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Exactly what is the criteria for a role appearing on this list? Why, for instance, does the Berlioz Requiem have a place on it, but not the Verdi, or for that matter, Andrew Lloyd Webber? Why is a symphonic vocal role like Das Lied von der Erde included, but not the Beethoven 9th? Why is a musical theater role like Man of La Mancha cited, but not My Fair Lady (as one of Alfred P. Doolittle's friends, which was, IIRC, Domingo's first ever professional stage appearance)? DrGeoduck ( talk) 16:46, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi DrGeoduck, I suggest we start a list of "missing roles" here and include whatever information we find. Here is a first batch of roles (role name, opera, composer, debut date, theatre/location) that are not yet in the list:
Please write information about the roles you think are missing (e.g. info on the My Fair Lady LP, etc.) here below. The more information the better. Once we agree on the roles to add, we can at some point put them into the list. (Please do better not muck around with the table directly... Thanks.) 83.78.141.25 ( talk) 20:00, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Gato Montes is listed twice with the same role of Rafael. Please correct. 2A02:1205:5014:DA00:F035:83A2:C6BD:5821 ( talk) 10:31, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
Purpose of this discussion section: we are discussing here the introductory statement to this page:
Perhaps the most versatile of all living tenors,
This brief introductory statement was part of this page since its creation (13 October 2009), and actually long before (because this page was originally part of the general Plácido Domingo page and separated out into this separate page on 13 October 2009). That means, it has introduced this page for a very long time. On 26 June 2013, User Viva-Verdi removed it and gave the easy reason "remove POV intro". This removal was several times undone but without success. It is an easy removal since it's easy to flag something as a point of view while it is much more difficult to explain why it is not. Moreover, it's totally inappropriate to ask for external sources because the information on the page itself is a proof of fact: by listing so many roles of so many operas from so many periods we have a proof in itself.
Why do we want this introductory statement:
We therefore strongly ask for a reinsertion of this very brief introductory statement,
We don't mind a slight rewording of the statement.
Let us also say that is very sad that user Viva-Verdi is the one who removed the introductory statement (and thereupon found support by other "editors" who simply technically noted the page undo and have, most probably, no real knowledge about the operatic field). To address you directly: When you are a Verdi lover, as you tell on your talk page, then certainly you should know that Plácido Domingo has sung the whole tenor repertoire (he has issued a 4CD set of all tenor arias by Verdi) and he's now issuing a CD of several baritone arias. So do you really have another opera singer out there who is more versatile in Verdi? And who's more versatile in the whole repertoire (from baroque to Spanish zarzuela over Italian, French, German, Russian opera etc. etc.)? Answer: No, you don't have a more versatile opera singer, and therefore it is only right and fair to reinsert the original statement:
Perhaps the most versatile of all living tenors,
83.77.253.211 ( talk) 10:31, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Cheers! 83.77.253.211 ( talk)
Recommend to CLOSE and REMOVE this section, since nothing has been added to the discussion for nearly 5 years. 85.1.77.160 ( talk) 18:37, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
It can be useful with a repertoire section on an important singer like Domingo. Enrico Caruso also has a repertoire list, but there is some differences.
146 roles are listed in Domingo's repertoire, including symphonic works. About two thirds of these are such he never performed on the stage. No other opera singer count roles they just sang on recording in their repertoire.
Also, some roles are counted multiple times, like Verdi's Simon Boccanegra (1857) and (1881) version. Well, there is some difference between the Boito and Piave version, but it is not two different operas, and this does not inflict Adorno's role as much. If different versions of operas would be counted as separate operas, then the same logic should apply to operas in his repertoire like Les contes d'Hoffmann, Don Giovanni, Iphigenie en Tauride etc which exists in several versions.
