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Religious adherence polls based on CIA factbook or Razumkov Centre are misleading. The biggest problem is the religious split between two largest Ukrainian Orthodox Churches - Ukrainian Orthodox Curch-Moscow Patriarchate (UOC-MP) and Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Kiev Patriarchate (UOC-KP). Majority of Ukrainians are not able to identify themselves with a particular church organization (62.5 % according to 2006 Razumkov Center poll [[ http://razumkov.org.ua/ukr/poll.php?poll_id=300 "What religious group do you belong to?". Sociology poll by Razumkov Centre),but majority of them still consider themselves Orthodox Christians (even if they only attend church services few times a year or not at all). Majority of this 62.5 % of Ukrainians were also baptized in UOC-MP churches and attend church services (even if only during Easter mess) in UOC-MP churches. This is simply because great majority of Ukrainian Orthodox churches and clergy belong to UOC-MP (approximately 68 % of all Orthodox Christian communities in the country - see Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate)). The trick that allows UOC-KP to make claim to be the largest church in Ukraine is that the majority of their adherents clearly indicate they belong to UOC-KP (which is generally more nationalist and politicized), while most people who were baptized by UOC-MP and attend UOC-MP church services simply state they are Orthodox Christians. UOC-MP also often portrays itself as the canonical Orthodox Christian church in Ukraine rather than the "Moscow church", downplaying its connections with Moscow Patriarchate (esp. in Central and Western Ukraine) and this also contributes to the confusion polls on church allegiance in Ukraine create. In addition, many of the UOC-MP churches and majority of people who identify with UOC-MP are in the more urbanized South and East Ukraine where church attendance is low compared to the rural Central and Western Ukraine where UOC-KP is the strongest. If the pollsters would have used a different methodology that would explained the differences between the two churches and really press the Ukrainians to choose between the two more than 50 % of Ukrainians would likely identify with UOC-MP while only around 15 % with UOC-KP, yet the CIA Factbook statistics paint the picture which is almost the exact opposite. The religious divide in Ukraine is not exactly the same as a linguistic, political, cultural and historical divide in Ukraine between Russian-speaking south-east(majority of Yanukovych voters in the second round of the recent presidential poll) and Ukrainian speaking north-west (mostly Tymoshenko voters), there is an Orthodox Christian majority in the North and Central Ukraine and a sizable Orthodox minority (including the UOC-MP laity) in the West, yet there is a relation to the overall split which divides Ukraine in two. Roughly 55 to 60 % of more or less religious Ukrainians identify with UOC-MP (or the canonical Orthodox Ukrainian church as many know it) while the rest are members of UOC-KP church, Greko-Catholic church, Roman Catholic church, various Protestant churches and so on.
-- Fisenko
Forks are generally a bad idea. We have articles for each religion and the material belongs there.
I could envision the article about the inter-religious interaction but that would have been the article totally different from this one. -- Irpen 03:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Content related to that of this article is now being discussed at Talk:History_of_Christianity_in_Ukraine. Qe2 ( talk) 06:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
+ Islam_in_Ukraine#Statistics -- 195.110.6.24 ( talk) 12:26, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Is there an official (constitutional) religion of Ukraine? -- 195.110.6.24 ( talk) 12:26, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Why is there no section on Hinduism in Ukraine. There is a tiny but under reported Hindu community in Ukraine in the form of ISCKON and Brahmakumaris
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Ukraine — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.110.195.51 ( talk) 19:37, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Firstly, the data collected. Whereas the data from the 2006 Razumkov study depicts percentages of all individuals participating, the latest poll only addresses which religion and denomination the participants consider themselves to be adherents of. It does not reflect the number of people who consider themselves to be atheists/irreligious. Just the leap from 62.5% not being religious, or unaware of their religious affiliation to 'no religion' at 6.1% is a bit of a give away. Suddenly, the majority of those who are not religious drops to a tiny percentage? The recent crises have turned millions to religion? Please try to be serious about what is being presented instead of edit warring over how many belong to the Moscow Patriarchate, how many to Kyivan Patriarchate, and how many to the Autocephalous Orthodox Church. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 00:15, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
First of all, I make it clear that I am the same user who intervened as an anonymous IP in the last weeks. The 2015 data reported by the "Info-Light" website introduced by FrankCesco26 are flawed, possibly a misinterpretation of the data provided by original sources. In order to demonstrate this, I have made a research in Ukrainian language, and I have found an original publication of Razumkov Center which contains all their surveys from 2000 to 2016 ( РЕЛІГІЯ, ЦЕРКВА, СУСПІЛЬСТВО І ДЕРЖАВА: ДВА РОКИ ПІСЛЯ МАЙДАНУ Religion, Church, Society and State: Two Years after Maidan, 2016 report). Ultimately, it confirms the suspects advanced by Iryna Harpy: breakdowns of religious populations which show a very large proportion for each one of them are calculated on the part of the entire population declaring to be "believers", not taking into account the large population of "non believers".
