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Under the Military section of Career, license is spelled wrong(as licence)in the second paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.131.72.169 ( talk) 00:54, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
The Gold & Silver Pawn Shop was opened in 1989, not 1988, as the article incorrectly states two times in the article - in the lead and in the "Business and reality television" section. That's wrong. Actually, Rick Harrison (not Richard) received a license to pawn in April 1988, but the store did not actually open for business until 1989. Please correct the year in both places. Also, I would recommend changing the word "founded" to "opened" in both places. Here is the source to verify this information, which is used in the Pawn Stars article:
<ref name="Las Vegas Weeky 2010">{{cite news|last=Katsilometes|first=John|title=Pawn shop boys|url=http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/news/2010/apr/08/pawn-shop-boys/|accessdate=June 14, 2013|newspaper=Las Vegas Weekly|date=April 8, 2010}}</ref>
You can just paste the full cite above right next to the year in the first usage, and just use <ref name="Las Vegas Weeky 2010"/> next to the year in the second usage.
Thanks. -- 76.189.109.155 ( talk) 04:40, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
What's wrong with placing the citation at the end of the sentence? Nightscream ( talk) 14:46, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, why don't you sign up for a username account and fix these things yourself? You seem to have a pretty good handle on the material, and a good eye for detail. The community could sure use good editors like yourself, and a username account makes it easier for people to address you and get to know you as an individual. Just a thought.
I fixed the article. And just so you know, I'm planing to eventually add more details to the Pawn Stars article and Harrison and Chumlee articles, based on Harrison's autobiography, including the specific page numbers. I read it last year, and took copious notes, but unfortunately, the document with the notes was accidentally deleted from my Desktop (ARRRGGGH!!!). Eventually, I'll rewrite that document in order to beef up the articles, and that includes details on the history of the Harrisons' various businesses. Thanks again. Nightscream ( talk) 14:38, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
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First things first... Why isn't Chumlee getting the nomination first. I'm disappointed, Bonkers.
I'll review this GAN. I should be able to start with some initial thoughts soon. PrairieKid ( talk) 16:48, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
This is the section where I complain...
No other complaints. Seems good so far.
No complaints. Well-written. Could go more in depth about him dropping out, but I'll take it as it is.
Informative and well-written. Again, no complaints
(Note: I fixed a minor grammar error here too, so ya know.) No complaints here.
Pretty simple. Good to go.
Looks good.
Cite 54 could be written better.
Overall, this article is only a few minor steps away from reaching GA-level. I checked all the cites as I was going, and they all seemed good (except 54, as noted above). All there is to do now is move some cites from the lead (the lead could be more generalized if need be, but all of it is mentioned later in the article), add a little more about the business and lawsuits (info pertaining to Harrison) and Old Man will be a GA! I'll do the rubric soon, although it's pretty obvious what that'll look like. PrairieKid ( talk) 17:16, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
This is the section where I tell you the results of my complaining.
It has been a month since the most recent comments here. In that time, the nominator, Bonkers The Clown, has not edited the article at all: not to address any issues raised by Prairie Kid, and not to address any made by me. Bonkers has been quite active in that time: well over 500 edits elsewhere on Wikipedia. I did ping his talk page a week ago, asking about this nomination, but there was no response.
As such, I see no point in this remaining open. As Prairie Kid has not returned here in that month, I'm taking it upon myself to close the nomination as not listed. Once the issues raised here have been addressed in the article, it can be nominated again, though I suggest Bonkers be ready to devote the necessary attention to timely editing of the article in response to reviewer comments. The quality and breadth of a Good Article is an order of magnitude above that expected for a minimal DYK. If you look at the article's talk page, this is rated as a C-class article, and lacking two qualities required for B-class. Since GA is the next level above B, this has a ways to go yet, but it is within reach if the necessary work is done. Best of luck! BlueMoonset ( talk) 19:42, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
"In October 2012, A&E Network and The History Channel, as well as Harrison and the rest of the cast members from the show, were sued in Clark County District Court in Las Vegas for interference with business practices by Wayne F. Jefferies,[42] a Las Vegas promoter[43] and the Harrisons' manager, who represented them and "Chumlee" Russell in their television business dealings"
This has got to be the longest and most confusing run-on sentence I have ever read.
How about something like...
"In October 2012, Wayne F. Jefferies sued A&E Networks, The History Channel, Gold & Silver Pawn Shop Inc. and the stars of the show: Rick Harrison, Corey Harrison, Richard Benjamin Harrison and Austin "Chumlee" Russell. Jeffries, a Las Vegas promoter, filed a civil lawsuit in Clark County District Court in Las Vegas seeking unspecified monetary damages on allegations of breach of oral contract and interference.
