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I'm glad to see your work here. I do have some insights based on the above checklist that I think will improve the article:
Besides that, I think the article looks excellent. Midnightblueowl, please feel free to strike out any recommendation from this review which you think will not help in improving the article which is our main aim here. All the best,
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Promoting the article to GA status.
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At Robert Service (historian), Wikipedia reports that questions have been raised by a number of academics as to "factual errors" in Service's writings on Leon Trotsky. See section Work and critical reception. http://ahr.oxfordjournals.org/content/116/3/900
Under normal circumstances, the footnotes for Early revolutionary activity of Vladimir Lenin are more than adequate. I would recommend - and I personally do this as a matter of course in all my recent articles - is to provide the direct quotation of the passage from which the editor has summarized and paraphrased the material in the article. It takes a few minutes to include a citation of this kind, and it seems prudent, and considerate, to provide Service's material, as it pertains to the article, "on demand", as it were. Would that be too much trouble? 36hourblock ( talk) 00:19, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
You appear to have misapprehended my request. No change to the body of the article is necessary. Merely provide the passage from each Service citation (perhaps a few sentences or so), that support a dozen of so footnotes. This would hardly entail a large investment of time: you possess the source material, do you not?
To your second point, I would only repeat that Service has been charged, by reputable sources, with misrepresenting historical events regarding Leon Trotsky, a revolutionary associate of Lenin. If you deem Service worthy as a source, so be it. But I strongly urge you to provide extended quotations that support your material in the article. As I pointed out, my footnotes in recent articles provide this courtesy, and my sources have not, to my knowledge, come under scrutiny by mainstream historians for engaging in misrepresentations and omissions. 36hourblock ( talk) 00:12, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
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I am responding to a third opinion request for this page. I have made no previous edits on Early revolutionary activity of Vladimir Lenin and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes. |
The addition of "a few sentences" to each of a dozen citations can easily mount up, and such additions do tend to make references sections appear cluttered. One or two, yes, if there are very special reasons, but I think a dozen would be over the top. Citations identify sources; they don't save us a trip to the library. The main thing, though, is that adding such text wouldn't significantly address the real issue here, which is how much weight should be given to Service's book. That's a question that should be addressed by experts, so I would suggest inviting watchers of the main article Vladimir Lenin, and members of the Wikiprojects listed at the top of this page, to join the discussion. A further resort could be to WP:RSN, perhaps. (For future reference, please note that requests at WP:3O should link, not to the article, but to the talk page section where the discussion is taking place.) Stfg ( talk) 10:56, 24 April 2014 (UTC) |
Dear Stfg - If you want to call in the "experts", be my guest.
I'll give you an example of what I'm requesting. It's easy, "clutters" nothing, and no "trip to the library" - Midnightblueowl owes it to the editor who requests it, especially under these unusual circumstances.
@ 36hourblock: I'm not sure why you would choose to assert that I "owe it to the editor who requests it [i.e. yourself]" to make the changes which you believe are necessary; that is simply not the case. I don't owe you anything. I agree with Stfg's statement that your comments toward them has been rude, and I personally also feel that your attitude to myself has been equally discourteous. Simply because we have not agreed with your proposed changes to the article (which you insist that I implement in my own time) does not give you permission to behave in this manner. Midnightblueowl ( talk) 19:41, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Early revolutionary activity of Vladimir Lenin has been selected for DR at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard
You are invited to post your comments. 36hourblock ( talk) 00:17, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
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Revolutionary activity of Vladimir Lenin article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
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Hi! My review for this article will be here shortly.
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1: Well-written
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5: Stable: No
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tagged with their
copyright status, and
valid fair use rationales are provided for
non-free content:
6: Images are provided if possible and are
relevant to the topic, and have
suitable captions:
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I'm glad to see your work here. I do have some insights based on the above checklist that I think will improve the article:
Besides that, I think the article looks excellent. Midnightblueowl, please feel free to strike out any recommendation from this review which you think will not help in improving the article which is our main aim here. All the best,
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Seabuckthorn
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22:52, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Promoting the article to GA status.
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Seabuckthorn
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22:53, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
At Robert Service (historian), Wikipedia reports that questions have been raised by a number of academics as to "factual errors" in Service's writings on Leon Trotsky. See section Work and critical reception. http://ahr.oxfordjournals.org/content/116/3/900
Under normal circumstances, the footnotes for Early revolutionary activity of Vladimir Lenin are more than adequate. I would recommend - and I personally do this as a matter of course in all my recent articles - is to provide the direct quotation of the passage from which the editor has summarized and paraphrased the material in the article. It takes a few minutes to include a citation of this kind, and it seems prudent, and considerate, to provide Service's material, as it pertains to the article, "on demand", as it were. Would that be too much trouble? 36hourblock ( talk) 00:19, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
You appear to have misapprehended my request. No change to the body of the article is necessary. Merely provide the passage from each Service citation (perhaps a few sentences or so), that support a dozen of so footnotes. This would hardly entail a large investment of time: you possess the source material, do you not?
To your second point, I would only repeat that Service has been charged, by reputable sources, with misrepresenting historical events regarding Leon Trotsky, a revolutionary associate of Lenin. If you deem Service worthy as a source, so be it. But I strongly urge you to provide extended quotations that support your material in the article. As I pointed out, my footnotes in recent articles provide this courtesy, and my sources have not, to my knowledge, come under scrutiny by mainstream historians for engaging in misrepresentations and omissions. 36hourblock ( talk) 00:12, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
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I am responding to a third opinion request for this page. I have made no previous edits on Early revolutionary activity of Vladimir Lenin and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes. |
The addition of "a few sentences" to each of a dozen citations can easily mount up, and such additions do tend to make references sections appear cluttered. One or two, yes, if there are very special reasons, but I think a dozen would be over the top. Citations identify sources; they don't save us a trip to the library. The main thing, though, is that adding such text wouldn't significantly address the real issue here, which is how much weight should be given to Service's book. That's a question that should be addressed by experts, so I would suggest inviting watchers of the main article Vladimir Lenin, and members of the Wikiprojects listed at the top of this page, to join the discussion. A further resort could be to WP:RSN, perhaps. (For future reference, please note that requests at WP:3O should link, not to the article, but to the talk page section where the discussion is taking place.) Stfg ( talk) 10:56, 24 April 2014 (UTC) |
Dear Stfg - If you want to call in the "experts", be my guest.
I'll give you an example of what I'm requesting. It's easy, "clutters" nothing, and no "trip to the library" - Midnightblueowl owes it to the editor who requests it, especially under these unusual circumstances.
@ 36hourblock: I'm not sure why you would choose to assert that I "owe it to the editor who requests it [i.e. yourself]" to make the changes which you believe are necessary; that is simply not the case. I don't owe you anything. I agree with Stfg's statement that your comments toward them has been rude, and I personally also feel that your attitude to myself has been equally discourteous. Simply because we have not agreed with your proposed changes to the article (which you insist that I implement in my own time) does not give you permission to behave in this manner. Midnightblueowl ( talk) 19:41, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Early revolutionary activity of Vladimir Lenin has been selected for DR at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard
You are invited to post your comments. 36hourblock ( talk) 00:17, 1 May 2014 (UTC)