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This article misrepresents the actions of Brigham Young following the murder of Joseph Smith. For example, the article claims that Young formed a rival faction separate from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and took control of Nauvoo.
Young did nothing of the sort. In conjunction with the other apostles (at least those remaining after a few decided to do things their own way and left the Church), Young followed established procedures for identifying the succeeding prophet. When this process was complete, this governing body felt inspired to present Young as the successor. He acknowledged this calling and asked for the support of the membership. As the new prophet and president of the Church, Young continued to uphold the existing organization and the Church continued forward.
Several of the articles concerning LDS denominations mislead the reader into thinking that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints fell apart after the death of Joseph Smith, and that Brigham Young was just one of several power-hungry apostates who sought to persuade others into forming their own groups. In actuality, Young and the vast majority of church members continued to follow the doctrines and principles revealed through Joseph Smith and had nothing in common with those who chose to disregard them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.17.129.22 ( talk • contribs) 19:48, 24 June 2005
Agreed Nrl103 ( talk) 19:28, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
Can you please site the reference in which "Young followed the established procedures for indentifying the succeeding prophet". This is POV and needs to be either cited or cleaned up. Historical records show that Young was elected President under a vote of 5 representatives from the Quorum of 12. The only procedure I have found historically is that the president must be elected under a Quorum majortiy, which would be 7. Please clean up your POV.
The previous paragraph is not mine and was not signed by anyone. Please clean up your POV that Sidney Rigdon was "arguably the most important and influential Latter Day Saint leader after the movement's founder himself, Joseph Smith, Jr. When Smith was assassinated." This is POV and there is no fact in it unless you can cite a concrete source that doesn't cite POV. And in general, the article reads like an editorial. Neutrality? Brettholomew21 ( talk) 10:58, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Whoever proposed this merge doesn't have a clue about this Church or what it represents. Yes, William Bickerton converted to Mormonism under Sidney Ridgon's influence, but Bickerton broke with Rigdon in 1846. The Ridgonite Church went on to other parts of Pennsylvania while Bickerton remained behind in Monongahela. Bickerton was largely a self-taught (autodidact) Mormon and founded his own Church completely independent of Rigdon. Therefore, this suggested merge is ridiculous. The two Churches are entirely separate and independent of each other. StudierMalMarburg 16:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
If you are going to use a tag (I find almost all of them personally obnoxious), at least discuss what your concerns are on the talk page. Why do you believe this church schism is not notable? Because it was small? Because it was brief? or because the article needs to be expanded and explained in a more comprehensive fashion. Please have the courtesy to explain when "tagging". Thank you. WBardwin 08:17, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I guess when I look at this page there are three references. There is also a direct citation from an original newspaper. For a smaller article/subject I am not sure how this is not notable. What else needs added? I simply disagree with the tag. The article has enough info to be deemed notable. No information has shown anything to the contrary. Jcg5029 02:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
The sources in this article are reliable and this tag is ludacris. Many of these, yes, are secondary sources. Secondary sources that make this article notable. The Messanger is a newspaper which quotes the term referencing this group of people. I am assuming good faith that McKay means well but is just wrong on this one. I have removed the tag. Jcg5029 01:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Sure, First of all the Messanger and Advocate quote gives first hand quotes of the world view of the Rigdonites at the time of the split in the Church. I believe a direct quote of the world view of the Rigdonites is notable.
Second, Sidney Rigdon's biography. It covers his life, including his latter years, when he lead the Rigdonite group and it contains valuable coverage of the Rigdonites.
Third, The Church of Jesus Christ's History. This group separated from the Rigdonites and detail concerning why is included in the History which includes a lot of valuable information about the Rigdonites at the time.
Fourth, Rigdon's appeal. Haven't read it. May I assume it is his response to the LDS Church? If so, then it also includes the world view of the Rigdonite group. Jcg5029 18:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Does the page need a lot of work? YES! Could it have more sources and references? Yep! Is there enough secondary coverage about the Rigdonites and their world view/history for this page to be considered noable. Absolutely. Jcg5029 18:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
If McKay still does not accept the sources on this page, should the page be merged with Sidney Rigdon? I feel it is notable in and of itself (and so does McKay but he still applied the tag). But maybe I am wrong and the page should be merged. Just figured I would throw it out there. Jcg5029 01:08, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
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This article misrepresents the actions of Brigham Young following the murder of Joseph Smith. For example, the article claims that Young formed a rival faction separate from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and took control of Nauvoo.
