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Hi... I'm disturbed to find that large chunks of this article are IDENTICAL to the entry on Pakistan's ISI, with the same phrases being used with only one or two word modifications! I know the two services have common roots, but frankly this seems, at least, lazy, and at worst implausible. Surelyh there are more than geographic differences between the two agencies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.24.203.93 ( talk) 19:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Can someone add external links to this article? Like a more detailed coverage on the topic.. by a news website or government website? thanx. -- Spundun 21:32, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Have added a few words about the alleged RAW involvement in the 1996 US scandal involving illegal funding to political candidates in the US. BTW, heard that the tenure of the present director has been increased. can someone verify? Cheers, Theruvath Prasanth Mathew -- T.prasanth.mathew 20:55, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
can somebody change it? i'm a new user - ironturn
Err...I haven't looked at previous iterations of the article, but I just came across it and it still looks like it has POV problems, generally, as previously mentioned, slanting towards Pakistan. Saying the Indian army "unleashed a reign of terror" is hardly NPOV language. It's not outrageous, but it's not as good as it should be. The article is otherwise pretty spiffy. Maybe I'll try to tackle a cleanup myself after I do some research. Ford MF 05:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
First of all it is not propaganda, R&AW is heavily involve in internal affairs of Pakistan. 3 balochs hijack plane from Quetta and wanted to take it to mumbai. This is factual. and lastly, don't get offended that easily, this is something for knowledge, we don't want to listen "India is great etc etc" and of course you would do the same, so please avoid any irrational comments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atheistbyfaith ( talk • contribs) 13:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
how to join in r.a.w..? now i am studying m.b.a. how can i join in your organisation. MY AIM IS TO BECOME AN R.A.W. OFFICER please contact me @
Direct recruitment: Deputy Field Officers (at the junior level), field officers and senior field officers are appointed directly to the Research & Analysis Service (RAS). Recruitment at the lowest level is that of an ‘attache’ and during the probation period, you are designated as Under Secretary. As per the rules, 50 per cent of the posts in the senior cadre are filled through direct recruitment while the remaining are filled through promotions and deputation of special officers from the CBI, IT, Customs, RBI, and the state police (at the SP, DIG or IG level) for a period of 5-7 years which is extendable up to ten years. Senior level appointments: These are made in two ways: (i) on-campus recruitment of Civil Service candidates while training for the foundation course and (ii) recruitment of University graduates. You must have a first division from Class X onwards. Final selection is made through interviews. Specialist appointments: Personnel for technical or scientific jobs are selected through campus interviews which are conducted at such institutes. Generally, those with some experience in government organisations are preferred. The Interview Panel includes experts and selectors from the UPSC. Language specialists: Interestingly, RAW also employs language specialists as its work involves dealing with foreign countries.
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/20020618/edu.htm Legaleagle86 15:14, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
its high time that the raw page have an infobox so i would like to invite help on the issue Legaleagle86 16:28, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Research and Analysis Wing |
Satya, Sampurna, Sarvatrya |
Director : P K H Tharakan |
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Department : PM Office |
Established : September 21, 1968 |
Budget : Classified |
Employees : Classified |
Major units: |
Methods of Intelligence collections: |
Notable Directors: |
suggestions and modifications will be helpful
Legaleagle86
05:35, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
The Wikipedia article: Operation Blue Star: This was the codename given to the storming of the holiest Sikh shrine, the Golden Temple of Amritsar in 1984. Although it was a domestic matter and IB's concern, yet R&AW was pulled in because of the active Pakistani involvement. R&AW drew flak as it could not assess the strength of Bhindranwale's forces. What was to be a 5 hours operation stretched to five days and tanks had to be brought in and Indian Army suffered heavy casualties. Ultimately Indira Gandhi had to pay with her own life as she was gunned down by her Sikh bodyguard in retaliation to Operation Blue Star.
"Raw at War-Genesis of Secret Agencies in Ancient India":
Operation Blue Star: This was the codename given to the storming of the holiest Sikh shrine, the Golden Temple of Amritsar in 1984. Although it was a domestic matter and IB's concern, yet RAW was pulled in under the pretext of a foreign element's (allegedly Pakistani) involvement. RAW failed miserably as it could not assess the strength of Bhindranwale's forces. What was to be a 5 hours' operation stretched to 5 days and tanks had to be brought in and Indian Army suffered heavy casualties. Ultimately Indira Gandhi had to pay with her own life as she was gunned down by her Sikh bodyguard in retaliation to Operation Blue Star. Kao, the Prime Minister's Security Adviser resigned within 24 hours of her assassination.
