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such cross † aren't presented. Also orthodoxal-- Albedo @ 12:12, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Just to be clear, the four swaxika symbols in the Tibetan block are intended for religious usage (Hindu, Buddhist, Bon ...), whereas the CJK swastxa symbols are intended for use in Han ideographic text. None of these symbols is intended or appropriate to represent the Nazi swaxika which has a distinctly different glyph shape and is often rotated 45 degrees. BabelStone ( talk) 21:46, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
The tag "Synthesis" (that is, WP:SYNTHESIS, as an WP:OR) is here since May 2010. But the adding editor has not started a Talk here. I suggest that if the tag-claim is not substantialised here shortly, we remove the tag. - DePiep ( talk) 20:30, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
This page essentially lists the Miscellaneous Symbols and Dingbats ranges, plus it lists six swastika characters from the Tibetan and Chinese scripts, the Arabic Allah ligature, some obscure ancient punctuation mark, plus the encircled Latin A which it decides is close enough to the anarchism symbol. This is basically the textbook definition of WP:SYNTH. "oh, here is a Unicode glyph which reminds me of something or other, let's make a list of those". Here is a well-kept secret: Unicode encodes characters, not glyphs. The characters stand for whatever the Unicode consortium says they do. If their shape (as realized in the Unicode charts or elsewhere) remind you of some symbol or other, that's nice, you can use it in your emails the same way you use emoticons. This does not mean you should embark on writing an encyclopedia article about it. I seriously doubt that Unicode has characters for "asshole, homosexual" or for "Nazism". If you think they should add these, you can always submit a request and wait for a later version of Unicode. (actually, weirdly enough, I suppose there is one for "homosexual" after all, at ⚣. If you want to use this as an insult, that's semantics and not a question of a character set. You could also create a font where it appears as a rude gesture or something, that's all in the font, not in the character encoding.
What were people thinking? And how on earth can you require that "the tag-claim" should be "substantiated"? The burden of establishing that this page describes anything at all coherent lies with whoever created this page, or wishes to keep it around. Also, the word allah, even when written as a ligature, is not a "symbol of Islam". It is a symbol of the word allah, meaning "God". -- dab (𒁳) 17:14, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
I have taken great care to avoid WP:SYNTH and base this on primary and secondary sources, i.e. the Unicode Consortium itself designating its characters "Religious and political symbols", and third party commentators going on about how Unicode is going wild with ideological symbols. In my opinion, the Unicode Consortium has lost it completely, years ago. What happened to creating a character set? If there are legacy issues, sure, define characters that capture other standards. Apart from that, they should never have started to mess with font variants, ligatures and precombined characters (if only to force font designers and OS / word processing software designers to finally use OpenType properly). The day the Unicode Consortium started to do "hammer and sickle" and "homosexuality" symbols, they basically joined the "culture of being offended" party as an active agent, and they are now an instance of defining which ideological symbols are or are not decent, acceptable or notable. This is crazy, how was it not complicated enough to encode the world's writing systems? Clearly, communism and homosexuality are just as offensive to some people as fascism or religious fundamentalism are to others. So the Unicode Consortium is now basically married to the idea of providing codepoints to arbitrarily radical or marginal extremist symbols as they are made up by people. Not to mention random pop culture trivia. Vulcan greeting? Victory symbol? Flipping the bird? Various logos of "cult" franchises? The national symbol of the Islamic Republic of Iran? Then why not the US flag? And by extension all 190 national flags, plus all regional flags, all proposed regional flags, nationalist symbols. You started doing smileys? Meet a gazillion of emoticons close to the heart of every Japanese teenager, go encode them. Et cetera, et ceterorum. I used to be a fan of Unicode in the early 2000s, but this has long gone beyond any reasonable bounds of self-restraint. -- dab (𒁳) 16:03, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
What does "࿊ tibetan symbol nor bu nyis -khyil" mean? Kutchkutch talk 22:21, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Flags are political symbols too. An example for something happening now is the flag of Afghanistan 🇦🇫 - should it become the Taliban one? -- 188.64.207.197 ( talk) 17:52, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest ERIS FORM ONE, also known as Five-Fingered Hand of Eris for inclusion. It is a religious symbol, but I know that just like anything discordian it will be a point of contention so I'm putting it here instead of including it right away. I'm also unsure how to properly include and source this. 212.79.110.207 ( talk) 11:49, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