The "official" repertoire is simply flawed, and make Domingo's role count as bigger than it is. It does not have any encyclopedical validity, it is just fan work. Why should it be reproduced here? If Domingo's roles in recordings in studio as well as the roles he sang on the stage would be seperated, it would be more valid. SaintGeorg ( talk) 14:43, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
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Exactly what is the criteria for a role appearing on this list? Why, for instance, does the Berlioz Requiem have a place on it, but not the Verdi, or for that matter, Andrew Lloyd Webber? Why is a symphonic vocal role like Das Lied von der Erde included, but not the Beethoven 9th? Why is a musical theater role like Man of La Mancha cited, but not My Fair Lady (as one of Alfred P. Doolittle's friends, which was, IIRC, Domingo's first ever professional stage appearance)? DrGeoduck ( talk) 16:46, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi DrGeoduck, I suggest we start a list of "missing roles" here and include whatever information we find. Here is a first batch of roles (role name, opera, composer, debut date, theatre/location) that are not yet in the list:
Please write information about the roles you think are missing (e.g. info on the My Fair Lady LP, etc.) here below. The more information the better. Once we agree on the roles to add, we can at some point put them into the list. (Please do better not muck around with the table directly... Thanks.) 83.78.141.25 ( talk) 20:00, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Gato Montes is listed twice with the same role of Rafael. Please correct. 2A02:1205:5014:DA00:F035:83A2:C6BD:5821 ( talk) 10:31, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
Purpose of this discussion section: we are discussing here the introductory statement to this page:
Perhaps the most versatile of all living tenors,
This brief introductory statement was part of this page since its creation (13 October 2009), and actually long before (because this page was originally part of the general Plácido Domingo page and separated out into this separate page on 13 October 2009). That means, it has introduced this page for a very long time. On 26 June 2013, User Viva-Verdi removed it and gave the easy reason "remove POV intro". This removal was several times undone but without success. It is an easy removal since it's easy to flag something as a point of view while it is much more difficult to explain why it is not. Moreover, it's totally inappropriate to ask for external sources because the information on the page itself is a proof of fact: by listing so many roles of so many operas from so many periods we have a proof in itself.
Why do we want this introductory statement:
We therefore strongly ask for a reinsertion of this very brief introductory statement,
We don't mind a slight rewording of the statement.
Let us also say that is very sad that user Viva-Verdi is the one who removed the introductory statement (and thereupon found support by other "editors" who simply technically noted the page undo and have, most probably, no real knowledge about the operatic field). To address you directly: When you are a Verdi lover, as you tell on your talk page, then certainly you should know that Plácido Domingo has sung the whole tenor repertoire (he has issued a 4CD set of all tenor arias by Verdi) and he's now issuing a CD of several baritone arias. So do you really have another opera singer out there who is more versatile in Verdi? And who's more versatile in the whole repertoire (from baroque to Spanish zarzuela over Italian, French, German, Russian opera etc. etc.)? Answer: No, you don't have a more versatile opera singer, and therefore it is only right and fair to reinsert the original statement:
Perhaps the most versatile of all living tenors,
83.77.253.211 ( talk) 10:31, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Cheers! 83.77.253.211 ( talk)
Recommend to CLOSE and REMOVE this section, since nothing has been added to the discussion for nearly 5 years. 85.1.77.160 ( talk) 18:37, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
It can be useful with a repertoire section on an important singer like Domingo. Enrico Caruso also has a repertoire list, but there is some differences.
146 roles are listed in Domingo's repertoire, including symphonic works. About two thirds of these are such he never performed on the stage. No other opera singer count roles they just sang on recording in their repertoire.
Also, some roles are counted multiple times, like Verdi's Simon Boccanegra (1857) and (1881) version. Well, there is some difference between the Boito and Piave version, but it is not two different operas, and this does not inflict Adorno's role as much. If different versions of operas would be counted as separate operas, then the same logic should apply to operas in his repertoire like Les contes d'Hoffmann, Don Giovanni, Iphigenie en Tauride etc which exists in several versions.
The "official" repertoire is simply flawed, and make Domingo's role count as bigger than it is. It does not have any encyclopedical validity, it is just fan work. Why should it be reproduced here? If Domingo's roles in recordings in studio as well as the roles he sang on the stage would be seperated, it would be more valid. SaintGeorg ( talk) 14:43, 10 August 2017 (UTC)