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In this edit Extended Cut ( talk · contribs) claims that the Ukraine Greek Catholic Church has adopted the Revised Julian calendar:
*1/14 September 2023: Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church [1]
But the source does not actually say this, it just says that the church "switches to a new style for fixed holidays while adhering to the current Paschalia."
Reasons I'm not convinced this means the Gregorian calendar for fixed holidays include
According to the Primate, the calendar reform of the UGCC in Ukraine will have two stages. The first step has already been taken. Regarding the celebration of Easter, the bishops “decided to wait for a while.”
Perhaps publicity about which version of the calendar is being switched to is being delayed until they are finished deciding about Easter and related feasts. Jc3s5h ( talk) 17:47, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
I have found an additional source, Vatican News. They state "the switch to the Gregorian calendar will involve changing the dates of several fixed liturgical feasts, but for the time being Greek Catholics will continue to celebrate Easter on a later date than most Christian Churches." [Emphasis added.] [3]
This last, advocated by the Macedonian astronomer Maksim Trpkovic, it declared to be virtually perfect (with an error of only one day in 44,000 years) and it came into effect on 16 February/1 March 2023. In May and June that year representatives of the Greek Orthodox church at a conference in Constantinople agreed to switch to the Revised Julian calendar, which was equally accurate but would diverge from the Gregorian in AD 2800, rather than AD 2000. This being approved by the government, this calendar was introduced throughout Greece on 10/23 March 2024. The decree promulgating the change was gazetted by the Archbishop of Athens and was linked to in the article, but Jc3s5h removed the reference and replaced it by a claim that the Greek government introduced the Gregorian calendar in 1923 with the result that the government and the church are using different calendars! 80.47.2.232 ( talk) 10:27, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
References
The "Arithmetic" section contains differences between the Gregorian and Revised Julian calendars long before it was first proposed about 1920. We know there are standards that support the use of the Gregorian calendar before it was first implemented in 1583, for example, ISO 8601. I an not aware of anyone making any use of the Revised Julian calendar before it was formulated. So in what year should this table of date differences begin? Jc3s5h ( talk) 15:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
The defense section of this article is basically the opinion of whoever authored it.
"(3) Some Orthodox themselves may unwittingly reinforce this impression by ignorance of their own faith and by a consequential exclusive, or excessive, focus on the calendar issue: it has been observed, anecdotally, that some Russians cannot cite any difference in belief or practice between their faith and the faith of western Christians, except for the 13-day calendar difference."
I would argue that it would be better to cite sources instead of mentioning some random anecdotal (patronizing) comment about Russians. 2A02:A445:6431:1:2554:7760:424E:FBEF ( talk) 14:17, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Which calendar does the church use now? And are we talking about Orthodox of Catholics? Ladnerg310 ( talk) 16:46, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Which is more accurate after a cycle of 6300 years? -- Roland ( talk) 17:48, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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In this edit Extended Cut ( talk · contribs) claims that the Ukraine Greek Catholic Church has adopted the Revised Julian calendar:
*1/14 September 2023: Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church [1]
But the source does not actually say this, it just says that the church "switches to a new style for fixed holidays while adhering to the current Paschalia."
Reasons I'm not convinced this means the Gregorian calendar for fixed holidays include
According to the Primate, the calendar reform of the UGCC in Ukraine will have two stages. The first step has already been taken. Regarding the celebration of Easter, the bishops “decided to wait for a while.”
Perhaps publicity about which version of the calendar is being switched to is being delayed until they are finished deciding about Easter and related feasts. Jc3s5h ( talk) 17:47, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
I have found an additional source, Vatican News. They state "the switch to the Gregorian calendar will involve changing the dates of several fixed liturgical feasts, but for the time being Greek Catholics will continue to celebrate Easter on a later date than most Christian Churches." [Emphasis added.] [3]
This last, advocated by the Macedonian astronomer Maksim Trpkovic, it declared to be virtually perfect (with an error of only one day in 44,000 years) and it came into effect on 16 February/1 March 2023. In May and June that year representatives of the Greek Orthodox church at a conference in Constantinople agreed to switch to the Revised Julian calendar, which was equally accurate but would diverge from the Gregorian in AD 2800, rather than AD 2000. This being approved by the government, this calendar was introduced throughout Greece on 10/23 March 2024. The decree promulgating the change was gazetted by the Archbishop of Athens and was linked to in the article, but Jc3s5h removed the reference and replaced it by a claim that the Greek government introduced the Gregorian calendar in 1923 with the result that the government and the church are using different calendars! 80.47.2.232 ( talk) 10:27, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
References
The "Arithmetic" section contains differences between the Gregorian and Revised Julian calendars long before it was first proposed about 1920. We know there are standards that support the use of the Gregorian calendar before it was first implemented in 1583, for example, ISO 8601. I an not aware of anyone making any use of the Revised Julian calendar before it was formulated. So in what year should this table of date differences begin? Jc3s5h ( talk) 15:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
The defense section of this article is basically the opinion of whoever authored it.
"(3) Some Orthodox themselves may unwittingly reinforce this impression by ignorance of their own faith and by a consequential exclusive, or excessive, focus on the calendar issue: it has been observed, anecdotally, that some Russians cannot cite any difference in belief or practice between their faith and the faith of western Christians, except for the 13-day calendar difference."
I would argue that it would be better to cite sources instead of mentioning some random anecdotal (patronizing) comment about Russians. 2A02:A445:6431:1:2554:7760:424E:FBEF ( talk) 14:17, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Which calendar does the church use now? And are we talking about Orthodox of Catholics? Ladnerg310 ( talk) 16:46, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Which is more accurate after a cycle of 6300 years? -- Roland ( talk) 17:48, 22 February 2024 (UTC)