This text is virtually identical to that of the source, and everything that I have removed is of the same kind. I understand that copyrights can be a pain, but Wikipedia cannot have copyrighted content (and this is way too much content to qualify for fair use). NatusRoma | Talk 06:37, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
The Wikipedia article on sikkim op: Encircled by Tibet, Nepal, Bhutan and West Bengal in the Eastern Himalayas Sikkim was ruled by a Maharaja. The Indian Government had recognized the title of Chogyal (Dharma Raja) for the Mahraja of Sikkim. In 1972 R&AW was given the green signal to go ahead with the operation of installing a pro-Indian democratic government there. In less than three years Sikkim became the 22nd State of the Indian Union on April 26, 1975.
"Raw at War-Genesis of Secret Agencies in Ancient India" Sikkim: Encircled by Tibet, Nepal, Bhutan and West Bengal in the Eastern Himalayas, Sikkim presented a lucrative target to the Indians. It was ruled by a Maharaja. The Indian Government had recognized the title of Chogyal (Dharma Raja) for the Mahraja of Sikkim. After their kill in East Pakistan, in 1972, RAW was given the green signal to go ahead with the operation of installing a pro-Indian democratic government there. In less than three years, with the manipulation of RAW, Sikkim became the 22nd State of the Indian Union on April 26, 1975.
The identical sentences in the paras are merely facts eg, sikkim is surrounded by WB,tibet, nepal etc. eg, the maharaja of sikkim was known as chogyal, these sentences cant be copyrighted, moreover the tone of the two articles are completely different (though being a lawyer i must say it doesnt affect the copyright law) thus i find there is no question of copyright infringrmrnt on the sikkim issue.
similarly on the issue of soft target the offending lines are On 23 June, 1985 Air India's Flight 182 was blown up near Ireland and 329 innocent lives were lost. On the same day another explosion took place at Tokyo's Narita airport's transit baggage building where baggage was being transferred from Cathay Pacific Flight No CP 003 to Air India's Flight 301 which was scheduled for Bangkok. Both aircraft were loaded with explosives from Canadian airports. Flight 301 got saved because of a delay in its departure.
these are FACTS and facts can NEVER be copyrighted (under few continental laws few facts have been copyrighted but under US laws facts cant be copyrighted) i welcome anyone to leave their views on whether this para contains anything other than facts.
poornima (except for the sentence under tight wraps of security is fact), mauritus also belong to the FACT cant be COPYRIGHTED category.
thanks all and do take your time to read the original books from which SM HALI plagarised and pls do leave ideas about infobox. Wishing every one SUBHO BIJOYA..... Legaleagle86 07:21, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
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I have to commend Legaleagle86, Bharatveer, NatusRoma and all the other wikipedians who have expanded this page to what it is now, and made it extremely informative..(compared to the old one). I appreciate the efforts you have taken, especially considering the obscure nature of the RAW...
...Keep up the good work guys.
P.S...a small suggestion...the slogan in the infobox should be satyameva jayate instead of satyam Eva jayate. The former is the spelling used in the official insignias of India as ell as being a correct transliteration from sanskrit.While Satyam Eva Jayate would be grammatically acceptable as a splitting of the roots, they are usually conjoined.
prasad88 09:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Eg:Rāmah - means the word indicates something that is masculine Rāmā - means the word indicates something that is feminine Rāmam - means the word indicates something that is meutral
Note: Given all the three indicates the Sabda in Prathama Vibhakti, eka vachana.
So Satyam has no gender in the word when used in mundaka upanishad. Eva means only.Jayate means to win (It was an "Atmanepada Sabda").
So when using Satyam Eva Jayate eventually become Satyameva Jayate. In sanskrit there is no Sabda called meva. We can use any of the above two, Since Sanskrit is higly inflected language, it is suggested to write the later one.- User:Bsskchaitanya (9.41) 20 November 2006 (UTC)
There were news that Wing employees are poorly paid than Pakistan. Will anybody give details? vkvora 17:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
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I Like to RAW. Anyone pls let me know to procedures Advance thanks... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ksmaniam ( talk • contribs) 15:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC).
