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... one comprehensive article about the various parts of this river? The fact that there is a box listing all its components, with a separate article for each, makes for very complicated reading - and the whole thing is less than 100 miles* from start to finish at its longest. The River Medway article does that - why not these? Peter Shearan ( talk) 20:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I have now rewritten the entire article, so that we now have an overview of the whole river system. IMO the existing idea that for every tributary (well not every - there are some missing, such as the Sarre which is the third longest!) there is a need for a separate article is somewhat puzzling - especially since this is no proper summary for them all. The Environment Agency (EA) is quoted again and again, yet it carried out a Study Plan for the River Stour (using that title for the entire river) on this area (September 2006) Catchment Flood Management Plan, which gave quantities of information and showed the river as a whole and not made up of individual parts - it also listed every tributary and gave its exact lengths and gave the size of the catchment area - taking the River Stour as an organic whole.
It is important, too, that a proper map of the river is part of the article. The map shown is not at all accurate - and shows few names. It is the only way that a reader can see what the picture of the river system looks like.
In addition the table and its preceding paragraph is lifted whole from the Grove Ferry club - a copyvio. I have removed it.
Peter Shearan ( talk) 15:20, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I am copying the following taken from that that I posted on the River Great Stour article.
I really cannot see why we have to keep perpetuating the idea that in some way this river is three separate ones! I realise that there is some disparity with what the Environment Agency says in different references: this one, for example, certainly shows the Great Stour as one of those listed; however the Internal Drainage Board specifically local, says that it is responsible for the River Stour, and both have a map which shows the entire length of the river. IMO the fact that different names are given to parts of the river - the Upper Great Stour; the Great Stour itself; and then the River Stour cannot hide the fact that the same water is flowing through all of them. So this one cannot be a source of the Stour - it is surely just part of the river with a different name? Nor can this have an estuary like it says - it isn't the end of the river by any means. Finally the University of Liverpool study, with its map so much better than ours, says exactly what I am saying.
It seems to me that we need one article ( River Stour, Kent) which includes the whole river from Lenham to the sea. In it we use the recommended layout in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Rivers#Article Structure for that task. This includes the suggestion that a list of all tributaries is included:
Once we have done that article (and I have begun work on it) then all the others should follow - if it is considered to be necessary. The Kennington Stream is only 1.1 miles in length...
Peter Shearan ( talk) 14:44, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
According to this article, the pronunciation for the name of this river Stour (in Kent) is [ˈstaʊə] (rhyming with flower [ˈflaʊə]).
But, according to the authoritative LPD (Longman pronunciation dictionary, by professor John C. Wells), this Stour is "usually" (= ?) [stʊə] (rhyming with one pronunciation of sure, i.e. [ʃʊə]).
What is the true local pronunciation? Does anybody know? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.56.4.213 ( talk) 23:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Oppose In January 2008 an proposal was made to merge one of the tributaries. The template was incorrect and no discussion happened. No one fixed the template.
It is clear that these three article ( River Stour, Kent, River Great Stour and River Upper Great Stour) overlap significantly and all seem to be talking about what are essentially different names for different stretches of the same river.
Given the level of overlap, it seems sensible to merge the three article into one. The previous attempt to obtain a consensus on this clearly just ran into apathy, so I think the best thing to do is to plough ahead and do it. At least if there is a consensus against meger, this will flush it out.
