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Hi there,
I made this page because I felt that Ardern's resignation was enough of an internationally recognised event to warrant one. I compare this to the pages for the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI, the pages entailing the Truss ministry and the subsequent crisis (which extensively covers her resignation), and the July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis, which covered Boris Johnson's resignation. I feel a concise article on Jacinda's resignation, the response and its implications (which are potentially widespread, given her international profile and the impending election) would be of benefit. I think it goes without saying that having too much detail on her page about all the different responses would constitute undue length, so it would be rather useful to contain the necessary ones seperately. Aubernas ( talk) 01:23, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Aubernas, we can't put a URL into a citation template under the parameter title
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The claim is made at the end of the lead section that "Ardern is the most recent New Zealand prime minister to have never lost an election since John Key". The source calls her "undefeated", by which I think they mean she resigned voluntarily rather than by losing an election or caucus challenge. Electoral history of Jacinda Ardern make it clear that she failed to win elections from 2008 to 2014 in Waikato and Auckland Central, while becoming an MP on the party list. John Key did indeed win every election (for Parliament) he stood in. I think the wording should be changed to "retired voluntarily" or similar.- gadfium 02:49, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
I see that this image has been deleted from this article several times, without consensus. So I've added it back in and changed the caption to tie it into the article.
A photograph of Ardern wearing a hijab at a community centre in Christchurch in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks there. The photo came to symbolise her empathetic style of leadership, which also made her the target of organised online attacks from the far-right.
The response to ChCh was Ardern's first encounter with the far-right as PM, and made her vulnerable to their vitriol. When I wrote this article I included this news story which elaborated further; it's still cited in the article under reactions>domestic. The deluge of hatred towards her specifically (which was speculated to have contributed to her burnout) was most visible at the 2022 Wellington protest, but had its roots on her response to the 15 of March. That image's significance to this of the beginning of the online opposition against her personally, and I believe we should keep it in the article. Aubernas ( talk) 03:21, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Several IP users supported keeping it there? And it's not synthesis. I can't make you read the article I cited that supports my argument. I'm the only one who's taken it to talk instead of edit warring. Aubernas ( talk) 01:23, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
We can cut the image seeing as there’s relative consensus, but we won’t trim the article. It’s got important information about her premiership that gives context to her resignation. It’s a well-fleshed out article and I have had more than a handful of users back me up on this. Aubernas ( talk) 23:32, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
Even though I largely agree with it, the language used when describing events seem to treat certain views of it as fact, and convey to much emotion. Such as:
"A rise in anti-vaccine hysteria, fuelled by external right-wing influences, demonised Ardern"
"and Ardern personally was scapegoated by some in its wake"
I think the article would benefit from having some of the more emotional language stripped from it. 1mikeymouse1 ( talk) 04:22, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
"Regarded as one of New Zealand's most important and popular leaders in recent history"
During the end of her term she was not well regarded with her approval ratings being in the high 20s because of this I feel like it should be mentioned in said sentence that well she was popular at the start of her term in the end she widely disliked Scarlet Immortal ( talk) 09:33, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
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Hi there,
I made this page because I felt that Ardern's resignation was enough of an internationally recognised event to warrant one. I compare this to the pages for the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI, the pages entailing the Truss ministry and the subsequent crisis (which extensively covers her resignation), and the July 2022 United Kingdom government crisis, which covered Boris Johnson's resignation. I feel a concise article on Jacinda's resignation, the response and its implications (which are potentially widespread, given her international profile and the impending election) would be of benefit. I think it goes without saying that having too much detail on her page about all the different responses would constitute undue length, so it would be rather useful to contain the necessary ones seperately. Aubernas ( talk) 01:23, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Aubernas, we can't put a URL into a citation template under the parameter title
; it causes a citation error. You've done that for a couple of tweets. Please use
Template:Cite tweet instead.
Schwede
66
02:07, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 04:52, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
The file should be replaced by one of these available at
[1] which have more chance to be properly licenced.
Maungapohatu (
talk)
05:24, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
The claim is made at the end of the lead section that "Ardern is the most recent New Zealand prime minister to have never lost an election since John Key". The source calls her "undefeated", by which I think they mean she resigned voluntarily rather than by losing an election or caucus challenge. Electoral history of Jacinda Ardern make it clear that she failed to win elections from 2008 to 2014 in Waikato and Auckland Central, while becoming an MP on the party list. John Key did indeed win every election (for Parliament) he stood in. I think the wording should be changed to "retired voluntarily" or similar.- gadfium 02:49, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
I see that this image has been deleted from this article several times, without consensus. So I've added it back in and changed the caption to tie it into the article.
A photograph of Ardern wearing a hijab at a community centre in Christchurch in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks there. The photo came to symbolise her empathetic style of leadership, which also made her the target of organised online attacks from the far-right.
The response to ChCh was Ardern's first encounter with the far-right as PM, and made her vulnerable to their vitriol. When I wrote this article I included this news story which elaborated further; it's still cited in the article under reactions>domestic. The deluge of hatred towards her specifically (which was speculated to have contributed to her burnout) was most visible at the 2022 Wellington protest, but had its roots on her response to the 15 of March. That image's significance to this of the beginning of the online opposition against her personally, and I believe we should keep it in the article. Aubernas ( talk) 03:21, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Several IP users supported keeping it there? And it's not synthesis. I can't make you read the article I cited that supports my argument. I'm the only one who's taken it to talk instead of edit warring. Aubernas ( talk) 01:23, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
We can cut the image seeing as there’s relative consensus, but we won’t trim the article. It’s got important information about her premiership that gives context to her resignation. It’s a well-fleshed out article and I have had more than a handful of users back me up on this. Aubernas ( talk) 23:32, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
Even though I largely agree with it, the language used when describing events seem to treat certain views of it as fact, and convey to much emotion. Such as:
"A rise in anti-vaccine hysteria, fuelled by external right-wing influences, demonised Ardern"
"and Ardern personally was scapegoated by some in its wake"
I think the article would benefit from having some of the more emotional language stripped from it. 1mikeymouse1 ( talk) 04:22, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
"Regarded as one of New Zealand's most important and popular leaders in recent history"
During the end of her term she was not well regarded with her approval ratings being in the high 20s because of this I feel like it should be mentioned in said sentence that well she was popular at the start of her term in the end she widely disliked Scarlet Immortal ( talk) 09:33, 12 September 2023 (UTC)