For instance, from the 2016 data contained in the report linked hereinabove we know that (pp. 27-29):
The report then provides breakdowns for all regions of Ukraine. Thus, what we have to do at this point is to calculate the proportion of religious believers on the entire population. The result is what follows:
Of the Orthodox, as of 2016 (p. 31): 38.1% belong to the Kievan Patriarchate, 23% to the Moscovian Patriarchate, 2.7% are Autocephalous Orthodox, 32.3% are simply Orthodox and 3.1% do not know which patriarchate they belong to. Calculating this proportions on the 46% who are Orthodox out of the total population, the proportion of affilates to the different patriarchates out of the total population are the following ones:
-- Wddan ( talk) 12:54, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
Moreover, another important addition to the article would be the list of registered religious organizations. The RISU (Religion Information Service of Ukraine) provides a yearly updated list. Here is the list for 2016.-- Wddan ( talk) 12:59, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
I do not see the justification for multiplying the percentages in the table on page 29 by the percentage of believers on page 27. Where does it say in the text of the report that the table on page 29 is of a subset of respondents who answered that they were believers? There is after all no contradiction between being (for example) orthodox and being either uncertain of one's belief or finding it difficult to answer whether one believes or not.
Most of the tables have the data listed as percentage of respondents (% опитаних). The table in the top part of page 31 has a footnote, which says "Percentages do not equal 100 because the diagram does not show the percentage of those who do not consider themselves Orthodox." (Сума відсотків не дорівнює 100, оскільки на діаграмі не наведено відсоток тих, хто не відносить себе до православних.)
Page 22 of the report has a paragraph that relates to the table on page 29:
Notice that it does not say % of believers. -- Toddy1 (talk) 19:40, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Page 27 contains the following table:
Ukraine, 2016 Source =
Report page 27 Незалежно від того, відвідуєте Ви церкву чи ні, ким Ви себе вважаєте? Whether you attend church or not, who do you think you are? % опитаних % of respondents |
Україна Ukraine |
Донбас Donbass | |
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Віруючим | Believers | 70.4% | 57.2% |
Тим, хто вагається між вірою і невір’ям | Those who hesitate between belief and disbelief | 10.1% | 19.5% |
Невіруючим | Not a believer | 6.3% | 7.2% |
Переконаним атеїстом | Atheist beliefs | 2.7% | 5.0% |
Мені це байдуже | Do not care | 7.2% | 9.4% |
Важко відповісти | Difficult to answer | 3.9% | 1.6% |
Page 29 contains the following table:
Ukraine, 2016 Source =
Report page 29 До якої релігії Ви себе відносите? Which religion are you yourself? (changes over time) % опитаних % of respondents |
Україна Ukraine |
Донбас Donbass | |
---|---|---|---|
Православ’я | Othodox | 65.4% | 50.6% |
Римо-католицизм | Roman Catholic | 1.0% | 0.0% |
Греко-католицизм | Greek Catholic | 6.5% | 0.0% |
Протестантизм | Protestant | 1.9% | 2.5% |
Іудаїзм | Jew | 0.2% | 0.0% |
Іслам | Islam | 1.1% | 6.0% |
Буддизм | Buddhist | 0.0% | 0.0% |
Індуїзм | Hindu | 0.2% | 0.6% |
Язичництво | Pagan | 0.0% | 0.0% |
Просто християнин | Simply Christian | 7.1% | 11.9% |
Інше | Other | 0.2% | 0.0% |
Не відношу себе до жодного з релігій- них віросповідань | Do not consider myself to be any of these creeds' religions | 16.3% | 28.3% |
Не відповіли | No answer | 0.0% | 0.0% |