The lawsuit alleges Jefferies was hired in 2007 as a consultant, manager and adviser to pitch the "Pawn Stars" concept to networks. The lawsuit alleges Jefferies negotiated oral contracts in May 2009 to represent the three Harrisons and in June 2009 to represent Russell. Jefferies accused the pawnshop stars and network officials of improperly firing him and failing to pay promised fees and shares of merchandising deals."
I got that from 42 & 43 above. The next source was a dead link and I edited the article to mark it as such. I didn't look at at any further sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.248.73.207 ( talk) 22:13, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
I added two "rs" ("unreliable source?") tags to this article, and one each to the articles Rick Harrison and Corey Harrison.
This article says "Harrison's net worth has been estimated to be $5 million USD" but also says "Net worth Increase $8 million" in the infobox, with an up arrow for the "Increase". The $5 million one is used as a source on the other articles but doesn't seem reliable. The source for $8 million doesn't seem reliable and I'm not sure why an "Increase" graphic is there. The infoboxes on the other articles have the "Increase" up arrow also...
These sources don't cite their sources. They don't give any information as to how they arrived at those figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.248.73.207 ( talk) 20:55, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
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I have seen pictures and comments posted in response to said pictures that imply that the old man has died recently. Can someone confirm this? so as to put it in the main article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drumerwritter ( talk • contribs) 04:28, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
Apart from saying on their website they would be closed for a few hours, nothing has been updated about the old man's death. They just did a tribute show where even his best friend talked. He has recently died. At the end of the show, the put his photo up with his name and it says 1941-2018. The power Nazis that control this page think I'm lying, maybe they should watch the show and let the fans actually do the editing. Kiwidave666 ( talk) 14:57, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
"In May 2012, Daniel Callahan filed a lawsuit in the District Court in Las Vegas claiming that Harrison and his son Rick failed to provide "reasonable and necessary" security at their store, seeking around $20,000 for injuries he allegedly suffered from being "dragged out of the pawn shop and tossed onto the sidewalk" after an argument over a rifle he had brought"
Did Callahan buy the gun from the store (in which case it should be 'bought'), or did he bring the gun to the store hoping they would buy it (in which case 'brought' is correct)? Robbmonster ( talk) 10:04, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
This reference (used five times) is only explained as "Harrison (2011)". This is not enough to determine the actual source.
If it refers to Rick's "License to Pawn: Deals, Steals, and My Life at the Gold & Silver. Hyperion. 2011." then this needs to be made more clear. In fact, that reference should be used. (This goes for reference #11 as well) CapnZapp ( talk) 12:41, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
The book referenced in the link doesn't mention any Irish heritage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.233.147.162 ( talk) 18:31, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
If Mr. Harrison's final five years out of 20 in the Navy ended in 1976, he would have had to enlist at age 15. Also, the linked page for the USS Chowanoc indicates the ship was decommissioned in October 1971, rendering it impossible for his final five years of service to aboard that ship. Could it be that his years of service were exaggerated? Stigmatasaurus ( talk) 20:54, 25 May 2019 (UTC)stigmatasaurus
Per Jimbo's design, I don't log to edit (as allowed). But I have many thousands of edits, so here goes about today's.
This article's references to the Harrison books are improved, but three still cite no page nos.; moreover, there is an overreliance on citations of article episodes—13 times—thus presenting two further problems:
Hence, on the whole, the article, in these sections, violates the policies/guidelines in WP:OR and WP:VERIFY. Note, the scale of this is as follows—13 of the 62 references are to episode primary sources (21%; 13 of the total of 77 inline citations). And there are 10 citations of the Harrison book (3 sans page numbers), all of which are non-third party sourced statements; these should be considered as third-party source needed issues, even though not tagged. This brings the number of untraceable/primary/non-independent references to 23 of 77 citations (30%).
