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First of all, please, read WP:3RR rule, you already broke it! On the other hand, assume WP:AGF (do not push for a single point of view, see: WP:DE), and do not continue to revert all reliable sources!
I consider Dacia D6 Estaffete a reasonable name for this model (as we do not have an official source, reliable sources give us these variants):
Your source, daciaclub.ro, is an Open Forum, so it is hard (as per Wiki rules) to be considered as a reliable source (and also I have doubts about that Registration Card being the original one from 1975)! But even your source, daciaclub.ro Forum, has a page with the history of the Dacia brand which still consider Dacia D6 a reality: [4]
I hope you may want to reconsider your behavior (as per behavioral guidelines),
Thank you,
( Rgvis ( talk) 13:15, 21 September 2011 (UTC))
What are your personal feelings and assumptions about three publications is not relevant in this case (
WP:NPOV). Wikipedia does not judge the reputation of
CME,
Intact or
Ringier, and being neutral is a policy. As long as they are used as reliable sources in many articles, I do not see any problem.
Your supposed sources, again, are from Open Forums (daciaclub.ro and 3xforum.ro), two images with ID vehicles cards which are not The Original Registration Forms (from 1975 or 1977), and both of them do not have The date of the first registation (row 19 is empty)!!! Why? So, they have some misinformation! Besides that, the one from 1977 has a number, C-560351, that is not recognized by the online database of the Romanian Auto Register ( http://prog.rarom.ro/rarpol/rarpol.asp) (might be fakes, who knows?).
As for automobileromanesti.ro, I do not see any reference to any Wikipedia article (but rather vice-versa), instead they do cite from daciaclub.ro or 3xforum.ro and still make reference to this model as Dacia D6 (Estafette)( http://www.automobileromanesti.ro/Dacia/Dacia_Prototipuri/).
As you could see, there are many other articles that call this model Dacia D6 or Dacia D6 (Estafette) so that's why I considered fair enough to keep the entire name Dacia D6 Estafette and not only Dacia D6 or Dacia Estafette.
If you disagree with this proposal, outside opinions are necessary ( WP:3O).
Thank you,
( Rgvis ( talk) 21:31, 21 September 2011 (UTC))
The only original and trusted evidence we have now comes from the Romanian Post, and it is an anniversary postcard from 1977 dedicated to
Automobile Dacia, with a picture called Dacia D6 Van!!! So, no reference to Estafette!
I understand your assumptions, but, still, you have to prove that all publications are not acting in good faith. As for those images with the supposed Registration Cards, obviously they are not the original one (that ID model was issued after 1992), contain misinformation and, more, no being identified in the official database, there are no guarantees they really exist (even with mistakes).
More references for Dacia D6:
Thank you,
( Rgvis ( talk) 07:55, 22 September 2011 (UTC))
Of course, only in the
Perfect or Ideal World Official documents cannot contain misinformation!! :-)
So, we can consider this disagreement as being solved!
Thank you,
( Rgvis ( talk) 08:47, 22 September 2011 (UTC))
I thought you were thinking about one name, but if you were talking about two different names for the same car, I certainly do not agree with you!
It's up to you if you want to reopen the dispute!
( Rgvis ( talk) 12:06, 22 September 2011 (UTC))
Whether we like it or not, Wikipedia works with references and all of them are valuable. So, as I already told you, it's not important what are your personal feelings regarding stirileprotv.ro, autoevolution.com, libertatea.ro, money.ro, etc., they are used as references (even in auto subjects) in many Wiki articles!
As for the book you make reference to, it needs more data, page, year, publisher, ISBN (see WP:CITEHOW).
In this case, there are three variants:
In the meantime, if you changed your mind and want to reconsider the first name (Dacia D6) as being the most acceptable variant, it's not a problem, this is my opinion too. But, please, do not make any changes (at your own wish) until the issue has been settled.
So, for me Dacia D6 is the most acceptable variant!
