This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to
join the project and
contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the
documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
Richard Wendene is within the scope of WikiProject Catholicism, an attempt to better organize and improve the quality of information in articles related to the
Catholic Church. For more information, visit the
project page.CatholicismWikipedia:WikiProject CatholicismTemplate:WikiProject CatholicismCatholicism articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Kent, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the county of
Kent in
South East England on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.KentWikipedia:WikiProject KentTemplate:WikiProject KentKent-related articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Middle Ages, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
the Middle Ages on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Middle AgesWikipedia:WikiProject Middle AgesTemplate:WikiProject Middle AgesMiddle Ages articles
Note that a local history written in 1848 is considered to be superceeded by the Fasti - which are the "go to" for ecclesiastical tenure and information in medieval English history. A 1971 source will always be much more authoritative than an 1848 source, especially when they conflict.
Ealdgyth -
Talk19:04, 30 December 2014 (UTC)reply
The source for "official of the bishop" states that he was "Bp.'s official and rector of Bromley" - which means he was an official of the bishop. Probably a clerk who did assorted jobs for the bishop.
Ealdgyth -
Talk23:38, 30 December 2014 (UTC)reply
NO. The source does NOT state uniequivically that he was from the place in Essex, merely that he possibly was from. Nor is anything said about him entering "holy orders" in the Fasti - so inserting that statement is inaccurate - he may have entered holy orders before his appointment to Bromly, but he may have entered them afterwards too - the source says nothing about that. Nor do we use primary sources such as digitized manuscripts from the British Library as sources. Nor does the Handbook say he died in Kent. You cannot just add information in without making sure that the sources given support the information. Please revert yourself.
Ealdgyth -
Talk23:42, 30 December 2014 (UTC)reply
I'm going to revert these additions. Apart from my trust in Ealdgyth's scholarship, I cannot countenance "hailed from" as an Americanism in an article like this one. --
John (
talk)
02:11, 31 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Neither the Fasti nor the Handbook make any connection between this bishop and a "richard" who was bishop of Bangor. I agree. And the supposed source given on the
Bishop of Bangor page (
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk here does not support this either...the "bangor" is crossed OUT which would imply that it was wrong. We don't interpret primary sources on Wikipedia either - we use secondary sources - which is what the Handbook and Fasti are.
Ealdgyth -
Talk16:52, 19 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Quite right. I also did a web search and could find no evidence outside of this article for a Richard Wendene or a Richard de Wendene ever being a Bishop of Bangor. Unfortunately some editors often gets their facts in a knot together with a metaphorical garment.
Anglicanus (
talk)
17:23, 19 April 2015 (UTC)reply
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to
join the project and
contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the
documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
Richard Wendene is within the scope of WikiProject Catholicism, an attempt to better organize and improve the quality of information in articles related to the
Catholic Church. For more information, visit the
project page.CatholicismWikipedia:WikiProject CatholicismTemplate:WikiProject CatholicismCatholicism articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Kent, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the county of
Kent in
South East England on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.KentWikipedia:WikiProject KentTemplate:WikiProject KentKent-related articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Middle Ages, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
the Middle Ages on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Middle AgesWikipedia:WikiProject Middle AgesTemplate:WikiProject Middle AgesMiddle Ages articles
Note that a local history written in 1848 is considered to be superceeded by the Fasti - which are the "go to" for ecclesiastical tenure and information in medieval English history. A 1971 source will always be much more authoritative than an 1848 source, especially when they conflict.
Ealdgyth -
Talk19:04, 30 December 2014 (UTC)reply
The source for "official of the bishop" states that he was "Bp.'s official and rector of Bromley" - which means he was an official of the bishop. Probably a clerk who did assorted jobs for the bishop.
Ealdgyth -
Talk23:38, 30 December 2014 (UTC)reply
NO. The source does NOT state uniequivically that he was from the place in Essex, merely that he possibly was from. Nor is anything said about him entering "holy orders" in the Fasti - so inserting that statement is inaccurate - he may have entered holy orders before his appointment to Bromly, but he may have entered them afterwards too - the source says nothing about that. Nor do we use primary sources such as digitized manuscripts from the British Library as sources. Nor does the Handbook say he died in Kent. You cannot just add information in without making sure that the sources given support the information. Please revert yourself.
Ealdgyth -
Talk23:42, 30 December 2014 (UTC)reply
I'm going to revert these additions. Apart from my trust in Ealdgyth's scholarship, I cannot countenance "hailed from" as an Americanism in an article like this one. --
John (
talk)
02:11, 31 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Neither the Fasti nor the Handbook make any connection between this bishop and a "richard" who was bishop of Bangor. I agree. And the supposed source given on the
Bishop of Bangor page (
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk here does not support this either...the "bangor" is crossed OUT which would imply that it was wrong. We don't interpret primary sources on Wikipedia either - we use secondary sources - which is what the Handbook and Fasti are.
Ealdgyth -
Talk16:52, 19 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Quite right. I also did a web search and could find no evidence outside of this article for a Richard Wendene or a Richard de Wendene ever being a Bishop of Bangor. Unfortunately some editors often gets their facts in a knot together with a metaphorical garment.
Anglicanus (
talk)
17:23, 19 April 2015 (UTC)reply