Hi everyone, on the Evolution of R&AW it specifically says Sanjeevi Pillai in 1947 took over as the first Indian Director. However in contrast to this in the Directors of R&AW section it says that R.N.Kao was the first director and there is no mention of Sanjeevi Pillai whatsoever on the list of directors. Could someone please clarify and elucidate, is this an editing error or what? Many thanks in advance
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The section on "media portrayal" is completely irrelevant and doesn't add one bit to the encyclopedic value of the article. I would strongly suggest that this section be slated for deletion. If necessary, please move the content to more relevant pages, like some page about Bollywood.( Anonymi ( talk) 03:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC))
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
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Does anyone feel that there is a need for citations here? I inserted one "fact" thingummabob for section Functions of R&AW where we don't know how we know that separatist tendencies are grounds for recruitment into R&AW. Who alleged this? Also, is getting a mole or a person to defect from another spy/terrorist/government organization the same as "recruitment"? I am not sure about that.... Nshuks7 ( talk) 07:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Upon following the link to the Vohra committee report, I found that it had been published in 1993 (more than 15 years ago) and the report itself cited facts discovered from the 1980s! Isn't that a bit dated? I will look for what amendments to this article are needed because of this. Nshuks7 ( talk) 07:21, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Balochistan related sections do not cite any relevant sources. The three sources mentioned:
don't even mention the words "balochistan", "baloch", "raw" or "research and analysis wing" anywhere in the body of the articles. Hence I intend to remove the suspect passages. Please advise. Nshuks7 ( talk) 06:44, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Similarly, citation number 48 ( http://nesohr.org/human-rights-reports/StatisticsOnCiviliansAffectedByWar.pdf?PHPSESSID=8204ff9bfa58e205f71a95c3899f8835), supposed to be stating:
R&AW created a terrorist organisation to stop Sri Lanka from developing quickly economically and forging ties with other nations in the West or China. R&AW funded and armed the terrorists to wreak havoc in the country. Breaking with the Past By Shirin R. Tahir-Kheli, p54
does not exist. Nshuks7 ( talk) 16:39, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
I made a number of changes, mostly wp:MOS. Not repeating article name in sections. There were a number of structures in the article that were unique. Replaced with more usual structures... bolded lists with subsections for example. - Sinneed 02:20, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Raw was Formenting Independence movmentment in Bangladesh From some experts before Banlgdeah liberation war if any intersted in coming up wiht a consensus to be place in raw activities in Banldaesh war of indpendence. Furthermore stated by a cridible resource Council of Foriegn realtions
Furthermore more info on INdia raw role in the bangla movement it said india supported mujib Shiekh nationliat ideas in the 1960s before the 1970s brutal crackdown from the Paksiatni army. http://www.fas.org/irp/world/india/raw/index.html this is the same Webpage used onn the raw site in wiki 203.94.136.98 ( talk) 203.94.136.98 ( talk)
have add to giv balanced View
http://www.cfr.org/publication/17707/raw.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.94.136.98 ( talk) 21:12, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
I want to be a part.
Hi all, during past few days there has been (what I perceive to be) a very low profile edit warring on 'controversy' section of the article. The main bone of contention seems to be two issue one of misuse of position after retirement by ex chief the other being the issue of ethnic imbalance. Phylusphish for the first time brought out the issue of misuse of position, the data on ethnic imbalance was already there in the article but in the introductory para of the controversy section Phylusphish added the issues of discrimination to sikhs and made it into a seperate section. I had reverted the edits as I felt that the edits did not add value to the article and was not in sync with the general style of the article, later Phylusphish left a message at my talk page and we had a discussion on the issue [3]. Later I retained the references dug out by Phylusphish and re added the info on specific corruption charges leveled against a company. The article remained stable for few days and after that a completely new user Kahdaius made the exact changes which were done by Phylusphish, an anon blanked the data, after that there has been one round of reversion by me and I have also put the data of misuse of official position in the biographic wiki article of the ex chief [4], I mentioned it in my edit summary during reversal. Yet afterwards Kahdaius readded the same data. I would request all the concerned parties to come together and resolve the question as to whether the data on 'Unsanctioned Post-Retirement Perks' of the ex chief which has been added to the biographic article merits a mention at the page on the agency. Thanks. LegalEagle ( talk) 03:02, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
An edit was reverted without any obvious discussion, stating there was no
wp:consensus to delete. Well, I don't right off hand see consensus to include. Please be sure It is usually best when following
wp:BRD to actually do the "D" part after reverting a
wp:bold edit.-
Sinneed
06:12, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