@ FrankCesco26: if the article is going to cite the report, it needs to specify page numbers - citing different pages for different facts. It is a 44 page document, that is too long to just point people at the document.-- Toddy1 (talk) 21:30, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Here is another table of data from the 2016 survey. This one cross-tabulates religion with belief. The first column of percentages is from page 27 of the previous report (the table that deals with belief). The other columns are from another document that is full of survey results from the 2016 survey.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:28, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
Незалежно від того, відвідуєте Ви церкву чи ні, ким Ви себе вважаєте? Whether you attend church or not, who do you think you are? % опитаних % of respondents | |||||||||
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Ukraine, 2016 Source = Report page 27 | Source =
Religion and Church in Ukrainian society, denominational division. The results of sociological research. Page 9 A study conducted by the Razumkov Center from 25 to 30 March 2016 in all regions of Ukraine except Crimea and the occupied territories of Donetsk and Lugansk regions. Polled 2,018 respondents aged 18 years and over. The error margin does not exceed 2.3%. | ||||||||
Україна Ukraine |
УПЦ (МП) Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) |
УПЦ- КП Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Kiev Patriarchate) |
Інші православні Other Orthodox |
УГКЦ Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church |
Просто християни Just Christian |
Інші конфесії Other denominations |
Не відносять себе до жодної релігії Do not belong to any religion | ||
Віруючим | Believers | 70.4% | 88.1% | 88.5% | 74.1% | 96.9% | 55.2% | 89.2% | 11.8% |
Тим, хто вагається між вірою і невір’ям | Those who hesitate between belief and disbelief | 10.1% | 5.9% | 7.1% | 12.5% | 3.1% | 20.3% | 3.2% | 14.5% |
Невіруючим | Not a believer | 6.3% | 1.0% | 0.4% | 3.5% | 0.0% | 4.2% | 1.1% | 29.4% |
Переконаним атеїстом | Atheist beliefs | 2.7% | 0.7% | 0.2% | 0.6% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 4.3% | 13.6% |
Мені це байдуже | Do not care | 7.2% | 2.3% | 1.8% | 5.8% | 0.0% | 10.5% | 0.0% | 25.5% |
Важко відповісти | Difficult to answer | 3.9% | 2.0% | 2.0% | 3.5% | 0.0% | 9.8% | 2.2% | 5.2% |
2000 [1] [2] [3] | 2005 [1] [2] [3] | Nov 2010 [1] [2] [3] | Mar 2013 [4] [1] [2] [3] | Apr 2014 [2] [3] | Feb 2015 [5] | Mar 2016 [3] | May-Jun 2016 [6] | Nov 2016 [7] | ||
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Православ’я | Orthodox | 66.0% | 60.8% | 68.1% | 70.6% | 70.2% | 73.7% | 65.4% | 54% Does not include other Orthodox |
64.7% |
Римо-католицизм | Roman Catholic | 0.5% | 1.6% | 0.4% | 1.3% | 1.0% | 0.8% | 1.0% | 1% | 0.8% |
Греко-католицизм | Greek Catholic | 7.6% | 7.6% | 7.6% | 5.7% | 7.8% | 8.1% | 6.5% | 9% | 8.2% |
Протестантизм | Protestant | 2.0% | 1.3% | 1.9% | 0.8% | 1.0% | 0.9% | 1.9% | 1% | 1.2% |
Іудаїзм | Jew | 0.3% | 0.2% | 0.1% | 0.3% | 0.1% | - | 0.2% | - | 0.2% |
Іслам | Islam | 0.7% | 0.4% | 0.9% | 0.7% | 0.2% | - | 1.1% | - | 0.0% |
Буддизм | Buddhist | 0.1% | 0.0% | 0.1% | 0.0% | 0.2% | - | 0.0% | - | 0.2% |
Індуїзм | Hindu | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.1% | 0.0% | - | 0.2% | - | 0.0% |
Язичництво | Pagan | 0.1% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.1% | 0.0% | - | 0.0% | - | 0.1% |
Просто християнин | Simply Christian | 6.9% | 15.8% | 7.2% | 8.6% | 6.3% | 8.5% | 7.1% | 23% I believe in God, but do not belong to any religion 7% Atheist |
12.7% |
Не відношу себе до жодного з релігій- них віросповідань | Do not consider myself to be any of these creeds' religions | 15.3% | 11.8% | 13.2% | 11.3% | 12.5% | 6.1% | 16.3% | 11.4% | |
