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This article summarizes the events in the elections Aftermath of the rally sections. I think that sections should be moved to Turkish presidential election, 2007 article. This article should be limited to 14 and 29 April events only. It is more convenient. Ayasi 22:43, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
There’s a big dispute over the number of protesters in attendance in all of the protests. All of the news sources with highly inflated numbers references Atatürkist Thought Association’s (ADD) estimate attendance numbers. They first estimate the area in terms of m2 and then multiply it by 3 (assuming 3 people per 1 m2). While everyone agrees the exact area the protests covered, Association makes an incorrect argument stating that you can take an area (which looks nothing like a square) and assume that area is a square. After calculating the correct perimeter, they incorrectly make the “square” assumption and divide perimeter by four to get the side and multiply the side by itself to get an area.
Example: Consider a Rectangle, with a perimeter of 100, length of 45 and a width of 5.
The actual Area is (length) X (width) = (45) X (5) = 225
Using the incorrect “square” assumption:
Side = 100 / 4 = 25
Area = (25) X (25) = 625 (incorrect area)
Using the incorrect "square" assumption would've given an inflated area value.
This is ADD's calculation method. Their calculation method defies the laws of mathematics. This is how they're coming up 7 digit attendance numbers. I keep posting this on the page but it keeps getting deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.150.111.130 ( talk) 17:27, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
The article must state who is protesting and why. It is not enough to say that so many people protested on this date at this location etc.
It is very important to make it clear in the article that these protests are mainly organized by some (not all) leftist groups. The Turkish flag cannot hide the fact that these concerns are not shared by all the other segments of the society. The support for these rallies will be clear in the popular elections on July 22, 2007.
If the article omits this fact then the article will wrongly portray as if these protest have a wide grass roots backing which is incorrect. Nuri Delen
I believe that claiming that these meetings were organized by leftist groups is neither correct nor just. I observed that especially women profile in the meeting included also the women profile of center right parties like Motherland or True Path. I guess that right nationalist groups also may have supported the meetings. Besides, the most well-organized leftist organizations were cold at first to the meetings. Ofcourse, there was a huge leftist support, but the enormous numbers exceeded the narrow political paths and showed a greater consensus. -- Firez2006 21:28, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
What does the USA have to do with this? It's not mentioned anyway else in the article. What are they trying to say? 71.225.102.120 21:14, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Both the 'leftist' characterization, and citing CHP as the organizer is right out of local (Turkish) Islamist propaganda (first is unkown, second is -- almost -- materially false as about 100-300 NGOs have been involed). Also, the language about the reasons is childish. I have no time to fix, but I put in a POV tag. 85.102.155.228 01:42, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I still think by looking at who has access to the microphone and who controls the access will give good indication who is behind the whole operation. The first patagraph with
sounds childish. But that is the truth. Perhaps all this is a sign of Turkey becoming more mature and hence the pain. Nuri Delen, —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NuriDelen ( talk • contribs) 14:23, 14 May 2007 (UTC).
The point is that this paragraph isn't cited at all, so can't go in the article. What source says that the rally was "mainly organized by some leftist groups under the leadership of CHP"? What source says that the main purpose of the rallies was "to prevent the election of a President whose wife is observant of Islamic traditions"? Are these claims accepted by all sides or controversial (probably the latter)? Etc. -- Delirium 19:08, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't think citing newspaper website polls adds any credibility to what's said. Papers themselves admit they are of no real use (in small print). There may still be some point in including them as they show what the newspaper (be it 'mainstream' or not) and the readership [want to] believe but they should not be used in a way to indicate what the public opinion is. 85.101.99.27 10:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I suggest moving this page to Turkish Republic protests, 2007. what do people think? The current page is not titled very specifically. — Nicholas ( reply) @ 08:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
The article contains the line "Erdoğan revealed his Islamist program when he initiated a move in 2004 to criminalize adultery" - i change that, for Islamism implies introducing the Sharia law. There are plenty of countries where adultery is criminalized as a crime against marriage, United States, South Korea and Canada included. I don't support it, it is driven by conservative reliogious core ideals but it is not enough to be classified as an Islamist. 84.167.237.147 19:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Nuri Delen, I joined the miting and I saw any kind of people there and dont show any target please.. Almost every party supporters were there except AKP.. It was demokracy miting and the aim was to show them that AKP got %25 percent of votes and AKP can not look down to other %75.. AKP should listen us.. Message was: "If AKP doesn't listen the other %75 of the country, we will delete that AKP". You got the message ? I hope you got. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.233.243.145 ( talk • contribs)
I have removed the above material from the article in the absence of sources. -- Cat chi? 21:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Should this article be nominated for GA? Baristarim 23:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
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This article summarizes the events in the elections Aftermath of the rally sections. I think that sections should be moved to Turkish presidential election, 2007 article. This article should be limited to 14 and 29 April events only. It is more convenient. Ayasi 22:43, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
There’s a big dispute over the number of protesters in attendance in all of the protests. All of the news sources with highly inflated numbers references Atatürkist Thought Association’s (ADD) estimate attendance numbers. They first estimate the area in terms of m2 and then multiply it by 3 (assuming 3 people per 1 m2). While everyone agrees the exact area the protests covered, Association makes an incorrect argument stating that you can take an area (which looks nothing like a square) and assume that area is a square. After calculating the correct perimeter, they incorrectly make the “square” assumption and divide perimeter by four to get the side and multiply the side by itself to get an area.
