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I don't think Greater Manchester is a county any longer? (It shouldn't be. Been far better if it had been strangled at birth as they say)
The river rises on Deerplay Moor - is this actually in Cliviger?
I think it should be made clear that the Irwell enters the city of Salford (at Clifton) before it enters Manchester.
According to page 91 of Hyde, M., O'Rourke, A. & Portland, P. (2004). Around the M60: Manchester's Orbital Motorway.
Altrincham: AMCD (Publishers) Ltd.
ISBN
1897762305.{{
cite book}}
: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link), the Irwell "rises as a spring in a field on Irwell Farm, north of Bacup in Lancashire". This contradicts the current wording in the article. Any body have any commentary about this discovery? --
Jza84 |
Talk 00:28, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
This page talks about Weddell Brook in Bury, which would seem to be here. It has been pinned a few times on Google Earth. Any thoughts? Parrot of Doom ( talk) 18:08, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1950/apr/18/river-irwell-pollution#S5CV0474P0-00744 is an interesting read regarding pollution of the river Parrot of Doom ( talk) 12:09, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I have found a good source of information on pollution - here, do a search for 'River Irwell'. Parrot of Doom ( talk) 16:44, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I came across this today: http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ewm/00features/424/00a.html
The 'Anaconda Cut', in Salford. Seems like a worthy addition to this article as a piece of civil engineering. I've looked on [1] and the location is just here, it curves northeast roughly following the curvy bit of Short St. Interestingly, unlike most changes, you can't really see where the old river was by looking at aerial photography. Parrot of Doom ( talk) 14:47, 5 September 2008 (UTC) And heres an image I 'borrowed' from a Facebook group ;) Flickr Parrot of Doom ( talk) 14:53, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
http://www.hipkiss.org/data/maps/michelin_michelin-guide-to-the-british-isles_1911_manchester_2008_2185_600.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/soundman/2830040495/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.115.128 ( talk) 15:03, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
There are a lot of Manchester Evening News sources on here, which is fine, however nearly all are missing either a page number, or author information. This information will be required to improve the article's rating, could whoever added them (presumably they have one of those online access accounts) please edit the references and add that information accordingly? Parrot of Doom ( talk) 13:14, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Let me have your thoughts on the map - I'm not sure the colours are quite right just now. Parrot of Doom ( talk) 20:30, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
That's excellent - I was struggling to read them on the full size map before but I can read them on both now. Richerman ( talk) 20:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Copied from my talk page:
I'm not sure about the length of some of the 20th century material, and I also have misgivings about the Mark Addy section. The sections on commerce are great though, I like how they focus on the competitive nature of the companies involved. Parrot of Doom (talk) 18:05, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Are we ready for GAC now? I think all the problems mentioned on the GM talk page have been fixed. Just one thing - is that picture of Radcliffe a touched-up photograph or a painting taken from a photograph? The light in the windows and on the church tower doesn't look natural and the lines along the river look drawn. Richerman ( talk) 17:35, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
This is the photocopied version, was that what you had in mind??
(<-) The Mersey and Irwell Navigation section is unsourced. Can we justify that to the reviewer? :S -- Jza84 | Talk 01:08, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Why are you still agonising over this? You'll never know if it's a GA until you nominate it. I think it is, I guess you think it is, so what are you waiting for? -- Malleus Fatuorum 01:09, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
The above is not transcluding onto this page, which is a minor nuisance, but the comments are all there and can be edited easily enough. If anyone knows how to fix it pls feel free, but its getting late and I am signing off now. Ben Mac Dui 23:43, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I know we're in the middle of a GAC, but thought it worth a mention that we have this image of the confluence of the Melock and Irwell. It looks like its of suitable quality for the article if we need/want it. -- Jza84 | Talk 12:38, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Pit-yacker has suggested we should geotag the Irwell but I'm not sure how it should be done. There are draft recommendations at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geographical_coordinates/Linear which say the main point should be the estuary/mouth but there isn't really one as it joins the Mersey. Should we go for the source, mid point and confluence with the Mersey - and if so, do all three go at the top of the article or just one of them, with the others in the text?
