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It's very easy to confuse a respirator and a ventilator, and a Wikipedia editor has, in fact, done this very thing.
Please do not confuse the two meanings. Ariel Sharon is on a ventilator, not a respirator.
I'm in the process of removing links to this page that should have gone to ventilator. After that, I'll redirect gas mask here because gas masks are called respirators by everyone who actually wears one in the course of their employment. Then I'll improve this article to include full face, half face, SCBA, and the like. ddlamb 08:35, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
This might be feasible but respirator is more general, including both particulate and gas filtration functions whereas a gas mask is specialized for gases. Other stuff is also already out there that could also be merged--a brief look around spotted filter mask and SCBA. The closely-related SCUBA article, though the hardware is specialized for underwater use, is also quite developed in its own right. Should everything be brought under one article? If not, how about some adequately well-rounded treatment of general gas filtration personal protection technologies under respirator with a "main article" reference to gas mask instead? - Onceler 20:28, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
(I've reconsidered my previous comments as I had misunderstood the merge template, having overlooked "talk" comments--I had read it already but recalled only the part about ventilators. I misunderstood that the intention was for the respirator article to be subsumed into gas mask. - Onceler 23:09, 15 March 2006 (UTC))
Your new categorization system is much clearer. Generally I agree with the 4 bullets above but would add some comments about the gas mask article that might make life easier later on and be better for the Wikipedia consumer.
Regarding what should stay in gas mask: There is a lot of what I could only describe as non-technical/cultural content in that article that is probably best left where it is and which is also part of a category related to headgear such as hats and turbans. It is referred to in the article protective clothing. I didn't see respirator on there the last time I looked.
Regarding what should move over to respirator: Looking a little closer at that article, lots of the technical content is not really specific to the filtering of gases as much as things which include gases, but more crucially, that are gas-borne. I am also not sure if some of the technical stuff is a little misleading so some copy edit of it within the more general context of the respirator article is probably a good idea. Otherwise, I think it has good technical content which does really belong in this article.
How about a revised/shorter gas mask article with a see-also or wiki-link reference in respirator (for the odd person who might conceivably be looking for a costume ball get-up)? - Onceler 22:49, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
The table on different respirator ratings is very useful, but I don't understand what the importance of oil resistance is. The word "oil" isn't mentioned anywhere else in the article. Could someone explain this? -- LostLeviathan 22:03, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I can see that this has been proposed in the past, but I can't see any decent deliniation between this article and Filter mask. I also see that Dust mask has since been redirected to Filter mask. I don't believe there is much information in the filter mask article that is not already contained here. Unless someone can firmly define and separate these two terms (without finding some sources, if I were to try, it'd just be speculation on my part), Filter mask may as well just be a redirect - Verdatum 16:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Just a side note what was called a "respirator" is simply a filter. The term respirator has been widely misused. Respiration means exchange of gases which in our time do not have the technology to produce artificial respiration. So wearing a "respirator" is implying that the device exchanges gas and in fact it doesn't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.222.27 ( talk) 02:36, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Agree. Filter masks are a type of respirators. Ginbot86 ( talk) 18:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Can someone find a more academically sound source for this person. All I have found is an empty wiki article and articles that reference this one for his invention. The only link (www33.brinkster.com) has already been determined to not be an acceptable source.
"I've looked at some of the Brinkster stuff and the Brinkster links don't look suitable for Wikipedia under WP:RS and WP:EL, Wikipedia's guidelines for reliable sources and external links. To the extent that US patents are appropriate for the articles, they can be linked directly from the patent office or using the Template:US-patent template. The Brinkster links should be removed and I'd like to ask the folks reinserting them to please cool it; see the RS and EL guideline pages linked above for advice about when and what to link. 75.62.6.237 01:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)"
BFritzen ( talk) 13:07, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
On this page, it traces the history back to a 16th century Da Vinci invention.
On the gas mask page, it takes the gas mask back to sponges used by Greeks & also mentions a 9th century invention for working in wells.
On the Plague doctor costume page, it calls the 14th century invention an early respirator.
Are these things not important to the history of the respirator as well?