Інше | Other | 0.5% | 0.2% | 0.2% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.7% | 0.2% | 1% | 0.3% |
Не відповіли | No answer | - | 0.2% | 0.3% | 0.5% | 0.7% | 1.1% difficult to answer |
0.0% | 6% difficult to answer |
0.2% |
Sample size | 2010 | 2012 | 25000 | 2018 | 2400 | 2018 |
Thank you very much! The last table shows finally the affiliation of the "non believers" in various religions, so Wddan you finally have the demonstration of what you think is wrong. Also, Toddy1 I think we can update March 2016 data with November 2016 data. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrankCesco26 ( talk • contribs) 05:50, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
@ FrankCesco26: @ Jobas:, @ Wddan: The survey results contain a category "Просто християнин" for christians who do not identify with any particular denomination. "Християнин" means "christian". "Просто" means "just", "merely", "simply". Do you have any preference for how we express this in the labels in tables and graphs?-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:04, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
Found another source of surveys: Romir Ukraine, which is the exclusive representative of Gallup International in Ukraine.
Note that the survey size is smaller than the Razumkov surveys, and unlike Razumkov only covers urban areas-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:30, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
Religion in Ukraine (Razumkov 2016 survey)
I propose to add this version of the pie chart in the lede, which includes the breakdown of the different types of Orthodoxy. This is because there are very deep difference between these various types of Orthodoxy. For instance, the Kyevan Patriarchate, which was founded in 1992, is not considered part of the Eastern Orthodox Church, and the unaffiliated Orthodox could include the non-Christian "Native Orthodox" (Rodnovers). So, lumping all of them together under the label "Eastern Orthodox Church" is wildly erroneous. FrankCesco and Jobas oppose the addition. Toddy1, Iryna Harpy, what do you think about it? -- Wddan ( talk) 15:21, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
2000 | 2005 | 2010 | 2013 | 2014 | 2016 | |
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Orthodox | 66.0% | 60.8% | 68.1% | 70.6% | 70.2% | 65.4% |
Moscow Patriarchate | 9.2% | 10.6% | 23.6% | 19.6% | 17.4% | 15.0% |
Kiev Patriarchate | 12.1% | 14.0% | 15.1% | 18.3% | 22.4% | 25.0% |
Autocephalous | 1.3% | 0.8% | 0.9% | 0.8% | 0.7% | 1.8% |
Just Orthodox | 38.6% | 33.4% | 25.9% | 28.8% | 28.1% | 21.2% |
Orthodox do not know which denomination | 4.6% | 1.9% | 1.6% | 2.5% | 1.4% | 2.0% |
Missing | 0.2% | 0.1% | 1.0% | 0.6% | 0.2% | 0.4% |
There is an interesting trend there - over time a greater percentage of the orthodox are identifying with one or the other of the two patriarchates.-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:48, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Since we finally found data for Ukrainian oblasts, I think we should bring this data making a "Religion" section for each oblast of Ukraine. This could be something like this:
(pie chart) https://pastebin.com/m0D51Qck
The dominant religion in [name] Oblast is Eastern Orthodox Christianity (or Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church for some oblasts), professed by [number]% of the population. Another [number]% declares to be non-religious and [number]% are unaffiliated generic Christians. Adherents of Roman Catholicism and Protestantism make up [number]% and [number]% of the population respectively. [number]% didn't answer to the question or is follower of other religions.
