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Can we say that? Böri ( talk) 15:18, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
"Retjenu was a name for Canaan and Syria. from the Negev Desert north to the Orontes River .... consisted of three regions. The southernmost was Djahy, which had about the same boundaries as Canaan. Lebanon proper was located in the middle, between the Mediterranean and the Orontes River. North of Lebanon was .... Amurru."
Modern terms mixed with ancient ones, some nonsensical to start with, some with huge overlaps.
The meaning of Canaan does vary, but most of the time it does include what would become Phoenicia, and sometimes all of (at least western) Syria, as we read elsewhere. So:
One does get a sense of what might be meant, but a far better choice of words is needed. Also, I'm getting the impression that the editor(s) who wrote/put together the definition, didn't quite get it themselves, and left it to the user to figure it out. Not acceptable. Arminden ( talk) 20:21, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 9 January 2024 and 22 March 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Maka'alaKaono ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: Archaeologyslay, Traven Murphy.
— Assignment last updated by Johnstoncl ( talk) 18:23, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
My problem with the definition (see above) proved to originate in some "imaginative editing", where the ref didn't cover half of what it was alleged to say, and new, anachronistic terms were introduced.
I have now rewritten that section based mainly on the same Steindorff & Seele source, plus I. Singer on Amurru. The info and wikilinked terms added by fellow editor, but unsupported by the source, are here. Some are possibly correct and thus useful, but must be sourced to be reintroduced.
Did they shift with time?
Define Canaan! Definition varied, so nonsense.
Gaza Strip, i.e. Rafah, as S border, is as far as I remember correct. Tartous as N border, I don't know.
Akkar? Links to modern Lebanese district. Tartous? Source! Amurru was NOT the land of the Amorites, but one Amorite kingdom.
"Lebanon proper" means nothing, didn't exist before the French created such an entity. Forgets to include Anti-Lebanon (Steindorff does, it seems). Coele-Syria is a term from a different era (and "ancient" covers everything older than modern era in English), plus it had 2 different definitions. Arminden ( talk) 15:51, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
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Can we say that? Böri ( talk) 15:18, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
"Retjenu was a name for Canaan and Syria. from the Negev Desert north to the Orontes River .... consisted of three regions. The southernmost was Djahy, which had about the same boundaries as Canaan. Lebanon proper was located in the middle, between the Mediterranean and the Orontes River. North of Lebanon was .... Amurru."
Modern terms mixed with ancient ones, some nonsensical to start with, some with huge overlaps.
The meaning of Canaan does vary, but most of the time it does include what would become Phoenicia, and sometimes all of (at least western) Syria, as we read elsewhere. So:
One does get a sense of what might be meant, but a far better choice of words is needed. Also, I'm getting the impression that the editor(s) who wrote/put together the definition, didn't quite get it themselves, and left it to the user to figure it out. Not acceptable. Arminden ( talk) 20:21, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 9 January 2024 and 22 March 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Maka'alaKaono ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: Archaeologyslay, Traven Murphy.
— Assignment last updated by Johnstoncl ( talk) 18:23, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
My problem with the definition (see above) proved to originate in some "imaginative editing", where the ref didn't cover half of what it was alleged to say, and new, anachronistic terms were introduced.
I have now rewritten that section based mainly on the same Steindorff & Seele source, plus I. Singer on Amurru. The info and wikilinked terms added by fellow editor, but unsupported by the source, are here. Some are possibly correct and thus useful, but must be sourced to be reintroduced.
Did they shift with time?
Define Canaan! Definition varied, so nonsense.
Gaza Strip, i.e. Rafah, as S border, is as far as I remember correct. Tartous as N border, I don't know.
Akkar? Links to modern Lebanese district. Tartous? Source! Amurru was NOT the land of the Amorites, but one Amorite kingdom.
"Lebanon proper" means nothing, didn't exist before the French created such an entity. Forgets to include Anti-Lebanon (Steindorff does, it seems). Coele-Syria is a term from a different era (and "ancient" covers everything older than modern era in English), plus it had 2 different definitions. Arminden ( talk) 15:51, 17 February 2024 (UTC)