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such cross † aren't presented. Also orthodoxal-- Albedo @ 12:12, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Just to be clear, the four swaxika symbols in the Tibetan block are intended for religious usage (Hindu, Buddhist, Bon ...), whereas the CJK swastxa symbols are intended for use in Han ideographic text. None of these symbols is intended or appropriate to represent the Nazi swaxika which has a distinctly different glyph shape and is often rotated 45 degrees. BabelStone ( talk) 21:46, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
The tag "Synthesis" (that is, WP:SYNTHESIS, as an WP:OR) is here since May 2010. But the adding editor has not started a Talk here. I suggest that if the tag-claim is not substantialised here shortly, we remove the tag. - DePiep ( talk) 20:30, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
This page essentially lists the Miscellaneous Symbols and Dingbats ranges, plus it lists six swastika characters from the Tibetan and Chinese scripts, the Arabic Allah ligature, some obscure ancient punctuation mark, plus the encircled Latin A which it decides is close enough to the anarchism symbol. This is basically the textbook definition of WP:SYNTH. "oh, here is a Unicode glyph which reminds me of something or other, let's make a list of those". Here is a well-kept secret: Unicode encodes characters, not glyphs. The characters stand for whatever the Unicode consortium says they do. If their shape (as realized in the Unicode charts or elsewhere) remind you of some symbol or other, that's nice, you can use it in your emails the same way you use emoticons. This does not mean you should embark on writing an encyclopedia article about it. I seriously doubt that Unicode has characters for "asshole, homosexual" or for "Nazism". If you think they should add these, you can always submit a request and wait for a later version of Unicode. (actually, weirdly enough, I suppose there is one for "homosexual" after all, at ⚣. If you want to use this as an insult, that's semantics and not a question of a character set. You could also create a font where it appears as a rude gesture or something, that's all in the font, not in the character encoding.
What were people thinking? And how on earth can you require that "the tag-claim" should be "substantiated"? The burden of establishing that this page describes anything at all coherent lies with whoever created this page, or wishes to keep it around. Also, the word allah, even when written as a ligature, is not a "symbol of Islam". It is a symbol of the word allah, meaning "God". -- dab (𒁳) 17:14, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
I have taken great care to avoid WP:SYNTH and base this on primary and secondary sources, i.e. the Unicode Consortium itself designating its characters "Religious and political symbols", and third party commentators going on about how Unicode is going wild with ideological symbols. In my opinion, the Unicode Consortium has lost it completely, years ago. What happened to creating a character set? If there are legacy issues, sure, define characters that capture other standards. Apart from that, they should never have started to mess with font variants, ligatures and precombined characters (if only to force font designers and OS / word processing software designers to finally use OpenType properly). The day the Unicode Consortium started to do "hammer and sickle" and "homosexuality" symbols, they basically joined the "culture of being offended" party as an active agent, and they are now an instance of defining which ideological symbols are or are not decent, acceptable or notable. This is crazy, how was it not complicated enough to encode the world's writing systems? Clearly, communism and homosexuality are just as offensive to some people as fascism or religious fundamentalism are to others. So the Unicode Consortium is now basically married to the idea of providing codepoints to arbitrarily radical or marginal extremist symbols as they are made up by people. Not to mention random pop culture trivia. Vulcan greeting? Victory symbol? Flipping the bird? Various logos of "cult" franchises? The national symbol of the Islamic Republic of Iran? Then why not the US flag? And by extension all 190 national flags, plus all regional flags, all proposed regional flags, nationalist symbols. You started doing smileys? Meet a gazillion of emoticons close to the heart of every Japanese teenager, go encode them. Et cetera, et ceterorum. I used to be a fan of Unicode in the early 2000s, but this has long gone beyond any reasonable bounds of self-restraint. -- dab (𒁳) 16:03, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
What does "࿊ tibetan symbol nor bu nyis -khyil" mean? Kutchkutch talk 22:21, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Flags are political symbols too. An example for something happening now is the flag of Afghanistan 🇦🇫 - should it become the Taliban one? -- 188.64.207.197 ( talk) 17:52, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest ERIS FORM ONE, also known as Five-Fingered Hand of Eris for inclusion. It is a religious symbol, but I know that just like anything discordian it will be a point of contention so I'm putting it here instead of including it right away. I'm also unsure how to properly include and source this. 212.79.110.207 ( talk) 11:49, 5 November 2022 (UTC)