There seems to be a dispute about adding the ISI to the article. On review, I don't see the need to mention either CIA or ISI... and propose dropping both and adding "more widely known agencies" or similar text. Also, while I do see this as a potential wp:edit war, I don't see wp:vandalism.- Sinneed 21:48, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
The lead states that RAW "was formed in September 1968, after the newly independent Republic of India was faced with 2 consecutive wars, the Sino-Indian war of 1962 and the India-Pakistani war of 1965". Even by 1962, the date of the first event mentioned, India had been independent for 15 years and a republic for 12. Is that really newly independent? Loganberry ( Talk) 19:23, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Should we add to the article info regarding accusations from Pakistan of involvement of RAW in the Balochistan trouble. RAW's involvement is of course not proven, but Pak's accusations are a fact. Circumcised ( talk) 12:31, 7 March 2011 (UTCl
Hi, there are unconfirmed reports on the revival of CIT-X and the launch of a joint "summer offensive" by R&AW and Mossad in 2010. While this piece of info hasn't appeared in mainstream media, I thought it would be wise to do a check. One such link: http://totallyfreepress.wordpress.com/2011/03/14/secret-indian-document-pakistan-dragon-policy-cit-x-ops-mossad-iran/ Vk1 ( talk) 15:17, 22 August 2011 (UTC)vk1
I have set up archive for archiving thread older than year. Please discuss below if you feel 1 year is not appropriate-- DBig Xray 21:11, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
IMO, we should keep it as RAW, since that is the most commonly used abbreviation, even by Government and Intelligence officials. For one, its simpler, and it aids easy pronounciation. R&AW may be used once or twice in the page, but I think it should be RAW in all other places. Sniperz11 15:53, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
The Sanskrit phrase धर्मो रक्षति रक्षित: is recorded in the article just below the picture of the logo. Is there any record indicating that this Sanskrit phrase is a sort of a motto or slogan of the R&AW? If there is a reference, it should be referenced here or this phrase should be deleted since it is not giving any additional information and is probably misleading.- Prodey ( talk) 21:08, 7 July 2012 (UTC)prodey 08-July-2012
SIR RAJINDER KHANA -AS I AM PART OF BHARAT PARIVAR "EK BHARAT MATA UNKE HUM SAB BACHEY=EK PARIVAR" JAI BHARAT MATA KI..SIR OUR PM HAS GIVEN WAY THAT GOES WITH YOU SIR AS WE ARE MEANS OUR BROTHERS OF INDIAN ARMY VERY WELL AND NEXT TARGET IS TO VANISH THE HEAD QUARTERS OF TERRORIST ORG. IN PAKISTAN VERY SOON. SO ITS NOT EASY BUT WE WILL HAVE VICTORY BY THE GRACE OF GOD. SIR I HAVE LIVED 5 YRS IN BOMBAY IN 1992 TO 1997 AND (FROM MY CHILDHOOD WEAPONS ARE MY PASSION TO KNOW MAXIMUM .AS KNOW SIR MODI JI IS GOING TO ISRAEL ABD AS YOU KNOW 'CORNER SHOT" IS UNBEATEABLE TILL TODAY. TOMORROW NO ONE HAS SEEN. SIR I WANT BE BE A SOLDIER OF RAW AND BHARAT MATA. REQUEST IS THAT GIVE SOME ID AND POWER TO DO MY BEST FOR OR BHARAT FAMILY. SIR IN PUNJAB WE HAVE SEEN A LONG PHASE OF TERRORISM AT THAT TIME MY COUSIN BROTHER-IN-LAW IPS SH. RP JOSHI WERE IG HQ. TO WIN IF WE THINK WITH SAME MIND OF ANTI SOCIAL ELEMENTS OR TERRORISTS OR ABOVE THEN THEIR THINKING THEN WE CAN ACHIEVE THE GOAL.AS CHIEF OF K.F.C DALJEET BITTU WAS IN NAWANSHEHAR AND ONE OTHER PLACE IN JULL. DISST. BUT IT WAS DECLARED AND IN NEWS THAT HE IS IN PAKISTAN. SAME IS POSITION OF DAWOOD HE IS FOR 300 DAYS IN INDIA 50 DAYS IN DUBAI AND IF THEN MAXIMUM 5 DAYS IN PAK ITS MY ITTIUTION SIR..AS PER YOUR ORDER I WILL TRY TO DO MY BEST AND A HAND FOR YOU SIR..THANKS....VANDE MATRAM SYR RAJINDER JI PL. CHECK MY TWITTER N FB AC. 24 HOURS AT DUTY MOB.NO.REGT.IN OUR GOVT +91 9814090056..LDH.PUNJAB--GOD BLESS BHARAT AND BHARAT PARIVAR...JAI BHARAT MATA KI 117.199.98.48 ( talk) 08:30, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
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Hey there, @ SshibumXZ:. What here [7] I am trying to say is RAW was failed in Kargil war not other Indo-Pak wars and the source is about Kargil War Report not the other wars. Anmolbhat ( talk) 14:11, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
What is the wikipedia policy on conversion of currency? In the article India Rupee has been converted using current exchange rate. However, that paints a grossly misleading picture as USD-INR exchange rate was quite different in 1970s and 1980s. I believe any conversion should be done in the exchange rate of the time and not when the article is being written. The exchange rate in early 70s was 7.5 INR to every USD as compared to about 70 INR for every USD. 20 million INR would have been about 2.7 million USD rather than 300k USD that is converted in the article. I will make the changes in a week if there is no reply to this comment. Ruppanbabu ( talk) 23:05, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
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I want join raw Shivanand Vairagi ( talk) 07:22, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
I propose that the content in the “Operations” section be organised using subsections:-The list of operations is too long for comfortable navigation. Also, a reader who is trying to find a specific operation in the list will have difficulty. Therefore, it makes sense in putting each operation in the section into separate subsections.— Vaibhavafro ( talk) 12:10, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Do you mind explaining non-relevant sources and not-constructive edits that I made to the RAW article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.222.27.228 ( talk) 18:42, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
1. The Pakistani claim of Mr. Jadhav being an R&AW operative is ambiguous, and totally declined by the Government of India.