The Orthodox community of [name] is divided as follows:
Toddy1, Jobas, Wddan can you help me with this work? Thank you. FrankCesco26 (talk) 12:32, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
The Razumkov Centre has a footnote in one of its reports on what is included under "Protestants" in their surveys:
"РелігійНість УкраїНців: рівень, характер, ставлення до окремих аспектів церковно-релігійної ситуації і державно-конфесійних відносин (результати загальнонаціонального соціологічного дослідження)" [Ukrainian Religiosity: level, character, attitude to certain aspects of ecclesiastical-religious situations and public-church relations (results of a nationwide poll)] (PDF), Національна Безпека і Оборона (National Defence and Security) (1 (138) ed.), Razumkov Centre, p. 18, 2013
-- Toddy1 (talk) 16:34, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
Greek Catholic AKA Ukrainian Greek catholic is a type of roman Catholic. The use of Roman Catholic seems to refer to the Latin Church in this context. I do not know why my editing of this confusing box keeps getting reverted, Whoever is doing so can very easily read up on the subject matter themselves. This is infact wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magjozs ( talk • contribs) 03:51, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
@ FrankCesco26, Iryna Harpy, JimRenge, Jobas, Magjozs, Nillurcheier, and Graham87: (and whoever else including the IP) Please figure out what the consensus is so the edit war can stop. Thanks. -- NeilN talk to me 15:38, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
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I suspect that surveys by the Razumkov Centre are more reliable. It is regarded as a top research institute. It is Ukrainian, and its clients are Ukrainian.-- Toddy1 (talk) 21:21, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
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Religious adherence polls based on CIA factbook or Razumkov Centre are misleading. The biggest problem is the religious split between two largest Ukrainian Orthodox Churches - Ukrainian Orthodox Curch-Moscow Patriarchate (UOC-MP) and Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Kiev Patriarchate (UOC-KP). Majority of Ukrainians are not able to identify themselves with a particular church organization (62.5 % according to 2006 Razumkov Center poll [[ http://razumkov.org.ua/ukr/poll.php?poll_id=300 "What religious group do you belong to?". Sociology poll by Razumkov Centre),but majority of them still consider themselves Orthodox Christians (even if they only attend church services few times a year or not at all). Majority of this 62.5 % of Ukrainians were also baptized in UOC-MP churches and attend church services (even if only during Easter mess) in UOC-MP churches. This is simply because great majority of Ukrainian Orthodox churches and clergy belong to UOC-MP (approximately 68 % of all Orthodox Christian communities in the country - see Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate)). The trick that allows UOC-KP to make claim to be the largest church in Ukraine is that the majority of their adherents clearly indicate they belong to UOC-KP (which is generally more nationalist and politicized), while most people who were baptized by UOC-MP and attend UOC-MP church services simply state they are Orthodox Christians. UOC-MP also often portrays itself as the canonical Orthodox Christian church in Ukraine rather than the "Moscow church", downplaying its connections with Moscow Patriarchate (esp. in Central and Western Ukraine) and this also contributes to the confusion polls on church allegiance in Ukraine create. In addition, many of the UOC-MP churches and majority of people who identify with UOC-MP are in the more urbanized South and East Ukraine where church attendance is low compared to the rural Central and Western Ukraine where UOC-KP is the strongest. If the pollsters would have used a different methodology that would explained the differences between the two churches and really press the Ukrainians to choose between the two more than 50 % of Ukrainians would likely identify with UOC-MP while only around 15 % with UOC-KP, yet the CIA Factbook statistics paint the picture which is almost the exact opposite. The religious divide in Ukraine is not exactly the same as a linguistic, political, cultural and historical divide in Ukraine between Russian-speaking south-east(majority of Yanukovych voters in the second round of the recent presidential poll) and Ukrainian speaking north-west (mostly Tymoshenko voters), there is an Orthodox Christian majority in the North and Central Ukraine and a sizable Orthodox minority (including the UOC-MP laity) in the West, yet there is a relation to the overall split which divides Ukraine in two. Roughly 55 to 60 % of more or less religious Ukrainians identify with UOC-MP (or the canonical Orthodox Ukrainian church as many know it) while the rest are members of UOC-KP church, Greko-Catholic church, Roman Catholic church, various Protestant churches and so on.
-- Fisenko
Forks are generally a bad idea. We have articles for each religion and the material belongs there.