Example: Consider a Rectangle, with a perimeter of 100, length of 45 and a width of 5.
The actual Area is (length) X (width) = (45) X (5) = 225
Using the incorrect “square” assumption:
Side = 100 / 4 = 25
Area = (25) X (25) = 625 (incorrect area)
Using the incorrect "square" assumption would've given an inflated area value.
This is ADD's calculation method. Their calculation method defies the laws of mathematics. This is how they're coming up 7 digit attendance numbers. I keep posting this on the page but it keeps getting deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.150.111.130 ( talk) 17:27, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
The article must state who is protesting and why. It is not enough to say that so many people protested on this date at this location etc.
It is very important to make it clear in the article that these protests are mainly organized by some (not all) leftist groups. The Turkish flag cannot hide the fact that these concerns are not shared by all the other segments of the society. The support for these rallies will be clear in the popular elections on July 22, 2007.
If the article omits this fact then the article will wrongly portray as if these protest have a wide grass roots backing which is incorrect. Nuri Delen
I believe that claiming that these meetings were organized by leftist groups is neither correct nor just. I observed that especially women profile in the meeting included also the women profile of center right parties like Motherland or True Path. I guess that right nationalist groups also may have supported the meetings. Besides, the most well-organized leftist organizations were cold at first to the meetings. Ofcourse, there was a huge leftist support, but the enormous numbers exceeded the narrow political paths and showed a greater consensus. -- Firez2006 21:28, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
What does the USA have to do with this? It's not mentioned anyway else in the article. What are they trying to say? 71.225.102.120 21:14, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Both the 'leftist' characterization, and citing CHP as the organizer is right out of local (Turkish) Islamist propaganda (first is unkown, second is -- almost -- materially false as about 100-300 NGOs have been involed). Also, the language about the reasons is childish. I have no time to fix, but I put in a POV tag. 85.102.155.228 01:42, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I still think by looking at who has access to the microphone and who controls the access will give good indication who is behind the whole operation. The first patagraph with
sounds childish. But that is the truth. Perhaps all this is a sign of Turkey becoming more mature and hence the pain. Nuri Delen, —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NuriDelen ( talk • contribs) 14:23, 14 May 2007 (UTC).
The point is that this paragraph isn't cited at all, so can't go in the article. What source says that the rally was "mainly organized by some leftist groups under the leadership of CHP"? What source says that the main purpose of the rallies was "to prevent the election of a President whose wife is observant of Islamic traditions"? Are these claims accepted by all sides or controversial (probably the latter)? Etc. -- Delirium 19:08, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't think citing newspaper website polls adds any credibility to what's said. Papers themselves admit they are of no real use (in small print). There may still be some point in including them as they show what the newspaper (be it 'mainstream' or not) and the readership [want to] believe but they should not be used in a way to indicate what the public opinion is. 85.101.99.27 10:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I suggest moving this page to Turkish Republic protests, 2007. what do people think? The current page is not titled very specifically. — Nicholas ( reply) @ 08:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
The article contains the line "Erdoğan revealed his Islamist program when he initiated a move in 2004 to criminalize adultery" - i change that, for Islamism implies introducing the Sharia law. There are plenty of countries where adultery is criminalized as a crime against marriage, United States, South Korea and Canada included. I don't support it, it is driven by conservative reliogious core ideals but it is not enough to be classified as an Islamist. 84.167.237.147 19:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Nuri Delen, I joined the miting and I saw any kind of people there and dont show any target please.. Almost every party supporters were there except AKP.. It was demokracy miting and the aim was to show them that AKP got %25 percent of votes and AKP can not look down to other %75.. AKP should listen us.. Message was: "If AKP doesn't listen the other %75 of the country, we will delete that AKP". You got the message ? I hope you got. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.233.243.145 ( talk • contribs)
I have removed the above material from the article in the absence of sources. -- Cat chi? 21:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Should this article be nominated for GA? Baristarim 23:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
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