2. Furthermore, the case of Mr. Jadhav is in the International Court of Justice, Hauge, and so such remarks have been made by the authority either.
3. Therefore, the name from the list may please be deleted at the earliest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User4edits ( talk • contribs) 14:50, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
A large part of this article is enclosed in an HTML comment and is not displayed to the reader. Certes ( talk) 10:20, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
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Hi... I'm disturbed to find that large chunks of this article are IDENTICAL to the entry on Pakistan's ISI, with the same phrases being used with only one or two word modifications! I know the two services have common roots, but frankly this seems, at least, lazy, and at worst implausible. Surelyh there are more than geographic differences between the two agencies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.24.203.93 ( talk) 19:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Can someone add external links to this article? Like a more detailed coverage on the topic.. by a news website or government website? thanx. -- Spundun 21:32, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Have added a few words about the alleged RAW involvement in the 1996 US scandal involving illegal funding to political candidates in the US. BTW, heard that the tenure of the present director has been increased. can someone verify? Cheers, Theruvath Prasanth Mathew -- T.prasanth.mathew 20:55, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
can somebody change it? i'm a new user - ironturn
Err...I haven't looked at previous iterations of the article, but I just came across it and it still looks like it has POV problems, generally, as previously mentioned, slanting towards Pakistan. Saying the Indian army "unleashed a reign of terror" is hardly NPOV language. It's not outrageous, but it's not as good as it should be. The article is otherwise pretty spiffy. Maybe I'll try to tackle a cleanup myself after I do some research. Ford MF 05:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
First of all it is not propaganda, R&AW is heavily involve in internal affairs of Pakistan. 3 balochs hijack plane from Quetta and wanted to take it to mumbai. This is factual. and lastly, don't get offended that easily, this is something for knowledge, we don't want to listen "India is great etc etc" and of course you would do the same, so please avoid any irrational comments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atheistbyfaith ( talk • contribs) 13:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
how to join in r.a.w..? now i am studying m.b.a. how can i join in your organisation. MY AIM IS TO BECOME AN R.A.W. OFFICER please contact me @
Direct recruitment: Deputy Field Officers (at the junior level), field officers and senior field officers are appointed directly to the Research & Analysis Service (RAS). Recruitment at the lowest level is that of an ‘attache’ and during the probation period, you are designated as Under Secretary. As per the rules, 50 per cent of the posts in the senior cadre are filled through direct recruitment while the remaining are filled through promotions and deputation of special officers from the CBI, IT, Customs, RBI, and the state police (at the SP, DIG or IG level) for a period of 5-7 years which is extendable up to ten years. Senior level appointments: These are made in two ways: (i) on-campus recruitment of Civil Service candidates while training for the foundation course and (ii) recruitment of University graduates. You must have a first division from Class X onwards. Final selection is made through interviews. Specialist appointments: Personnel for technical or scientific jobs are selected through campus interviews which are conducted at such institutes. Generally, those with some experience in government organisations are preferred. The Interview Panel includes experts and selectors from the UPSC. Language specialists: Interestingly, RAW also employs language specialists as its work involves dealing with foreign countries.