These observations, and attempts to move the article toward being encyclopedic—so that it might one day be a GA—are the bulk of what I did today (alongside completing and standardizing references, splitting a section, calling for expansion, etc.). Note, I did not add the "page numbers improve" or the many other possible article and section tags, because that is worrying after a sneeze when the patient has a couple localized tumors. (The real issues are the OR and repeated appearance of unverifiable statements.) Cheers. 2601:246:C700:9B0:258D:AF9C:CCA9:24A4 ( talk) 19:22, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Two law suits from 2012 are hanging in the air. Both must be settled by now, but no outcome is reported. In any case two ten year old and obscure court cases are of no significance in the life of Harrison. Hence I am removing the text. Creuzbourg ( talk) 00:29, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
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Under the Military section of Career, license is spelled wrong(as licence)in the second paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.131.72.169 ( talk) 00:54, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
The Gold & Silver Pawn Shop was opened in 1989, not 1988, as the article incorrectly states two times in the article - in the lead and in the "Business and reality television" section. That's wrong. Actually, Rick Harrison (not Richard) received a license to pawn in April 1988, but the store did not actually open for business until 1989. Please correct the year in both places. Also, I would recommend changing the word "founded" to "opened" in both places. Here is the source to verify this information, which is used in the Pawn Stars article:
<ref name="Las Vegas Weeky 2010">{{cite news|last=Katsilometes|first=John|title=Pawn shop boys|url=http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/news/2010/apr/08/pawn-shop-boys/|accessdate=June 14, 2013|newspaper=Las Vegas Weekly|date=April 8, 2010}}</ref>
You can just paste the full cite above right next to the year in the first usage, and just use <ref name="Las Vegas Weeky 2010"/> next to the year in the second usage.
Thanks. -- 76.189.109.155 ( talk) 04:40, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
What's wrong with placing the citation at the end of the sentence? Nightscream ( talk) 14:46, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, why don't you sign up for a username account and fix these things yourself? You seem to have a pretty good handle on the material, and a good eye for detail. The community could sure use good editors like yourself, and a username account makes it easier for people to address you and get to know you as an individual. Just a thought.
I fixed the article. And just so you know, I'm planing to eventually add more details to the Pawn Stars article and Harrison and Chumlee articles, based on Harrison's autobiography, including the specific page numbers. I read it last year, and took copious notes, but unfortunately, the document with the notes was accidentally deleted from my Desktop (ARRRGGGH!!!). Eventually, I'll rewrite that document in order to beef up the articles, and that includes details on the history of the Harrisons' various businesses. Thanks again. Nightscream ( talk) 14:38, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
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First things first... Why isn't Chumlee getting the nomination first. I'm disappointed, Bonkers.
I'll review this GAN. I should be able to start with some initial thoughts soon. PrairieKid ( talk) 16:48, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
This is the section where I complain...
No other complaints. Seems good so far.
No complaints. Well-written. Could go more in depth about him dropping out, but I'll take it as it is.
Informative and well-written. Again, no complaints
(Note: I fixed a minor grammar error here too, so ya know.) No complaints here.
Pretty simple. Good to go.
Looks good.
Cite 54 could be written better.
Overall, this article is only a few minor steps away from reaching GA-level. I checked all the cites as I was going, and they all seemed good (except 54, as noted above). All there is to do now is move some cites from the lead (the lead could be more generalized if need be, but all of it is mentioned later in the article), add a little more about the business and lawsuits (info pertaining to Harrison) and Old Man will be a GA! I'll do the rubric soon, although it's pretty obvious what that'll look like. PrairieKid ( talk) 17:16, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
This is the section where I tell you the results of my complaining.
It has been a month since the most recent comments here. In that time, the nominator, Bonkers The Clown, has not edited the article at all: not to address any issues raised by Prairie Kid, and not to address any made by me. Bonkers has been quite active in that time: well over 500 edits elsewhere on Wikipedia. I did ping his talk page a week ago, asking about this nomination, but there was no response.
As such, I see no point in this remaining open. As Prairie Kid has not returned here in that month, I'm taking it upon myself to close the nomination as not listed. Once the issues raised here have been addressed in the article, it can be nominated again, though I suggest Bonkers be ready to devote the necessary attention to timely editing of the article in response to reviewer comments. The quality and breadth of a Good Article is an order of magnitude above that expected for a minimal DYK. If you look at the article's talk page, this is rated as a C-class article, and lacking two qualities required for B-class. Since GA is the next level above B, this has a ways to go yet, but it is within reach if the necessary work is done. Best of luck! BlueMoonset ( talk) 19:42, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
"In October 2012, A&E Network and The History Channel, as well as Harrison and the rest of the cast members from the show, were sued in Clark County District Court in Las Vegas for interference with business practices by Wayne F. Jefferies,[42] a Las Vegas promoter[43] and the Harrisons' manager, who represented them and "Chumlee" Russell in their television business dealings"
This has got to be the longest and most confusing run-on sentence I have ever read.
How about something like...
"In October 2012, Wayne F. Jefferies sued A&E Networks, The History Channel, Gold & Silver Pawn Shop Inc. and the stars of the show: Rick Harrison, Corey Harrison, Richard Benjamin Harrison and Austin "Chumlee" Russell. Jeffries, a Las Vegas promoter, filed a civil lawsuit in Clark County District Court in Las Vegas seeking unspecified monetary damages on allegations of breach of oral contract and interference.
