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I took out the reference to "ergodic literature." I don't think this is a good example of ergodic literature as Espen Aarseth defines it -- just reading an accent doesn't require physical interaction from the reader, the way HTML text or video games do. That ok? Is there some definition of ergodic I'm missing? -- Gus andrews ( talk) 21:30, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
"at least 2000 years from the present": this isn't necessarily true, is it? Given the variation in language is more like 300 years, I assumed that Goodparley is wrong and "Our Count" is in fact simply A.D. and not a restart. — Ashley Y 06:47, 2004 Nov 12 (UTC)
We do hear a little bit about the world beyond Inland. Doesn't Riddley find the Yellowstone on the corpse of a courier from the continent washed up on the seashore? The inference is that everything beyond Inland is pretty much the same. Maybe someone should write piece in the Riddley Walker universe dealing with life in Outland.
ThePeg
16:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I removed this paragraph, which was added for some reason under "external links"--
--because it isn't true: "2347 O.C." doesn't tell us the date of the story at all, precisely because they started counting after an unspecified long time. But I will fix the phrase "hundreds or even thousands of years" to simply "thousands of years", since it's been at least 2347 years....nah, on second thought there's no proof that they started over at zero. Leaving it as ambiguous as Hoban seems to have intended. ←
Hob
07:33, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I think I rememeber reading somewhere, possibly in the foreword to one of the newer editions that Russell Hoban said his English or specifically his spelling suffered due to writing this book. If this could be confirmed, it should be added to the article IMHO Nil Einne 18:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
One of the things that always struck me with this book was the timing. It all takes place (from memory) over a couple of days, with Riddley walking all over Kent in a matter of a few hours. Does that ring a bell with anyone else? -- Mat Hardy (Affentitten) 05:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Death in Norse paganism#Death and eroticism just got mentioned on the Main Page and the first thing that popped to mind was the various stories told in Riddley Walker regarding "doing it with Aunty." Anybody think this deserves mention in the article? __ Just plain Bill ( talk) 13:34, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Further to the connection between Eusa and the USA: The two are phonologically similar. However, the actual nation-state (here a gestalt together with the scientific establishment) seems to be actually represented by Mr. Clevver, who steals Eusa's (Oppenheim's) knowledge and puts it to use in bombs/'barms'. Riddley watches the two Showmen argue about Eusa's decision to blame himself for the deaths and Bad Times, and whether or not guilt is evidence of responsibility. The trope of scientific progress is invoked: 'someone would've discovered it anyway'.
Eusa could be considered the story of Oppenheim, anonymised and recast in a Promethean, mythic aspect. -- 86.152.88.234 ( talk) 15:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
I only meant to change a few words, but I ended up taking huge redundant chunks from part of the article. I think i've managed to cut away quite a lot of chaff, sorry if I stepped on any toes! -- 90.206.122.212 ( talk) 23:25, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
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The core of this article is rather slight, with just over 100 words covering the plot and themes of the novel, and it has not been much worked on of late. Quite a bit of earlier material has been removed as unsourced and suspected WP:OR, but it should be possible to find equivalent sourced material.
At the very least the article could do with a better plot summary, and there really ought to be something about the language, which, after all, has been one of the main focuses of critical appreciation and something many visitors to this page will probably be coming here for. Perhaps some discussion of the main themes and characters, as in earlier versions, would not be out of place, too.
The novel has been the subject of a great deal of critical writing and I have added a list of about 20 articles, which can be drawn on for expansion. Personally, I'd like to see the inline references replaced by shortened footnotes (which make multiple refs to a single source easier and produce a more coherent-looking bibliography), but we'll need to stick with the inline style unless there's a consensus for change (in line with WP:CITEVAR).-- Pfold ( talk) 22:41, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
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The following counts as Own Research by me, but it can be used as a first stop for further research for those looking for authoritative citations. I remember when the book came out there were several newspaper and magazine articles which clarified a lot of the place names (which are obvious if you have an Ordnance Survey map of the area, anyway). Also, whatever you may read or hear from people unfamiliar with rural Kent in the 1960s/1970s, the language in the novel is clearly based on the old north and east Kent rural dialects which were surviving at that time (though it does include Estuarine, and a slight taste of Cockney rhyming slang here and there). As far as I am aware, the old speakers of that dialect are all now dead. I lived alongside some of them near Canterbury for ten years in the 60s and seventies, and I can still speak it, a little. It had its own lexis, which makes it a true dialect in linguistic terms. A researcher came down from Leeds University in the 60s and recorded some of the east Kent dialect speakers whom I knew well. Those recordings are still in the archives of dialect at one of the departments of Leeds University.
For your information, the following is the list of place names which I decoded, using an OS map, in 1982, with the help of local dialect speakers (farmers who had been there for generations). Obviously you can't move it straight into the article, but it might help you find a citation for some of them if you are googling for that.