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/20020618/edu.htm Legaleagle86 15:14, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
its high time that the raw page have an infobox so i would like to invite help on the issue Legaleagle86 16:28, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Research and Analysis Wing |
Satya, Sampurna, Sarvatrya |
Director : P K H Tharakan |
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Department : PM Office |
Established : September 21, 1968 |
Budget : Classified |
Employees : Classified |
Major units: |
Methods of Intelligence collections: |
Notable Directors: |
suggestions and modifications will be helpful
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The Wikipedia article: Operation Blue Star: This was the codename given to the storming of the holiest Sikh shrine, the Golden Temple of Amritsar in 1984. Although it was a domestic matter and IB's concern, yet R&AW was pulled in because of the active Pakistani involvement. R&AW drew flak as it could not assess the strength of Bhindranwale's forces. What was to be a 5 hours operation stretched to five days and tanks had to be brought in and Indian Army suffered heavy casualties. Ultimately Indira Gandhi had to pay with her own life as she was gunned down by her Sikh bodyguard in retaliation to Operation Blue Star.
"Raw at War-Genesis of Secret Agencies in Ancient India":
Operation Blue Star: This was the codename given to the storming of the holiest Sikh shrine, the Golden Temple of Amritsar in 1984. Although it was a domestic matter and IB's concern, yet RAW was pulled in under the pretext of a foreign element's (allegedly Pakistani) involvement. RAW failed miserably as it could not assess the strength of Bhindranwale's forces. What was to be a 5 hours' operation stretched to 5 days and tanks had to be brought in and Indian Army suffered heavy casualties. Ultimately Indira Gandhi had to pay with her own life as she was gunned down by her Sikh bodyguard in retaliation to Operation Blue Star. Kao, the Prime Minister's Security Adviser resigned within 24 hours of her assassination.
This text is virtually identical to that of the source, and everything that I have removed is of the same kind. I understand that copyrights can be a pain, but Wikipedia cannot have copyrighted content (and this is way too much content to qualify for fair use). NatusRoma | Talk 06:37, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
The Wikipedia article on sikkim op: Encircled by Tibet, Nepal, Bhutan and West Bengal in the Eastern Himalayas Sikkim was ruled by a Maharaja. The Indian Government had recognized the title of Chogyal (Dharma Raja) for the Mahraja of Sikkim. In 1972 R&AW was given the green signal to go ahead with the operation of installing a pro-Indian democratic government there. In less than three years Sikkim became the 22nd State of the Indian Union on April 26, 1975.
"Raw at War-Genesis of Secret Agencies in Ancient India" Sikkim: Encircled by Tibet, Nepal, Bhutan and West Bengal in the Eastern Himalayas, Sikkim presented a lucrative target to the Indians. It was ruled by a Maharaja. The Indian Government had recognized the title of Chogyal (Dharma Raja) for the Mahraja of Sikkim. After their kill in East Pakistan, in 1972, RAW was given the green signal to go ahead with the operation of installing a pro-Indian democratic government there. In less than three years, with the manipulation of RAW, Sikkim became the 22nd State of the Indian Union on April 26, 1975.
The identical sentences in the paras are merely facts eg, sikkim is surrounded by WB,tibet, nepal etc. eg, the maharaja of sikkim was known as chogyal, these sentences cant be copyrighted, moreover the tone of the two articles are completely different (though being a lawyer i must say it doesnt affect the copyright law) thus i find there is no question of copyright infringrmrnt on the sikkim issue.
similarly on the issue of soft target the offending lines are On 23 June, 1985 Air India's Flight 182 was blown up near Ireland and 329 innocent lives were lost. On the same day another explosion took place at Tokyo's Narita airport's transit baggage building where baggage was being transferred from Cathay Pacific Flight No CP 003 to Air India's Flight 301 which was scheduled for Bangkok. Both aircraft were loaded with explosives from Canadian airports. Flight 301 got saved because of a delay in its departure.
these are FACTS and facts can NEVER be copyrighted (under few continental laws few facts have been copyrighted but under US laws facts cant be copyrighted) i welcome anyone to leave their views on whether this para contains anything other than facts.
poornima (except for the sentence under tight wraps of security is fact), mauritus also belong to the FACT cant be COPYRIGHTED category.
thanks all and do take your time to read the original books from which SM HALI plagarised and pls do leave ideas about infobox. Wishing every one SUBHO BIJOYA..... Legaleagle86 07:21, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
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I have to commend Legaleagle86, Bharatveer, NatusRoma and all the other wikipedians who have expanded this page to what it is now, and made it extremely informative..(compared to the old one). I appreciate the efforts you have taken, especially considering the obscure nature of the RAW...
...Keep up the good work guys.
P.S...a small suggestion...the slogan in the infobox should be satyameva jayate instead of satyam Eva jayate. The former is the spelling used in the official insignias of India as ell as being a correct transliteration from sanskrit.While Satyam Eva Jayate would be grammatically acceptable as a splitting of the roots, they are usually conjoined.
prasad88 09:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Eg:Rāmah - means the word indicates something that is masculine Rāmā - means the word indicates something that is feminine Rāmam - means the word indicates something that is meutral
Note: Given all the three indicates the Sabda in Prathama Vibhakti, eka vachana.
