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Turkmenistans Democratic Party is a nationalist and conservative party that opposes LGBT rights and the country has slave labour. There are also several military juntas in Africa that could be added. I also feel countries like Uganda, Sudan, Equatorial Guinea, Somalia, Rwanda, Burundi, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran should be added as well as the monarchys in the middle east. I also noticed there weren't any lists for South American country even though several countries in South America have been dictatorships, notably Military Brazil, Chile under Pinochet, Peru under Fujimori, Paraguay under Stroessner as examples I also feel The Confederate States of America under the Democratic Party could be added too. TYMR ( talk) 16:07, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
It was a fascist state ... and one of the most infamous right wing dictatorships in history.Sources? It certainly was
part of the Axis powers, but it's not broadly considered to have been fascist or a dictatorship. - Rotary Engine talk 03:35, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Looking at these one by one:
Journal of Democracy. Uncertain as to the
reliability of the source; explicitly not peer reviewed. But that may be moot, because the text doesn't describe Afghanistan as a dictatorship. This source doesn't support inclusion.
Washington Post. Paywalled. What exact text from this source supports inclusion?
Human Rights Watch #1. Advocacy organisation, so best attributed in-text. But the text doesn't describe Afghanistan as a dictatorship. This source doesn't support inclusion.
Human Rights Watch #2. As above. This source doesn't support inclusion.
Politico EU. Afghanistan & Taliban are not the primary focus of this source. But that may be moot, because the text doesn't describe Afghanistan as a dictatorship. This source doesn't support inclusion.
This article is Right-wing dictatorship. It's not Authoritarian regimes, nor Right-wing totalitarian regimes. To be included we need sources which describe the regime as both right-wing and a dictatorship. Sources don't seem to describe Afghanistan under the Taliban as the latter. - Rotary Engine talk 18:31, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Looking at these one by one:
WIONews. Video doesn't play. "About Us" does not inspire confidence that this is a reliable source. Does the source describe Afghanistan as a dictatorship?
Eurotopics. News aggregator; we would prefer to use the original sources. The only one which mentions "dictatorship" is La Repubblica, which attributes it to Alberto Cairo, Red Cross envoy to Afghanistan
. This source doesn't support inclusion.
Britannica. Does not describe Afghanistan as a dictatorship. This source doesn't support inclusion.
The Sun. Deprecated source; per WP:RSP.
The sources need to be reliable and describe Afghanistan under the Taliban as both right-wing and a dictatorship? Is this unclear? - Rotary Engine talk 19:38, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
an advocate of political reform, constitutionalism and pluralism in Afghanistanin the Fair Observer author page. Putting the above together, I'm inclined to think we reach at best attributed opinion, not reliable for statement of fact. The source text is
The Taliban government currently installed in Afghanistan is not simply another dictatorship.That's not a particularly strong statement in support. It's more of an aside. Combining with the other sources which do not describe Afghanistan under the Taliban as a dictatorship, we're looking at a minority opinion, which raises WP:DUE concerns. - Rotary Engine talk 05:15, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
African right-wing dictatorships should be included too. They include Rwanda under Habyarimana, Uganda, Sudan, Chad, Rhodesia (Zimbabwe), Apartheid South Africa, Zaire (Democratic Republic of the Congo), Togo under Eyadéma, Equatorial Guinea, Cameroon. Also notably the several military juntas in Africa TYMR ( talk) 23:54, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Considering Lukashenko a right-wing dictator is absurd, since he has been a continuator of the Soviet legacy (to a much greater extent than Putin). Not only are there left-wing parties in his coalition, but if we considered Putin's United Russia party to be center-right, it would be to the left of Putin's party, that is, he would be a center-left dictator.
On the other hand, he would not be totalitarian, only authoritarian. 186.32.217.46 ( talk) 23:59, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
I love how the criteria for this article is “misonia, homophibia, religion = right-wing”". It's very disgusting to even think of portraying someone who praised Hitler as left-wing. – Vipz ( talk) 23:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
it leaves me with the image of a politician who took a turn towards the left: Your image of Lukashenko is original research.