I could envision the article about the inter-religious interaction but that would have been the article totally different from this one. -- Irpen 03:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Content related to that of this article is now being discussed at Talk:History_of_Christianity_in_Ukraine. Qe2 ( talk) 06:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
+ Islam_in_Ukraine#Statistics -- 195.110.6.24 ( talk) 12:26, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Is there an official (constitutional) religion of Ukraine? -- 195.110.6.24 ( talk) 12:26, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Why is there no section on Hinduism in Ukraine. There is a tiny but under reported Hindu community in Ukraine in the form of ISCKON and Brahmakumaris
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Ukraine — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.110.195.51 ( talk) 19:37, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Firstly, the data collected. Whereas the data from the 2006 Razumkov study depicts percentages of all individuals participating, the latest poll only addresses which religion and denomination the participants consider themselves to be adherents of. It does not reflect the number of people who consider themselves to be atheists/irreligious. Just the leap from 62.5% not being religious, or unaware of their religious affiliation to 'no religion' at 6.1% is a bit of a give away. Suddenly, the majority of those who are not religious drops to a tiny percentage? The recent crises have turned millions to religion? Please try to be serious about what is being presented instead of edit warring over how many belong to the Moscow Patriarchate, how many to Kyivan Patriarchate, and how many to the Autocephalous Orthodox Church. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 00:15, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
First of all, I make it clear that I am the same user who intervened as an anonymous IP in the last weeks. The 2015 data reported by the "Info-Light" website introduced by FrankCesco26 are flawed, possibly a misinterpretation of the data provided by original sources. In order to demonstrate this, I have made a research in Ukrainian language, and I have found an original publication of Razumkov Center which contains all their surveys from 2000 to 2016 ( РЕЛІГІЯ, ЦЕРКВА, СУСПІЛЬСТВО І ДЕРЖАВА: ДВА РОКИ ПІСЛЯ МАЙДАНУ Religion, Church, Society and State: Two Years after Maidan, 2016 report). Ultimately, it confirms the suspects advanced by Iryna Harpy: breakdowns of religious populations which show a very large proportion for each one of them are calculated on the part of the entire population declaring to be "believers", not taking into account the large population of "non believers".
For instance, from the 2016 data contained in the report linked hereinabove we know that (pp. 27-29):
The report then provides breakdowns for all regions of Ukraine. Thus, what we have to do at this point is to calculate the proportion of religious believers on the entire population. The result is what follows:
Of the Orthodox, as of 2016 (p. 31): 38.1% belong to the Kievan Patriarchate, 23% to the Moscovian Patriarchate, 2.7% are Autocephalous Orthodox, 32.3% are simply Orthodox and 3.1% do not know which patriarchate they belong to. Calculating this proportions on the 46% who are Orthodox out of the total population, the proportion of affilates to the different patriarchates out of the total population are the following ones:
-- Wddan ( talk) 12:54, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
Moreover, another important addition to the article would be the list of registered religious organizations. The RISU (Religion Information Service of Ukraine) provides a yearly updated list. Here is the list for 2016.-- Wddan ( talk) 12:59, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
I do not see the justification for multiplying the percentages in the table on page 29 by the percentage of believers on page 27. Where does it say in the text of the report that the table on page 29 is of a subset of respondents who answered that they were believers? There is after all no contradiction between being (for example) orthodox and being either uncertain of one's belief or finding it difficult to answer whether one believes or not.
Most of the tables have the data listed as percentage of respondents (% опитаних). The table in the top part of page 31 has a footnote, which says "Percentages do not equal 100 because the diagram does not show the percentage of those who do not consider themselves Orthodox." (Сума відсотків не дорівнює 100, оскільки на діаграмі не наведено відсоток тих, хто не відносить себе до православних.)