The lawsuit alleges Jefferies was hired in 2007 as a consultant, manager and adviser to pitch the "Pawn Stars" concept to networks. The lawsuit alleges Jefferies negotiated oral contracts in May 2009 to represent the three Harrisons and in June 2009 to represent Russell. Jefferies accused the pawnshop stars and network officials of improperly firing him and failing to pay promised fees and shares of merchandising deals."
I got that from 42 & 43 above. The next source was a dead link and I edited the article to mark it as such. I didn't look at at any further sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.248.73.207 ( talk) 22:13, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
I added two "rs" ("unreliable source?") tags to this article, and one each to the articles Rick Harrison and Corey Harrison.
This article says "Harrison's net worth has been estimated to be $5 million USD" but also says "Net worth Increase $8 million" in the infobox, with an up arrow for the "Increase". The $5 million one is used as a source on the other articles but doesn't seem reliable. The source for $8 million doesn't seem reliable and I'm not sure why an "Increase" graphic is there. The infoboxes on the other articles have the "Increase" up arrow also...
These sources don't cite their sources. They don't give any information as to how they arrived at those figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.248.73.207 ( talk) 20:55, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
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I have seen pictures and comments posted in response to said pictures that imply that the old man has died recently. Can someone confirm this? so as to put it in the main article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drumerwritter ( talk • contribs) 04:28, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
Apart from saying on their website they would be closed for a few hours, nothing has been updated about the old man's death. They just did a tribute show where even his best friend talked. He has recently died. At the end of the show, the put his photo up with his name and it says 1941-2018. The power Nazis that control this page think I'm lying, maybe they should watch the show and let the fans actually do the editing. Kiwidave666 ( talk) 14:57, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
"In May 2012, Daniel Callahan filed a lawsuit in the District Court in Las Vegas claiming that Harrison and his son Rick failed to provide "reasonable and necessary" security at their store, seeking around $20,000 for injuries he allegedly suffered from being "dragged out of the pawn shop and tossed onto the sidewalk" after an argument over a rifle he had brought"
Did Callahan buy the gun from the store (in which case it should be 'bought'), or did he bring the gun to the store hoping they would buy it (in which case 'brought' is correct)? Robbmonster ( talk) 10:04, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
This reference (used five times) is only explained as "Harrison (2011)". This is not enough to determine the actual source.
If it refers to Rick's "License to Pawn: Deals, Steals, and My Life at the Gold & Silver. Hyperion. 2011." then this needs to be made more clear. In fact, that reference should be used. (This goes for reference #11 as well) CapnZapp ( talk) 12:41, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
The book referenced in the link doesn't mention any Irish heritage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.233.147.162 ( talk) 18:31, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
If Mr. Harrison's final five years out of 20 in the Navy ended in 1976, he would have had to enlist at age 15. Also, the linked page for the USS Chowanoc indicates the ship was decommissioned in October 1971, rendering it impossible for his final five years of service to aboard that ship. Could it be that his years of service were exaggerated? Stigmatasaurus ( talk) 20:54, 25 May 2019 (UTC)stigmatasaurus
Per Jimbo's design, I don't log to edit (as allowed). But I have many thousands of edits, so here goes about today's.
This article's references to the Harrison books are improved, but three still cite no page nos.; moreover, there is an overreliance on citations of article episodes—13 times—thus presenting two further problems:
Hence, on the whole, the article, in these sections, violates the policies/guidelines in WP:OR and WP:VERIFY. Note, the scale of this is as follows—13 of the 62 references are to episode primary sources (21%; 13 of the total of 77 inline citations). And there are 10 citations of the Harrison book (3 sans page numbers), all of which are non-third party sourced statements; these should be considered as third-party source needed issues, even though not tagged. This brings the number of untraceable/primary/non-independent references to 23 of 77 citations (30%).
These observations, and attempts to move the article toward being encyclopedic—so that it might one day be a GA—are the bulk of what I did today (alongside completing and standardizing references, splitting a section, calling for expansion, etc.). Note, I did not add the "page numbers improve" or the many other possible article and section tags, because that is worrying after a sneeze when the patient has a couple localized tumors. (The real issues are the OR and repeated appearance of unverifiable statements.) Cheers. 2601:246:C700:9B0:258D:AF9C:CCA9:24A4 ( talk) 19:22, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Two law suits from 2012 are hanging in the air. Both must be settled by now, but no outcome is reported. In any case two ten year old and obscure court cases are of no significance in the life of Harrison. Hence I am removing the text. Creuzbourg ( talk) 00:29, 15 January 2022 (UTC)