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Józef Kowalski: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Kowalski There are also dozens of people of military age on the supercentenarian list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_living_supercentenarians — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.202.165 ( talk) 22:49, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
He is the second oldest verified veteran now that Phyllis Josephine Thompson died.
Amongst all of the accolades, I find myself dubious about Mr. Overton's claims. First, the article says almost nothing about his actual service, other than to say that he served with the U.S. Army (no references provided), and that "He served in the South Pacific from 1942 through 1945". That in itself is problematic, since the Army had limited involvement in the South Pacific; that was primarily the theater of the Navy and the Marines and, to a lesser degree, the Army Air Corps. Second, he supposedly "was at Pearl Harbor". Again, the US Army wasn't really involved in the attacks on Pearl; the closest any Army personnel were on the day of the attack was at Opana Radar Station and a few air bases and anti-aircraft batteries. Third, the US Army didn't serve in the Battle for Iwo Jima; the US Navy, Marines and Seabees were the only services involved there. Fourth, in the Battle for Okinawa, four divisions of the 10th Army (not Army Air Forces) were the only US Army divisions to fight. Was Mr. Overton in one of those four? If so, which one? Any input or clarification would be appreciated.
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More information: I was able to find a photograph from WWII of a man purported to be Overton
here. It shows him wearing a uniform that bears just one recognizable element: the "Hap Arnold" shoulder patch of the US Army Air Forces. That emblem was phased in in late Feb. of 1942. Photos of soldiers in uniforms without any rank or other insignia are typically taken when they're new recruits; as soon as a soldier is assigned a rank, it is immediately added to their uniforms. Of course, the attack on Pearl Harbor was some months earlier, on 7 Dec., 1941. There were 4 Army Air Forces bases on Hawaii that were attacked that day (Wheeler, Hickam, Bellows and Ford), but as near as I can tell, the total forces there would've only been around 1,000 (and all of the squadrons are identified). At that time, there were a total of about 4,000 African-Americans serving in all branches of the US military, which makes Mr. Overton being one of those 1,000 USAAF soldiers in Hawaii almost impossible. The 5th, 7th and 8th Air Forces participated in the Battle for Okinawa, but only providing bombardment; if Mr. Overton was not a member of a flight crew, he would not have "been at Okinawa" (during the Battle). (Also, most units were segregated at the time.) The USAAF did not participate at all in the Battle for Iwo Jima. That leads me to suspect one of three scenarios: either Mr. Overton "was there" at the locations of those battles at some time (but not during the battles in question), or he was in some support role at a safe distance from those locations, or he (or the media) is embroidering his experiences. I can find no other explanation.
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08:44, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Richard A. Overton served his country well, but I wish someone would provide a reference proving he was awarded the Combat Infantryman Badge (CIB). The CIB is given to soldiers who serve in an Infantry unit during times of conflict. There is no record of Overton serving with the Infantry that I have seen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 327th ( talk • contribs) 20:45, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Despite over 7 months passed since page was created, the page named " Mr. Overton" is still very short. If continues this situation in the future, this page should be merged into Richard Arvine Overton. If without oppose opinion, I'll be realize this propose 10 days later. Inception2010 ( talk) 12:37, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Such statements, although factual, are surely uneccessary and not very encyclopedic. It's almost a "milestone section" contained in the introduction. MattSucci ( talk) 05:45, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
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202.156.144.73 ( talk) 02:23, 30 December 2018 (UTC) URGENT REVIEW PHOTO of Richard Arvin Overton
Could someone link in, from his wikipedia article, to the second oldest person in the USA? Right at the ~bottom of the main page where the oldest person before him was mentioned. That way we can sort of "click through" to find out who the oldest one is right now and read their stories. 2A02:8388:1641:8380:68DE:C1D0:C270:7927 ( talk) 22:48, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
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Józef Kowalski: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Kowalski There are also dozens of people of military age on the supercentenarian list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_living_supercentenarians — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.202.165 ( talk) 22:49, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
He is the second oldest verified veteran now that Phyllis Josephine Thompson died.