"After Russia’s decision to move toward charging market prices for its energy deliveries, and in the wake of the global financial crisis..."That is, they were forced by circumstances. ComradeHektor ( talk) 00:44, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
There are a large number of sources that do not mention anything about the political orientation of a politician or a government. For example in the case of the Syrian Republic or many African dictatorships. I think many discussions on this page occur for the same reason. 186.32.216.85 ( talk) 03:07, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
I believed Singapore should remain on the list despite certain people disputing and removing it as:
- The ruling party PAP is mentioned as a socially conservative party that has ruled Singapore uninterrupted since independence and attempt's to weaken the opposition parties and gerrymanders seats
- Dictatorships could still hold elections such as South Korea under Park Chung Hee (prior Yusin) and Turkey under Erdogan.
- Singapore actually oppresses communist and socialist such as "Operation Spectrum" and jailing Chia Thye Poh - Singapore ranks poorly in press freedom index - Singapore arrest pollical dissidents Mhaot ( talk) 11:51, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Recently re-added with two sources:; both bare URLs only https://uwe-repository.worktribe.com/output/11141433/from-dictatorship-to-democracy-in-south-africa https://www.sahistory.org.za/archive/chapter-1-victory-nationalist-party-1948
The first is an abstract for an article which is accepted for publication in German publisher Mohr Siebeck's series, "Beiträge zur Rechtsgeschichte des 20. Jahrhunderts". The publisher & series seem reliable; but the article is not yet published.
The second is taken from "From: Lessons of the 1950s By Richard Monroe, March-May 1984". This was originally produced in "Inqaba ya basebenzi #13", published by the Marxist Workers' Tendency of the African National Congress. This is not a reliable source.
Removing pending discussion. - Rotary Engine talk 08:17, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
The list currently includes a number of African colonies of European nations. These were not independent nations with their own dictators. Should these continue to be listed separately or are they better covered under the listing for the colonising nation? Rotary Engine talk 21:09, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
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Turkmenistans Democratic Party is a nationalist and conservative party that opposes LGBT rights and the country has slave labour. There are also several military juntas in Africa that could be added. I also feel countries like Uganda, Sudan, Equatorial Guinea, Somalia, Rwanda, Burundi, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran should be added as well as the monarchys in the middle east. I also noticed there weren't any lists for South American country even though several countries in South America have been dictatorships, notably Military Brazil, Chile under Pinochet, Peru under Fujimori, Paraguay under Stroessner as examples I also feel The Confederate States of America under the Democratic Party could be added too. TYMR ( talk) 16:07, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
It was a fascist state ... and one of the most infamous right wing dictatorships in history.Sources? It certainly was
part of the Axis powers, but it's not broadly considered to have been fascist or a dictatorship. - Rotary Engine talk 03:35, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Looking at these one by one:
Journal of Democracy. Uncertain as to the
reliability of the source; explicitly not peer reviewed. But that may be moot, because the text doesn't describe Afghanistan as a dictatorship. This source doesn't support inclusion.
Washington Post. Paywalled. What exact text from this source supports inclusion?
Human Rights Watch #1. Advocacy organisation, so best attributed in-text. But the text doesn't describe Afghanistan as a dictatorship. This source doesn't support inclusion.
Human Rights Watch #2. As above. This source doesn't support inclusion.
Politico EU. Afghanistan & Taliban are not the primary focus of this source. But that may be moot, because the text doesn't describe Afghanistan as a dictatorship. This source doesn't support inclusion.
This article is Right-wing dictatorship. It's not Authoritarian regimes, nor Right-wing totalitarian regimes. To be included we need sources which describe the regime as both right-wing and a dictatorship. Sources don't seem to describe Afghanistan under the Taliban as the latter. - Rotary Engine talk 18:31, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Looking at these one by one:
WIONews. Video doesn't play. "About Us" does not inspire confidence that this is a reliable source. Does the source describe Afghanistan as a dictatorship?