By the way, I'm editing from a web cafe that doesnt seem to support login (I guess it has cookies forced off). I normally edit as User:chris_j_wood. -- 89.234.0.209 ( talk) 16:23, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
The article says:
But the only cite we have for the Stonar Cut (the one from the Thanet Centre for Archeology) has both text and maps that suggest that cut is and was purely a hydraulic feature, with sluices that would preclude navigation. So if it is indeed navigable, we need a different source. If not, we need to change the text. I've added a cite needed template. -- chris_j_wood ( talk) 17:27, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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... one comprehensive article about the various parts of this river? The fact that there is a box listing all its components, with a separate article for each, makes for very complicated reading - and the whole thing is less than 100 miles* from start to finish at its longest. The River Medway article does that - why not these? Peter Shearan ( talk) 20:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I have now rewritten the entire article, so that we now have an overview of the whole river system. IMO the existing idea that for every tributary (well not every - there are some missing, such as the Sarre which is the third longest!) there is a need for a separate article is somewhat puzzling - especially since this is no proper summary for them all. The Environment Agency (EA) is quoted again and again, yet it carried out a Study Plan for the River Stour (using that title for the entire river) on this area (September 2006) Catchment Flood Management Plan, which gave quantities of information and showed the river as a whole and not made up of individual parts - it also listed every tributary and gave its exact lengths and gave the size of the catchment area - taking the River Stour as an organic whole.
It is important, too, that a proper map of the river is part of the article. The map shown is not at all accurate - and shows few names. It is the only way that a reader can see what the picture of the river system looks like.
In addition the table and its preceding paragraph is lifted whole from the Grove Ferry club - a copyvio. I have removed it.
Peter Shearan ( talk) 15:20, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I am copying the following taken from that that I posted on the River Great Stour article.
I really cannot see why we have to keep perpetuating the idea that in some way this river is three separate ones! I realise that there is some disparity with what the Environment Agency says in different references: this one, for example, certainly shows the Great Stour as one of those listed; however the Internal Drainage Board specifically local, says that it is responsible for the River Stour, and both have a map which shows the entire length of the river. IMO the fact that different names are given to parts of the river - the Upper Great Stour; the Great Stour itself; and then the River Stour cannot hide the fact that the same water is flowing through all of them. So this one cannot be a source of the Stour - it is surely just part of the river with a different name? Nor can this have an estuary like it says - it isn't the end of the river by any means. Finally the University of Liverpool study, with its map so much better than ours, says exactly what I am saying.
It seems to me that we need one article ( River Stour, Kent) which includes the whole river from Lenham to the sea. In it we use the recommended layout in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Rivers#Article Structure for that task. This includes the suggestion that a list of all tributaries is included:
Once we have done that article (and I have begun work on it) then all the others should follow - if it is considered to be necessary. The Kennington Stream is only 1.1 miles in length...
Peter Shearan ( talk) 14:44, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
According to this article, the pronunciation for the name of this river Stour (in Kent) is [ˈstaʊə] (rhyming with flower [ˈflaʊə]).
But, according to the authoritative LPD (Longman pronunciation dictionary, by professor John C. Wells), this Stour is "usually" (= ?) [stʊə] (rhyming with one pronunciation of sure, i.e. [ʃʊə]).
What is the true local pronunciation? Does anybody know? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.56.4.213 ( talk) 23:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Oppose In January 2008 an proposal was made to merge one of the tributaries. The template was incorrect and no discussion happened. No one fixed the template.
It is clear that these three article ( River Stour, Kent, River Great Stour and River Upper Great Stour) overlap significantly and all seem to be talking about what are essentially different names for different stretches of the same river.
Given the level of overlap, it seems sensible to merge the three article into one. The previous attempt to obtain a consensus on this clearly just ran into apathy, so I think the best thing to do is to plough ahead and do it. At least if there is a consensus against meger, this will flush it out.
By the way, I'm editing from a web cafe that doesnt seem to support login (I guess it has cookies forced off). I normally edit as User:chris_j_wood. -- 89.234.0.209 ( talk) 16:23, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
The article says:
But the only cite we have for the Stonar Cut (the one from the Thanet Centre for Archeology) has both text and maps that suggest that cut is and was purely a hydraulic feature, with sluices that would preclude navigation. So if it is indeed navigable, we need a different source. If not, we need to change the text. I've added a cite needed template. -- chris_j_wood ( talk) 17:27, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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