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The following I remmoved from the disambiguation page Sylvania. I have no idea why it was there.
I do not feel competent to determine if any of this should be in a Quaker article so am putting it here for whatever use anyone cares to make of it.
The article begins with the following: "Quakers are people who belong to a historically Protestant Christian set of denominations known formally as the Religious Society of Friends. Members of these movements are generally united by a belief..." Most of this just isn't true.
Quakers have not historically considered themselves 'Protestant', counting themselves as a distinct movement in Christianity. Other Protestants haven't typically considered Quakers Protestant either. See e.g. http://www.quakerinfo.com/quakprot.shtml.
Furthermore, it's true but rather uninformative to say that Quakers are historically Christian, since only some Quakers would count themselves Christian today.
The Religious Society of Friends is singular, not a set of denominations. It's one Society, made up of Yearly Meetings, which are nothing like denominations. The Yearly Meetings have a fundamental unity, despite their differences, and are connected through the Friends Worldwide Committee for Consultation (FWCC) and other bodies. Quakers all recognise each other as Friends, members of one Religious Society. The same problem occurs with talk of 'movements'.
It's not really true that Quakers are united by any particular belief. They're united by a shared way of living and some common practices, more so than by any particular beliefs (even if a belief in the centrality of the Inward Light is very common).
Comment - I am no specialist in the history of Protestantism. My specialty is more related to the 17th century, which marks the beginning of the Quakers. From much of the Quaker history I've read about so far, one initial point seems to be very clear. The Quakers that existed at the beginning, from their beginnings in the "Puritan revolution" and up to the return of the monarchy in 1660, are a very different "species" from the Quaker movement that got consolidated toward the end of the 17th century under the sole leadership of George Fox and Margaret Fell. warshy (¥¥) 21:38, 26 June 2022 (UTC) Note - Also, the final break between the Collegiants in Amsterdam and the Quakers in London and in Amsterdam seems to be directly connected to the very tragic episode of the Quaker James Nayler in 1656. warshy (¥¥) 21:48, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
The article is suitably referenced, with inline citations. It has reliable sources, and any important or controversial material which is likely to be challenged is cited.-- Otr500 ( talk) 08:18, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
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The following I remmoved from the disambiguation page Sylvania. I have no idea why it was there.
I do not feel competent to determine if any of this should be in a Quaker article so am putting it here for whatever use anyone cares to make of it.
The article begins with the following: "Quakers are people who belong to a historically Protestant Christian set of denominations known formally as the Religious Society of Friends. Members of these movements are generally united by a belief..." Most of this just isn't true.
Quakers have not historically considered themselves 'Protestant', counting themselves as a distinct movement in Christianity. Other Protestants haven't typically considered Quakers Protestant either. See e.g. http://www.quakerinfo.com/quakprot.shtml.
Furthermore, it's true but rather uninformative to say that Quakers are historically Christian, since only some Quakers would count themselves Christian today.
The Religious Society of Friends is singular, not a set of denominations. It's one Society, made up of Yearly Meetings, which are nothing like denominations. The Yearly Meetings have a fundamental unity, despite their differences, and are connected through the Friends Worldwide Committee for Consultation (FWCC) and other bodies. Quakers all recognise each other as Friends, members of one Religious Society. The same problem occurs with talk of 'movements'.
It's not really true that Quakers are united by any particular belief. They're united by a shared way of living and some common practices, more so than by any particular beliefs (even if a belief in the centrality of the Inward Light is very common).
Comment - I am no specialist in the history of Protestantism. My specialty is more related to the 17th century, which marks the beginning of the Quakers. From much of the Quaker history I've read about so far, one initial point seems to be very clear. The Quakers that existed at the beginning, from their beginnings in the "Puritan revolution" and up to the return of the monarchy in 1660, are a very different "species" from the Quaker movement that got consolidated toward the end of the 17th century under the sole leadership of George Fox and Margaret Fell. warshy (¥¥) 21:38, 26 June 2022 (UTC) Note - Also, the final break between the Collegiants in Amsterdam and the Quakers in London and in Amsterdam seems to be directly connected to the very tragic episode of the Quaker James Nayler in 1656. warshy (¥¥) 21:48, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
The article is suitably referenced, with inline citations. It has reliable sources, and any important or controversial material which is likely to be challenged is cited.-- Otr500 ( talk) 08:18, 24 February 2023 (UTC)