Amongst all of the accolades, I find myself dubious about Mr. Overton's claims. First, the article says almost nothing about his actual service, other than to say that he served with the U.S. Army (no references provided), and that "He served in the South Pacific from 1942 through 1945". That in itself is problematic, since the Army had limited involvement in the South Pacific; that was primarily the theater of the Navy and the Marines and, to a lesser degree, the Army Air Corps. Second, he supposedly "was at Pearl Harbor". Again, the US Army wasn't really involved in the attacks on Pearl; the closest any Army personnel were on the day of the attack was at Opana Radar Station and a few air bases and anti-aircraft batteries. Third, the US Army didn't serve in the Battle for Iwo Jima; the US Navy, Marines and Seabees were the only services involved there. Fourth, in the Battle for Okinawa, four divisions of the 10th Army (not Army Air Forces) were the only US Army divisions to fight. Was Mr. Overton in one of those four? If so, which one? Any input or clarification would be appreciated.
Bricology (
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21:06, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
More information: I was able to find a photograph from WWII of a man purported to be Overton
here. It shows him wearing a uniform that bears just one recognizable element: the "Hap Arnold" shoulder patch of the US Army Air Forces. That emblem was phased in in late Feb. of 1942. Photos of soldiers in uniforms without any rank or other insignia are typically taken when they're new recruits; as soon as a soldier is assigned a rank, it is immediately added to their uniforms. Of course, the attack on Pearl Harbor was some months earlier, on 7 Dec., 1941. There were 4 Army Air Forces bases on Hawaii that were attacked that day (Wheeler, Hickam, Bellows and Ford), but as near as I can tell, the total forces there would've only been around 1,000 (and all of the squadrons are identified). At that time, there were a total of about 4,000 African-Americans serving in all branches of the US military, which makes Mr. Overton being one of those 1,000 USAAF soldiers in Hawaii almost impossible. The 5th, 7th and 8th Air Forces participated in the Battle for Okinawa, but only providing bombardment; if Mr. Overton was not a member of a flight crew, he would not have "been at Okinawa" (during the Battle). (Also, most units were segregated at the time.) The USAAF did not participate at all in the Battle for Iwo Jima. That leads me to suspect one of three scenarios: either Mr. Overton "was there" at the locations of those battles at some time (but not during the battles in question), or he was in some support role at a safe distance from those locations, or he (or the media) is embroidering his experiences. I can find no other explanation.
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08:44, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Richard A. Overton served his country well, but I wish someone would provide a reference proving he was awarded the Combat Infantryman Badge (CIB). The CIB is given to soldiers who serve in an Infantry unit during times of conflict. There is no record of Overton serving with the Infantry that I have seen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 327th ( talk • contribs) 20:45, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Despite over 7 months passed since page was created, the page named " Mr. Overton" is still very short. If continues this situation in the future, this page should be merged into Richard Arvine Overton. If without oppose opinion, I'll be realize this propose 10 days later. Inception2010 ( talk) 12:37, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Such statements, although factual, are surely uneccessary and not very encyclopedic. It's almost a "milestone section" contained in the introduction. MattSucci ( talk) 05:45, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
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{{ITN nom}} - Ad Orientem ( talk) 02:36, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
The only item holding up this nomination is the lack of sourcing for military honors. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 02:37, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
The image at /info/en/?search=Richard_Arvin_Overton#/media/File:Richard_Overton_2017.jpg has been vandalized-the history at Commons does not show the obscene addition, but clicking on the article in en.wiki brings it up. Not certain whodunnit.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 23:23, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
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202.156.144.73 ( talk) 02:23, 30 December 2018 (UTC) URGENT REVIEW PHOTO of Richard Arvin Overton
Could someone link in, from his wikipedia article, to the second oldest person in the USA? Right at the ~bottom of the main page where the oldest person before him was mentioned. That way we can sort of "click through" to find out who the oldest one is right now and read their stories. 2A02:8388:1641:8380:68DE:C1D0:C270:7927 ( talk) 22:48, 13 July 2020 (UTC)