I have a quote from Frangopulo (1977) that say the River Irwell was described as "the most hard-worked and over-tasked stream in the universe" (Tradition in Action, p. 136). That quote was itself from Cooke Taylor, W (1842), Notes of a Tour in the Manufacturing Districts of Lancashire (2nd ed.) {{
citation}}
: Check date values in: |year=
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mismatch (
help). Might be worth a mention somewhere. --
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Talk 00:14, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
This section seems a bit huge. I wonder if there's a neater way of doing it? Perhaps some kind of collapsible wiki code, or fancy wiki toy? Parrot of Doom ( talk) 01:02, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
This has puzzled me for quite some time. Surely at their confluence (Irlam), the Irwell (aka MSC) appears to be the main river in that it is surely far wider than the 'little' Mersey. Compare the Mersey in say Sale with the Irwell in say Salford and there's no comparison, the Irwell is the larger river surely. Anybody else care to comment please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.202.100 ( talk) 20:04, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
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By my own measurements (i.e. original research on my part so cannot be included in the article), the length of the river from its traditional source - Irwell Spring - is 63km / 39 miles to the point at which it is subsumed in the Manchester Ship Canal and a further 13km / 8 miles to the point at which the Ship Canal/Irwell meets with the Mersey. The article describes the Irwell as extending to its confluence with the Mersey but employs a figure which relates only to the non-canalised part of the river (the reference is in a speech bubble in a community newsletter and doesn't go into any detail as to where the figure of 39 miles arises but it does match mine). Incidentally another headwater provides a marginally longer length (just 50m) than that from the spring - and anomalously, the spring does not connect with the watercourse itself on Ordnance Survey maps of any vintage. cheers Geopersona ( talk) 19:26, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
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I don't think Greater Manchester is a county any longer? (It shouldn't be. Been far better if it had been strangled at birth as they say)
The river rises on Deerplay Moor - is this actually in Cliviger?
I think it should be made clear that the Irwell enters the city of Salford (at Clifton) before it enters Manchester.
According to page 91 of Hyde, M., O'Rourke, A. & Portland, P. (2004). Around the M60: Manchester's Orbital Motorway.
Altrincham: AMCD (Publishers) Ltd.
ISBN
1897762305.{{
cite book}}
: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link), the Irwell "rises as a spring in a field on Irwell Farm, north of Bacup in Lancashire". This contradicts the current wording in the article. Any body have any commentary about this discovery? --
Jza84 |
Talk 00:28, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
This page talks about Weddell Brook in Bury, which would seem to be here. It has been pinned a few times on Google Earth. Any thoughts? Parrot of Doom ( talk) 18:08, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1950/apr/18/river-irwell-pollution#S5CV0474P0-00744 is an interesting read regarding pollution of the river Parrot of Doom ( talk) 12:09, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I have found a good source of information on pollution - here, do a search for 'River Irwell'. Parrot of Doom ( talk) 16:44, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I came across this today: http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ewm/00features/424/00a.html
The 'Anaconda Cut', in Salford. Seems like a worthy addition to this article as a piece of civil engineering. I've looked on [1] and the location is just here, it curves northeast roughly following the curvy bit of Short St. Interestingly, unlike most changes, you can't really see where the old river was by looking at aerial photography. Parrot of Doom ( talk) 14:47, 5 September 2008 (UTC) And heres an image I 'borrowed' from a Facebook group ;) Flickr Parrot of Doom ( talk) 14:53, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
http://www.hipkiss.org/data/maps/michelin_michelin-guide-to-the-british-isles_1911_manchester_2008_2185_600.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/soundman/2830040495/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.115.128 ( talk) 15:03, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
There are a lot of Manchester Evening News sources on here, which is fine, however nearly all are missing either a page number, or author information. This information will be required to improve the article's rating, could whoever added them (presumably they have one of those online access accounts) please edit the references and add that information accordingly? Parrot of Doom ( talk) 13:14, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Let me have your thoughts on the map - I'm not sure the colours are quite right just now. Parrot of Doom ( talk) 20:30, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
That's excellent - I was struggling to read them on the full size map before but I can read them on both now. Richerman ( talk) 20:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Copied from my talk page:
I'm not sure about the length of some of the 20th century material, and I also have misgivings about the Mark Addy section. The sections on commerce are great though, I like how they focus on the competitive nature of the companies involved. Parrot of Doom (talk) 18:05, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Are we ready for GAC now? I think all the problems mentioned on the GM talk page have been fixed. Just one thing - is that picture of Radcliffe a touched-up photograph or a painting taken from a photograph? The light in the windows and on the church tower doesn't look natural and the lines along the river look drawn. Richerman ( talk) 17:35, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
This is the photocopied version, was that what you had in mind??
