out for our own writing. Yes, I removed a quotation, but the full quotation wasn't needed to cite the fact that not all roadgeeks have cars. Why insert a block quote when a single sentence with the footnote will do, and do better? As for the examples, we have nothing of Canada listed, but way too much of the US. Yes, there are probably an order of magnitude more American roadgeeks than British ones, but we don't need quite so many examples to get the point. (One US example is even listed twice because it involves two states.) I'd like to see the US list culled down so that the state-level subheaders can be removed. Then everything there would still need a footnote. As for notability, the deletionists will fail on that account. Look at the number of press sources we have from three major London newspapers (The Daily Mail, The Independent, The Telegraph), three major US newspapers (the LA Times, St. Louis Post-Dispatch and the Washington Post). I even have cited a smaller, but still "major" paper in Michigan that interviewed Chris Bessert, maintainer of the Michigan Highways website for a story on the history of an Interstate here. That plus the books mentioned would be enough to keep the deletionists at bay. Imzadi 1979 → 13:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
SABRE has recently had unsolicited requests to appear on BBC Local Radio (see this thread). We've already got one reference in this article to satisfy "one of the larger and most prominent communities of road enthusiasts online", but could this be another one to back up the notability claims? -- Ritchie333 (talk) 12:42, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Someone has tagged this section as original research with the rationale "It should have added it to the "Sites of interest to roadgeeks" section. There is nothing to mention, the whole section is original research and it will be removed in 3 weeks if it remains that way". Does anyone else have any opinions on this? -- Ritchie333 (talk) 16:02, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Is the list really needed? It seems awfully WP:CRUFTY... -- Admr Boltz 15:26, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
It seems to lack any coherent focus. I think railfanning and planespotting are written better, with much less external links and dubious lists. I'm not really in a position to rewite this article, but an editor with extensive knowledge on the subject ie NE2 could impart wisdom upon it. Buffaboy talk 23:52, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
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