Skullsplitterjulian ( talk) 14:26, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
what the hell is with this section? whoever wrote it went comma happy on the first sentence; it just reads bad. And furthermore, should this really even be in a wiki article? Some of them are already in the references section for god's sake — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.70.75.244 ( talk) 02:33, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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I can't see any info in the article about the "elephant in the room" question for ordinary commuter/cyclist anti-pollution masks - what's the point of blocking out 2.5-micron particles from the ambient air if you breathe in possibly carcinogenic fibreglass particles from the mask itself? How is it possible not to breathe in fibreglass threads/particles from a fibreglass mask if it's directly in front of your nose and mouth?
Can it really be possible that there's no research on the permissible exposure limits (or European equivalent) of fibreglass particles that are typically breathed in from HEPA masks? Any relevant info would be good to add to this Wikipedia article... Boud ( talk) 14:21, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
In case anyone is still concerned, in the US the respirators are typically tested using equipment that would detect any particles- not just the salt test challenge, but also any fiberglass or plastic particles. https://www.tsi.com/getmedia/55d5d5f8-df43-4513-8ea8-33ccf61e956d/8127-8130_1931214_USA_web?ext=.pdf Drottach ( talk) 02:34, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
I would like to add a section to this article to document the current increased demand for face masks, due to the current outbreak of Covid 19. this is an notable subject, as per WP:GNG, with plenty of Reliable sources. I am providing a set of links below to notable news coverage of this topic. I will also provide some draft text below. but this is simply a nutshell, capsule version of what would go in the article itself. once this is added to the article, I would seek to provide more detail within the actual entry.
Here is possible draft text. Open to any feed back on this. -- Sm8900 ( talk) 02:11, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
The University of Hong Kong-Shenzhen Hospital released a youtube video on how to make masks and an eye shield.
Basic info:
Govt health agencies:
Concerns over shortages at healthcare and other organizations
concerns with general shortages:
Concerns about demand and production:
Business outlook
Concerns about price gouging:
QUOTE, Washington Post article, Washington state asked the U.S. stockpile for coronavirus masks. The response raises concerns.:
As coronavirus cases in Washington state mounted and the country’s first death was announced Saturday, health authorities scrambled to get more specialized masks for front-line clinicians who need to protect themselves from the highly contagious disease.
Washington state authorities sent an urgent request for 233,000 respirators and 200,000 surgical masks to be released from the federal government’s Strategic National Stockpile. The stockpile is a repository of drugs and supplies for deployment in major public health emergencies, such as an infectious disease outbreak.
Within 24 hours, Washington state’s liaison to the federal government, Casey Katims, was told his state would get assistance. But it would be less than half the amount they requested — 93,600 N95 respirators and 100,200 surgical masks.
“They did not tell us the reason for why they were fulfilling half the request,” Katims told The Washington Post.
Gov. Jay Inslee (D) has declared a state of emergency. By Thursday, the case count rose to 70, up from 39 on Wednesday, with a another fatal case in King County, in the greater Seattle area, bringing the death toll in Washington state to 11.
Feel free to express any comments below.
With the COVID-19 crisis, how many of these masks are necessary for the medical staff treating patients versus the public doing their shopping in a supermarket? "Many disposable respirators have anti-microbial surfaces, but over time they can start to be a home to germs. Change them out after 8-10 hours even if they're not dirty." [1] SvenAERTS ( talk) 12:36, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 9 January 2023 and 10 May 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Falharb3, Yalharbi33 ( article contribs).
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One of the more valid criticisms of respirators, IMO, is that badly designed respirators can have very high pressure drop, (breathing resistance), and can leak very easily at the slightest face seal intrusion. I'm skeptical that CO2 build up is significant, even though some sources I've read do suggest NIOSH has looked into the issue. With that being said, some of the excess number of sources here do fail verification: one is Sinkule-2003, which only talks about the workings of a breathing simulator, and doesn't seem to make any conclusions on Pressure Drop vs CO2.
I'll go ahead and verify the other sources, and redo this section over time.⸺ RandomStaplers 21:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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It's very easy to confuse a respirator and a ventilator, and a Wikipedia editor has, in fact, done this very thing.