Young did nothing of the sort. In conjunction with the other apostles (at least those remaining after a few decided to do things their own way and left the Church), Young followed established procedures for identifying the succeeding prophet. When this process was complete, this governing body felt inspired to present Young as the successor. He acknowledged this calling and asked for the support of the membership. As the new prophet and president of the Church, Young continued to uphold the existing organization and the Church continued forward.
Several of the articles concerning LDS denominations mislead the reader into thinking that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints fell apart after the death of Joseph Smith, and that Brigham Young was just one of several power-hungry apostates who sought to persuade others into forming their own groups. In actuality, Young and the vast majority of church members continued to follow the doctrines and principles revealed through Joseph Smith and had nothing in common with those who chose to disregard them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.17.129.22 ( talk • contribs) 19:48, 24 June 2005
Agreed Nrl103 ( talk) 19:28, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
Can you please site the reference in which "Young followed the established procedures for indentifying the succeeding prophet". This is POV and needs to be either cited or cleaned up. Historical records show that Young was elected President under a vote of 5 representatives from the Quorum of 12. The only procedure I have found historically is that the president must be elected under a Quorum majortiy, which would be 7. Please clean up your POV.
The previous paragraph is not mine and was not signed by anyone. Please clean up your POV that Sidney Rigdon was "arguably the most important and influential Latter Day Saint leader after the movement's founder himself, Joseph Smith, Jr. When Smith was assassinated." This is POV and there is no fact in it unless you can cite a concrete source that doesn't cite POV. And in general, the article reads like an editorial. Neutrality? Brettholomew21 ( talk) 10:58, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Whoever proposed this merge doesn't have a clue about this Church or what it represents. Yes, William Bickerton converted to Mormonism under Sidney Ridgon's influence, but Bickerton broke with Rigdon in 1846. The Ridgonite Church went on to other parts of Pennsylvania while Bickerton remained behind in Monongahela. Bickerton was largely a self-taught (autodidact) Mormon and founded his own Church completely independent of Rigdon. Therefore, this suggested merge is ridiculous. The two Churches are entirely separate and independent of each other. StudierMalMarburg 16:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
If you are going to use a tag (I find almost all of them personally obnoxious), at least discuss what your concerns are on the talk page. Why do you believe this church schism is not notable? Because it was small? Because it was brief? or because the article needs to be expanded and explained in a more comprehensive fashion. Please have the courtesy to explain when "tagging". Thank you. WBardwin 08:17, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I guess when I look at this page there are three references. There is also a direct citation from an original newspaper. For a smaller article/subject I am not sure how this is not notable. What else needs added? I simply disagree with the tag. The article has enough info to be deemed notable. No information has shown anything to the contrary. Jcg5029 02:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
The sources in this article are reliable and this tag is ludacris. Many of these, yes, are secondary sources. Secondary sources that make this article notable. The Messanger is a newspaper which quotes the term referencing this group of people. I am assuming good faith that McKay means well but is just wrong on this one. I have removed the tag. Jcg5029 01:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Sure, First of all the Messanger and Advocate quote gives first hand quotes of the world view of the Rigdonites at the time of the split in the Church. I believe a direct quote of the world view of the Rigdonites is notable.
Second, Sidney Rigdon's biography. It covers his life, including his latter years, when he lead the Rigdonite group and it contains valuable coverage of the Rigdonites.
Third, The Church of Jesus Christ's History. This group separated from the Rigdonites and detail concerning why is included in the History which includes a lot of valuable information about the Rigdonites at the time.
Fourth, Rigdon's appeal. Haven't read it. May I assume it is his response to the LDS Church? If so, then it also includes the world view of the Rigdonite group. Jcg5029 18:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Does the page need a lot of work? YES! Could it have more sources and references? Yep! Is there enough secondary coverage about the Rigdonites and their world view/history for this page to be considered noable. Absolutely. Jcg5029 18:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
If McKay still does not accept the sources on this page, should the page be merged with Sidney Rigdon? I feel it is notable in and of itself (and so does McKay but he still applied the tag). But maybe I am wrong and the page should be merged. Just figured I would throw it out there. Jcg5029 01:08, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
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