(<-) The Mersey and Irwell Navigation section is unsourced. Can we justify that to the reviewer? :S -- Jza84 | Talk 01:08, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Why are you still agonising over this? You'll never know if it's a GA until you nominate it. I think it is, I guess you think it is, so what are you waiting for? -- Malleus Fatuorum 01:09, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
The above is not transcluding onto this page, which is a minor nuisance, but the comments are all there and can be edited easily enough. If anyone knows how to fix it pls feel free, but its getting late and I am signing off now. Ben Mac Dui 23:43, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I know we're in the middle of a GAC, but thought it worth a mention that we have this image of the confluence of the Melock and Irwell. It looks like its of suitable quality for the article if we need/want it. -- Jza84 | Talk 12:38, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Pit-yacker has suggested we should geotag the Irwell but I'm not sure how it should be done. There are draft recommendations at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geographical_coordinates/Linear which say the main point should be the estuary/mouth but there isn't really one as it joins the Mersey. Should we go for the source, mid point and confluence with the Mersey - and if so, do all three go at the top of the article or just one of them, with the others in the text?
I have a quote from Frangopulo (1977) that say the River Irwell was described as "the most hard-worked and over-tasked stream in the universe" (Tradition in Action, p. 136). That quote was itself from Cooke Taylor, W (1842), Notes of a Tour in the Manufacturing Districts of Lancashire (2nd ed.) {{
citation}}
: Check date values in: |year=
/ |date=
mismatch (
help). Might be worth a mention somewhere. --
Jza84 |
Talk 00:14, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
This section seems a bit huge. I wonder if there's a neater way of doing it? Perhaps some kind of collapsible wiki code, or fancy wiki toy? Parrot of Doom ( talk) 01:02, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
This has puzzled me for quite some time. Surely at their confluence (Irlam), the Irwell (aka MSC) appears to be the main river in that it is surely far wider than the 'little' Mersey. Compare the Mersey in say Sale with the Irwell in say Salford and there's no comparison, the Irwell is the larger river surely. Anybody else care to comment please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.202.100 ( talk) 20:04, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
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By my own measurements (i.e. original research on my part so cannot be included in the article), the length of the river from its traditional source - Irwell Spring - is 63km / 39 miles to the point at which it is subsumed in the Manchester Ship Canal and a further 13km / 8 miles to the point at which the Ship Canal/Irwell meets with the Mersey. The article describes the Irwell as extending to its confluence with the Mersey but employs a figure which relates only to the non-canalised part of the river (the reference is in a speech bubble in a community newsletter and doesn't go into any detail as to where the figure of 39 miles arises but it does match mine). Incidentally another headwater provides a marginally longer length (just 50m) than that from the spring - and anomalously, the spring does not connect with the watercourse itself on Ordnance Survey maps of any vintage. cheers Geopersona ( talk) 19:26, 15 January 2022 (UTC)