Please do not confuse the two meanings. Ariel Sharon is on a ventilator, not a respirator.
I'm in the process of removing links to this page that should have gone to ventilator. After that, I'll redirect gas mask here because gas masks are called respirators by everyone who actually wears one in the course of their employment. Then I'll improve this article to include full face, half face, SCBA, and the like. ddlamb 08:35, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
This might be feasible but respirator is more general, including both particulate and gas filtration functions whereas a gas mask is specialized for gases. Other stuff is also already out there that could also be merged--a brief look around spotted filter mask and SCBA. The closely-related SCUBA article, though the hardware is specialized for underwater use, is also quite developed in its own right. Should everything be brought under one article? If not, how about some adequately well-rounded treatment of general gas filtration personal protection technologies under respirator with a "main article" reference to gas mask instead? - Onceler 20:28, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
(I've reconsidered my previous comments as I had misunderstood the merge template, having overlooked "talk" comments--I had read it already but recalled only the part about ventilators. I misunderstood that the intention was for the respirator article to be subsumed into gas mask. - Onceler 23:09, 15 March 2006 (UTC))
Your new categorization system is much clearer. Generally I agree with the 4 bullets above but would add some comments about the gas mask article that might make life easier later on and be better for the Wikipedia consumer.
Regarding what should stay in gas mask: There is a lot of what I could only describe as non-technical/cultural content in that article that is probably best left where it is and which is also part of a category related to headgear such as hats and turbans. It is referred to in the article protective clothing. I didn't see respirator on there the last time I looked.
Regarding what should move over to respirator: Looking a little closer at that article, lots of the technical content is not really specific to the filtering of gases as much as things which include gases, but more crucially, that are gas-borne. I am also not sure if some of the technical stuff is a little misleading so some copy edit of it within the more general context of the respirator article is probably a good idea. Otherwise, I think it has good technical content which does really belong in this article.
How about a revised/shorter gas mask article with a see-also or wiki-link reference in respirator (for the odd person who might conceivably be looking for a costume ball get-up)? - Onceler 22:49, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
The table on different respirator ratings is very useful, but I don't understand what the importance of oil resistance is. The word "oil" isn't mentioned anywhere else in the article. Could someone explain this? -- LostLeviathan 22:03, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I can see that this has been proposed in the past, but I can't see any decent deliniation between this article and Filter mask. I also see that Dust mask has since been redirected to Filter mask. I don't believe there is much information in the filter mask article that is not already contained here. Unless someone can firmly define and separate these two terms (without finding some sources, if I were to try, it'd just be speculation on my part), Filter mask may as well just be a redirect - Verdatum 16:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Just a side note what was called a "respirator" is simply a filter. The term respirator has been widely misused. Respiration means exchange of gases which in our time do not have the technology to produce artificial respiration. So wearing a "respirator" is implying that the device exchanges gas and in fact it doesn't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.222.27 ( talk) 02:36, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Agree. Filter masks are a type of respirators. Ginbot86 ( talk) 18:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Can someone find a more academically sound source for this person. All I have found is an empty wiki article and articles that reference this one for his invention. The only link (www33.brinkster.com) has already been determined to not be an acceptable source.
"I've looked at some of the Brinkster stuff and the Brinkster links don't look suitable for Wikipedia under WP:RS and WP:EL, Wikipedia's guidelines for reliable sources and external links. To the extent that US patents are appropriate for the articles, they can be linked directly from the patent office or using the Template:US-patent template. The Brinkster links should be removed and I'd like to ask the folks reinserting them to please cool it; see the RS and EL guideline pages linked above for advice about when and what to link. 75.62.6.237 01:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)"
BFritzen ( talk) 13:07, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
On this page, it traces the history back to a 16th century Da Vinci invention.
On the gas mask page, it takes the gas mask back to sponges used by Greeks & also mentions a 9th century invention for working in wells.
On the Plague doctor costume page, it calls the 14th century invention an early respirator.
Are these things not important to the history of the respirator as well?