Thank you,
( Rgvis ( talk) 14:16, 22 September 2011 (UTC))
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First of all, please, read WP:3RR rule, you already broke it! On the other hand, assume WP:AGF (do not push for a single point of view, see: WP:DE), and do not continue to revert all reliable sources!
I consider Dacia D6 Estaffete a reasonable name for this model (as we do not have an official source, reliable sources give us these variants):
Your source, daciaclub.ro, is an Open Forum, so it is hard (as per Wiki rules) to be considered as a reliable source (and also I have doubts about that Registration Card being the original one from 1975)! But even your source, daciaclub.ro Forum, has a page with the history of the Dacia brand which still consider Dacia D6 a reality: [4]
I hope you may want to reconsider your behavior (as per behavioral guidelines),
Thank you,
( Rgvis ( talk) 13:15, 21 September 2011 (UTC))
What are your personal feelings and assumptions about three publications is not relevant in this case (
WP:NPOV). Wikipedia does not judge the reputation of
CME,
Intact or
Ringier, and being neutral is a policy. As long as they are used as reliable sources in many articles, I do not see any problem.
Your supposed sources, again, are from Open Forums (daciaclub.ro and 3xforum.ro), two images with ID vehicles cards which are not The Original Registration Forms (from 1975 or 1977), and both of them do not have The date of the first registation (row 19 is empty)!!! Why? So, they have some misinformation! Besides that, the one from 1977 has a number, C-560351, that is not recognized by the online database of the Romanian Auto Register ( http://prog.rarom.ro/rarpol/rarpol.asp) (might be fakes, who knows?).
As for automobileromanesti.ro, I do not see any reference to any Wikipedia article (but rather vice-versa), instead they do cite from daciaclub.ro or 3xforum.ro and still make reference to this model as Dacia D6 (Estafette)( http://www.automobileromanesti.ro/Dacia/Dacia_Prototipuri/).
As you could see, there are many other articles that call this model Dacia D6 or Dacia D6 (Estafette) so that's why I considered fair enough to keep the entire name Dacia D6 Estafette and not only Dacia D6 or Dacia Estafette.
If you disagree with this proposal, outside opinions are necessary ( WP:3O).
Thank you,
( Rgvis ( talk) 21:31, 21 September 2011 (UTC))
The only original and trusted evidence we have now comes from the Romanian Post, and it is an anniversary postcard from 1977 dedicated to
Automobile Dacia, with a picture called Dacia D6 Van!!! So, no reference to Estafette!
I understand your assumptions, but, still, you have to prove that all publications are not acting in good faith. As for those images with the supposed Registration Cards, obviously they are not the original one (that ID model was issued after 1992), contain misinformation and, more, no being identified in the official database, there are no guarantees they really exist (even with mistakes).
More references for Dacia D6:
Thank you,
( Rgvis ( talk) 07:55, 22 September 2011 (UTC))
Of course, only in the
Perfect or Ideal World Official documents cannot contain misinformation!! :-)
So, we can consider this disagreement as being solved!
Thank you,
( Rgvis ( talk) 08:47, 22 September 2011 (UTC))
I thought you were thinking about one name, but if you were talking about two different names for the same car, I certainly do not agree with you!
It's up to you if you want to reopen the dispute!
( Rgvis ( talk) 12:06, 22 September 2011 (UTC))
Whether we like it or not, Wikipedia works with references and all of them are valuable. So, as I already told you, it's not important what are your personal feelings regarding stirileprotv.ro, autoevolution.com, libertatea.ro, money.ro, etc., they are used as references (even in auto subjects) in many Wiki articles!
As for the book you make reference to, it needs more data, page, year, publisher, ISBN (see WP:CITEHOW).
In this case, there are three variants:
In the meantime, if you changed your mind and want to reconsider the first name (Dacia D6) as being the most acceptable variant, it's not a problem, this is my opinion too. But, please, do not make any changes (at your own wish) until the issue has been settled.
So, for me Dacia D6 is the most acceptable variant!
Thank you,
( Rgvis ( talk) 14:16, 22 September 2011 (UTC))