So Satyam has no gender in the word when used in mundaka upanishad. Eva means only.Jayate means to win (It was an "Atmanepada Sabda").
So when using Satyam Eva Jayate eventually become Satyameva Jayate. In sanskrit there is no Sabda called meva. We can use any of the above two, Since Sanskrit is higly inflected language, it is suggested to write the later one.- User:Bsskchaitanya (9.41) 20 November 2006 (UTC)
There were news that Wing employees are poorly paid than Pakistan. Will anybody give details? vkvora 17:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi all,
I Like to RAW. Anyone pls let me know to procedures Advance thanks... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ksmaniam ( talk • contribs) 15:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC).
Hi everyone, on the Evolution of R&AW it specifically says Sanjeevi Pillai in 1947 took over as the first Indian Director. However in contrast to this in the Directors of R&AW section it says that R.N.Kao was the first director and there is no mention of Sanjeevi Pillai whatsoever on the list of directors. Could someone please clarify and elucidate, is this an editing error or what? Many thanks in advance
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Does anyone feel that there is a need for citations here? I inserted one "fact" thingummabob for section Functions of R&AW where we don't know how we know that separatist tendencies are grounds for recruitment into R&AW. Who alleged this? Also, is getting a mole or a person to defect from another spy/terrorist/government organization the same as "recruitment"? I am not sure about that.... Nshuks7 ( talk) 07:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Upon following the link to the Vohra committee report, I found that it had been published in 1993 (more than 15 years ago) and the report itself cited facts discovered from the 1980s! Isn't that a bit dated? I will look for what amendments to this article are needed because of this. Nshuks7 ( talk) 07:21, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Balochistan related sections do not cite any relevant sources. The three sources mentioned:
don't even mention the words "balochistan", "baloch", "raw" or "research and analysis wing" anywhere in the body of the articles. Hence I intend to remove the suspect passages. Please advise. Nshuks7 ( talk) 06:44, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Similarly, citation number 48 ( http://nesohr.org/human-rights-reports/StatisticsOnCiviliansAffectedByWar.pdf?PHPSESSID=8204ff9bfa58e205f71a95c3899f8835), supposed to be stating:
R&AW created a terrorist organisation to stop Sri Lanka from developing quickly economically and forging ties with other nations in the West or China. R&AW funded and armed the terrorists to wreak havoc in the country. Breaking with the Past By Shirin R. Tahir-Kheli, p54
does not exist. Nshuks7 ( talk) 16:39, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
I made a number of changes, mostly wp:MOS. Not repeating article name in sections. There were a number of structures in the article that were unique. Replaced with more usual structures... bolded lists with subsections for example. - Sinneed 02:20, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Raw was Formenting Independence movmentment in Bangladesh From some experts before Banlgdeah liberation war if any intersted in coming up wiht a consensus to be place in raw activities in Banldaesh war of indpendence. Furthermore stated by a cridible resource Council of Foriegn realtions
Furthermore more info on INdia raw role in the bangla movement it said india supported mujib Shiekh nationliat ideas in the 1960s before the 1970s brutal crackdown from the Paksiatni army. http://www.fas.org/irp/world/india/raw/index.html this is the same Webpage used onn the raw site in wiki 203.94.136.98 ( talk) 203.94.136.98 ( talk)
have add to giv balanced View
http://www.cfr.org/publication/17707/raw.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.94.136.98 ( talk) 21:12, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
I want to be a part.