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I took out the reference to "ergodic literature." I don't think this is a good example of ergodic literature as Espen Aarseth defines it -- just reading an accent doesn't require physical interaction from the reader, the way HTML text or video games do. That ok? Is there some definition of ergodic I'm missing? -- Gus andrews ( talk) 21:30, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
"at least 2000 years from the present": this isn't necessarily true, is it? Given the variation in language is more like 300 years, I assumed that Goodparley is wrong and "Our Count" is in fact simply A.D. and not a restart. — Ashley Y 06:47, 2004 Nov 12 (UTC)
We do hear a little bit about the world beyond Inland. Doesn't Riddley find the Yellowstone on the corpse of a courier from the continent washed up on the seashore? The inference is that everything beyond Inland is pretty much the same. Maybe someone should write piece in the Riddley Walker universe dealing with life in Outland.
ThePeg
16:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I removed this paragraph, which was added for some reason under "external links"--
--because it isn't true: "2347 O.C." doesn't tell us the date of the story at all, precisely because they started counting after an unspecified long time. But I will fix the phrase "hundreds or even thousands of years" to simply "thousands of years", since it's been at least 2347 years....nah, on second thought there's no proof that they started over at zero. Leaving it as ambiguous as Hoban seems to have intended. ←
Hob
07:33, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I think I rememeber reading somewhere, possibly in the foreword to one of the newer editions that Russell Hoban said his English or specifically his spelling suffered due to writing this book. If this could be confirmed, it should be added to the article IMHO Nil Einne 18:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
One of the things that always struck me with this book was the timing. It all takes place (from memory) over a couple of days, with Riddley walking all over Kent in a matter of a few hours. Does that ring a bell with anyone else? -- Mat Hardy (Affentitten) 05:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Death in Norse paganism#Death and eroticism just got mentioned on the Main Page and the first thing that popped to mind was the various stories told in Riddley Walker regarding "doing it with Aunty." Anybody think this deserves mention in the article? __ Just plain Bill ( talk) 13:34, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Further to the connection between Eusa and the USA: The two are phonologically similar. However, the actual nation-state (here a gestalt together with the scientific establishment) seems to be actually represented by Mr. Clevver, who steals Eusa's (Oppenheim's) knowledge and puts it to use in bombs/'barms'. Riddley watches the two Showmen argue about Eusa's decision to blame himself for the deaths and Bad Times, and whether or not guilt is evidence of responsibility. The trope of scientific progress is invoked: 'someone would've discovered it anyway'.
Eusa could be considered the story of Oppenheim, anonymised and recast in a Promethean, mythic aspect. -- 86.152.88.234 ( talk) 15:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
I only meant to change a few words, but I ended up taking huge redundant chunks from part of the article. I think i've managed to cut away quite a lot of chaff, sorry if I stepped on any toes! -- 90.206.122.212 ( talk) 23:25, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
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The core of this article is rather slight, with just over 100 words covering the plot and themes of the novel, and it has not been much worked on of late. Quite a bit of earlier material has been removed as unsourced and suspected WP:OR, but it should be possible to find equivalent sourced material.
At the very least the article could do with a better plot summary, and there really ought to be something about the language, which, after all, has been one of the main focuses of critical appreciation and something many visitors to this page will probably be coming here for. Perhaps some discussion of the main themes and characters, as in earlier versions, would not be out of place, too.
The novel has been the subject of a great deal of critical writing and I have added a list of about 20 articles, which can be drawn on for expansion. Personally, I'd like to see the inline references replaced by shortened footnotes (which make multiple refs to a single source easier and produce a more coherent-looking bibliography), but we'll need to stick with the inline style unless there's a consensus for change (in line with WP:CITEVAR).-- Pfold ( talk) 22:41, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
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The following counts as Own Research by me, but it can be used as a first stop for further research for those looking for authoritative citations. I remember when the book came out there were several newspaper and magazine articles which clarified a lot of the place names (which are obvious if you have an Ordnance Survey map of the area, anyway). Also, whatever you may read or hear from people unfamiliar with rural Kent in the 1960s/1970s, the language in the novel is clearly based on the old north and east Kent rural dialects which were surviving at that time (though it does include Estuarine, and a slight taste of Cockney rhyming slang here and there). As far as I am aware, the old speakers of that dialect are all now dead. I lived alongside some of them near Canterbury for ten years in the 60s and seventies, and I can still speak it, a little. It had its own lexis, which makes it a true dialect in linguistic terms. A researcher came down from Leeds University in the 60s and recorded some of the east Kent dialect speakers whom I knew well. Those recordings are still in the archives of dialect at one of the departments of Leeds University.
For your information, the following is the list of place names which I decoded, using an OS map, in 1982, with the help of local dialect speakers (farmers who had been there for generations). Obviously you can't move it straight into the article, but it might help you find a citation for some of them if you are googling for that.