Skullsplitterjulian ( talk) 14:26, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
what the hell is with this section? whoever wrote it went comma happy on the first sentence; it just reads bad. And furthermore, should this really even be in a wiki article? Some of them are already in the references section for god's sake — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.70.75.244 ( talk) 02:33, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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I can't see any info in the article about the "elephant in the room" question for ordinary commuter/cyclist anti-pollution masks - what's the point of blocking out 2.5-micron particles from the ambient air if you breathe in possibly carcinogenic fibreglass particles from the mask itself? How is it possible not to breathe in fibreglass threads/particles from a fibreglass mask if it's directly in front of your nose and mouth?
Can it really be possible that there's no research on the permissible exposure limits (or European equivalent) of fibreglass particles that are typically breathed in from HEPA masks? Any relevant info would be good to add to this Wikipedia article... Boud ( talk) 14:21, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
In case anyone is still concerned, in the US the respirators are typically tested using equipment that would detect any particles- not just the salt test challenge, but also any fiberglass or plastic particles. https://www.tsi.com/getmedia/55d5d5f8-df43-4513-8ea8-33ccf61e956d/8127-8130_1931214_USA_web?ext=.pdf Drottach ( talk) 02:34, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
I would like to add a section to this article to document the current increased demand for face masks, due to the current outbreak of Covid 19. this is an notable subject, as per WP:GNG, with plenty of Reliable sources. I am providing a set of links below to notable news coverage of this topic. I will also provide some draft text below. but this is simply a nutshell, capsule version of what would go in the article itself. once this is added to the article, I would seek to provide more detail within the actual entry.
Here is possible draft text. Open to any feed back on this. -- Sm8900 ( talk) 02:11, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
The University of Hong Kong-Shenzhen Hospital released a youtube video on how to make masks and an eye shield.
Basic info:
Govt health agencies:
Concerns over shortages at healthcare and other organizations
concerns with general shortages:
Concerns about demand and production:
Business outlook
Concerns about price gouging:
QUOTE, Washington Post article, Washington state asked the U.S. stockpile for coronavirus masks. The response raises concerns.:
As coronavirus cases in Washington state mounted and the country’s first death was announced Saturday, health authorities scrambled to get more specialized masks for front-line clinicians who need to protect themselves from the highly contagious disease.
Washington state authorities sent an urgent request for 233,000 respirators and 200,000 surgical masks to be released from the federal government’s Strategic National Stockpile. The stockpile is a repository of drugs and supplies for deployment in major public health emergencies, such as an infectious disease outbreak.
Within 24 hours, Washington state’s liaison to the federal government, Casey Katims, was told his state would get assistance. But it would be less than half the amount they requested — 93,600 N95 respirators and 100,200 surgical masks.
“They did not tell us the reason for why they were fulfilling half the request,” Katims told The Washington Post.
Gov. Jay Inslee (D) has declared a state of emergency. By Thursday, the case count rose to 70, up from 39 on Wednesday, with a another fatal case in King County, in the greater Seattle area, bringing the death toll in Washington state to 11.
Feel free to express any comments below.
With the COVID-19 crisis, how many of these masks are necessary for the medical staff treating patients versus the public doing their shopping in a supermarket? "Many disposable respirators have anti-microbial surfaces, but over time they can start to be a home to germs. Change them out after 8-10 hours even if they're not dirty." [1] SvenAERTS ( talk) 12:36, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 9 January 2023 and 10 May 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Falharb3, Yalharbi33 ( article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by UCIHGrad18 ( talk) 19:51, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
One of the more valid criticisms of respirators, IMO, is that badly designed respirators can have very high pressure drop, (breathing resistance), and can leak very easily at the slightest face seal intrusion. I'm skeptical that CO2 build up is significant, even though some sources I've read do suggest NIOSH has looked into the issue. With that being said, some of the excess number of sources here do fail verification: one is Sinkule-2003, which only talks about the workings of a breathing simulator, and doesn't seem to make any conclusions on Pressure Drop vs CO2.
I'll go ahead and verify the other sources, and redo this section over time.⸺ RandomStaplers 21:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)