Hi all, during past few days there has been (what I perceive to be) a very low profile edit warring on 'controversy' section of the article. The main bone of contention seems to be two issue one of misuse of position after retirement by ex chief the other being the issue of ethnic imbalance. Phylusphish for the first time brought out the issue of misuse of position, the data on ethnic imbalance was already there in the article but in the introductory para of the controversy section Phylusphish added the issues of discrimination to sikhs and made it into a seperate section. I had reverted the edits as I felt that the edits did not add value to the article and was not in sync with the general style of the article, later Phylusphish left a message at my talk page and we had a discussion on the issue [3]. Later I retained the references dug out by Phylusphish and re added the info on specific corruption charges leveled against a company. The article remained stable for few days and after that a completely new user Kahdaius made the exact changes which were done by Phylusphish, an anon blanked the data, after that there has been one round of reversion by me and I have also put the data of misuse of official position in the biographic wiki article of the ex chief [4], I mentioned it in my edit summary during reversal. Yet afterwards Kahdaius readded the same data. I would request all the concerned parties to come together and resolve the question as to whether the data on 'Unsanctioned Post-Retirement Perks' of the ex chief which has been added to the biographic article merits a mention at the page on the agency. Thanks. LegalEagle ( talk) 03:02, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
An edit was reverted without any obvious discussion, stating there was no
wp:consensus to delete. Well, I don't right off hand see consensus to include. Please be sure It is usually best when following
wp:BRD to actually do the "D" part after reverting a
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There seems to be a dispute about adding the ISI to the article. On review, I don't see the need to mention either CIA or ISI... and propose dropping both and adding "more widely known agencies" or similar text. Also, while I do see this as a potential wp:edit war, I don't see wp:vandalism.- Sinneed 21:48, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
The lead states that RAW "was formed in September 1968, after the newly independent Republic of India was faced with 2 consecutive wars, the Sino-Indian war of 1962 and the India-Pakistani war of 1965". Even by 1962, the date of the first event mentioned, India had been independent for 15 years and a republic for 12. Is that really newly independent? Loganberry ( Talk) 19:23, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Should we add to the article info regarding accusations from Pakistan of involvement of RAW in the Balochistan trouble. RAW's involvement is of course not proven, but Pak's accusations are a fact. Circumcised ( talk) 12:31, 7 March 2011 (UTCl
Hi, there are unconfirmed reports on the revival of CIT-X and the launch of a joint "summer offensive" by R&AW and Mossad in 2010. While this piece of info hasn't appeared in mainstream media, I thought it would be wise to do a check. One such link: http://totallyfreepress.wordpress.com/2011/03/14/secret-indian-document-pakistan-dragon-policy-cit-x-ops-mossad-iran/ Vk1 ( talk) 15:17, 22 August 2011 (UTC)vk1
I have set up archive for archiving thread older than year. Please discuss below if you feel 1 year is not appropriate-- DBig Xray 21:11, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
IMO, we should keep it as RAW, since that is the most commonly used abbreviation, even by Government and Intelligence officials. For one, its simpler, and it aids easy pronounciation. R&AW may be used once or twice in the page, but I think it should be RAW in all other places. Sniperz11 15:53, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
The Sanskrit phrase धर्मो रक्षति रक्षित: is recorded in the article just below the picture of the logo. Is there any record indicating that this Sanskrit phrase is a sort of a motto or slogan of the R&AW? If there is a reference, it should be referenced here or this phrase should be deleted since it is not giving any additional information and is probably misleading.- Prodey ( talk) 21:08, 7 July 2012 (UTC)prodey 08-July-2012
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The page http://rti.india.gov.in/exempted.php does not specifically mention this agency but includes some of its child agencies. Although I'm sure it is exempted from RTI but do we have a reference so that we can add it to the article?
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Hey there, @ SshibumXZ:. What here [7] I am trying to say is RAW was failed in Kargil war not other Indo-Pak wars and the source is about Kargil War Report not the other wars. Anmolbhat ( talk) 14:11, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
What is the wikipedia policy on conversion of currency? In the article India Rupee has been converted using current exchange rate. However, that paints a grossly misleading picture as USD-INR exchange rate was quite different in 1970s and 1980s. I believe any conversion should be done in the exchange rate of the time and not when the article is being written. The exchange rate in early 70s was 7.5 INR to every USD as compared to about 70 INR for every USD. 20 million INR would have been about 2.7 million USD rather than 300k USD that is converted in the article. I will make the changes in a week if there is no reply to this comment. Ruppanbabu ( talk) 23:05, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
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I want join raw Shivanand Vairagi ( talk) 07:22, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
I propose that the content in the “Operations” section be organised using subsections:-The list of operations is too long for comfortable navigation. Also, a reader who is trying to find a specific operation in the list will have difficulty. Therefore, it makes sense in putting each operation in the section into separate subsections.— Vaibhavafro ( talk) 12:10, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Do you mind explaining non-relevant sources and not-constructive edits that I made to the RAW article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.222.27.228 ( talk) 18:42, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
1. The Pakistani claim of Mr. Jadhav being an R&AW operative is ambiguous, and totally declined by the Government of India.
2. Furthermore, the case of Mr. Jadhav is in the International Court of Justice, Hauge, and so such remarks have been made by the authority either.
3. Therefore, the name from the list may please be deleted at the earliest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User4edits ( talk • contribs) 14:50, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
A large part of this article is enclosed in an HTML comment and is not displayed to the reader. Certes ( talk) 10:20, 31 August 2020 (UTC)