Eurotopics. News aggregator; we would prefer to use the original sources. The only one which mentions "dictatorship" is La Repubblica, which attributes it to Alberto Cairo, Red Cross envoy to Afghanistan
. This source doesn't support inclusion.
Britannica. Does not describe Afghanistan as a dictatorship. This source doesn't support inclusion.
The Sun. Deprecated source; per WP:RSP.
The sources need to be reliable and describe Afghanistan under the Taliban as both right-wing and a dictatorship? Is this unclear? - Rotary Engine talk 19:38, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
an advocate of political reform, constitutionalism and pluralism in Afghanistanin the Fair Observer author page. Putting the above together, I'm inclined to think we reach at best attributed opinion, not reliable for statement of fact. The source text is
The Taliban government currently installed in Afghanistan is not simply another dictatorship.That's not a particularly strong statement in support. It's more of an aside. Combining with the other sources which do not describe Afghanistan under the Taliban as a dictatorship, we're looking at a minority opinion, which raises WP:DUE concerns. - Rotary Engine talk 05:15, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
African right-wing dictatorships should be included too. They include Rwanda under Habyarimana, Uganda, Sudan, Chad, Rhodesia (Zimbabwe), Apartheid South Africa, Zaire (Democratic Republic of the Congo), Togo under Eyadéma, Equatorial Guinea, Cameroon. Also notably the several military juntas in Africa TYMR ( talk) 23:54, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Considering Lukashenko a right-wing dictator is absurd, since he has been a continuator of the Soviet legacy (to a much greater extent than Putin). Not only are there left-wing parties in his coalition, but if we considered Putin's United Russia party to be center-right, it would be to the left of Putin's party, that is, he would be a center-left dictator.
On the other hand, he would not be totalitarian, only authoritarian. 186.32.217.46 ( talk) 23:59, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
I love how the criteria for this article is “misonia, homophibia, religion = right-wing”". It's very disgusting to even think of portraying someone who praised Hitler as left-wing. – Vipz ( talk) 23:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
it leaves me with the image of a politician who took a turn towards the left: Your image of Lukashenko is original research.
"After Russia’s decision to move toward charging market prices for its energy deliveries, and in the wake of the global financial crisis..."That is, they were forced by circumstances. ComradeHektor ( talk) 00:44, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
There are a large number of sources that do not mention anything about the political orientation of a politician or a government. For example in the case of the Syrian Republic or many African dictatorships. I think many discussions on this page occur for the same reason. 186.32.216.85 ( talk) 03:07, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
I believed Singapore should remain on the list despite certain people disputing and removing it as:
- The ruling party PAP is mentioned as a socially conservative party that has ruled Singapore uninterrupted since independence and attempt's to weaken the opposition parties and gerrymanders seats
- Dictatorships could still hold elections such as South Korea under Park Chung Hee (prior Yusin) and Turkey under Erdogan.
- Singapore actually oppresses communist and socialist such as "Operation Spectrum" and jailing Chia Thye Poh - Singapore ranks poorly in press freedom index - Singapore arrest pollical dissidents Mhaot ( talk) 11:51, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Recently re-added with two sources:; both bare URLs only https://uwe-repository.worktribe.com/output/11141433/from-dictatorship-to-democracy-in-south-africa https://www.sahistory.org.za/archive/chapter-1-victory-nationalist-party-1948
The first is an abstract for an article which is accepted for publication in German publisher Mohr Siebeck's series, "Beiträge zur Rechtsgeschichte des 20. Jahrhunderts". The publisher & series seem reliable; but the article is not yet published.
The second is taken from "From: Lessons of the 1950s By Richard Monroe, March-May 1984". This was originally produced in "Inqaba ya basebenzi #13", published by the Marxist Workers' Tendency of the African National Congress. This is not a reliable source.
Removing pending discussion. - Rotary Engine talk 08:17, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
The list currently includes a number of African colonies of European nations. These were not independent nations with their own dictators. Should these continue to be listed separately or are they better covered under the listing for the colonising nation? Rotary Engine talk 21:09, 11 March 2024 (UTC)