Page 22 of the report has a paragraph that relates to the table on page 29:
Notice that it does not say % of believers. -- Toddy1 (talk) 19:40, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Page 27 contains the following table:
Ukraine, 2016 Source =
Report page 27 Незалежно від того, відвідуєте Ви церкву чи ні, ким Ви себе вважаєте? Whether you attend church or not, who do you think you are? % опитаних % of respondents |
Україна Ukraine |
Донбас Donbass | |
---|---|---|---|
Віруючим | Believers | 70.4% | 57.2% |
Тим, хто вагається між вірою і невір’ям | Those who hesitate between belief and disbelief | 10.1% | 19.5% |
Невіруючим | Not a believer | 6.3% | 7.2% |
Переконаним атеїстом | Atheist beliefs | 2.7% | 5.0% |
Мені це байдуже | Do not care | 7.2% | 9.4% |
Важко відповісти | Difficult to answer | 3.9% | 1.6% |
Page 29 contains the following table:
Ukraine, 2016 Source =
Report page 29 До якої релігії Ви себе відносите? Which religion are you yourself? (changes over time) % опитаних % of respondents |
Україна Ukraine |
Донбас Donbass | |
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Православ’я | Othodox | 65.4% | 50.6% |
Римо-католицизм | Roman Catholic | 1.0% | 0.0% |
Греко-католицизм | Greek Catholic | 6.5% | 0.0% |
Протестантизм | Protestant | 1.9% | 2.5% |
Іудаїзм | Jew | 0.2% | 0.0% |
Іслам | Islam | 1.1% | 6.0% |
Буддизм | Buddhist | 0.0% | 0.0% |
Індуїзм | Hindu | 0.2% | 0.6% |
Язичництво | Pagan | 0.0% | 0.0% |
Просто християнин | Simply Christian | 7.1% | 11.9% |
Інше | Other | 0.2% | 0.0% |
Не відношу себе до жодного з релігій- них віросповідань | Do not consider myself to be any of these creeds' religions | 16.3% | 28.3% |
Не відповіли | No answer | 0.0% | 0.0% |
@ FrankCesco26: if the article is going to cite the report, it needs to specify page numbers - citing different pages for different facts. It is a 44 page document, that is too long to just point people at the document.-- Toddy1 (talk) 21:30, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Here is another table of data from the 2016 survey. This one cross-tabulates religion with belief. The first column of percentages is from page 27 of the previous report (the table that deals with belief). The other columns are from another document that is full of survey results from the 2016 survey.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:28, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
Незалежно від того, відвідуєте Ви церкву чи ні, ким Ви себе вважаєте? Whether you attend church or not, who do you think you are? % опитаних % of respondents | |||||||||
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Ukraine, 2016 Source = Report page 27 | Source =
Religion and Church in Ukrainian society, denominational division. The results of sociological research. Page 9 A study conducted by the Razumkov Center from 25 to 30 March 2016 in all regions of Ukraine except Crimea and the occupied territories of Donetsk and Lugansk regions. Polled 2,018 respondents aged 18 years and over. The error margin does not exceed 2.3%. | ||||||||
Україна Ukraine |
УПЦ (МП) Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) |
УПЦ- КП Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Kiev Patriarchate) |
Інші православні Other Orthodox |
УГКЦ Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church |
Просто християни Just Christian |
Інші конфесії Other denominations |
Не відносять себе до жодної релігії Do not belong to any religion | ||
Віруючим | Believers | 70.4% | 88.1% | 88.5% | 74.1% | 96.9% | 55.2% | 89.2% | 11.8% |
Тим, хто вагається між вірою і невір’ям | Those who hesitate between belief and disbelief | 10.1% | 5.9% | 7.1% | 12.5% | 3.1% | 20.3% | 3.2% | 14.5% |
Невіруючим | Not a believer | 6.3% | 1.0% | 0.4% | 3.5% | 0.0% | 4.2% | 1.1% | 29.4% |
Переконаним атеїстом | Atheist beliefs | 2.7% | 0.7% | 0.2% | 0.6% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 4.3% | 13.6% |
Мені це байдуже | Do not care | 7.2% | 2.3% | 1.8% | 5.8% | 0.0% | 10.5% | 0.0% | 25.5% |
Важко відповісти | Difficult to answer | 3.9% | 2.0% | 2.0% | 3.5% | 0.0% | 9.8% | 2.2% | 5.2% |
2000 [1] [2] [3] | 2005 [1] [2] [3] | Nov 2010 [1] [2] [3] | Mar 2013 [4] [1] [2] [3] | Apr 2014 [2] [3] | Feb 2015 [5] | Mar 2016 [3] | May-Jun 2016 [6] | Nov 2016 [7] | ||
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Православ’я | Orthodox | 66.0% | 60.8% | 68.1% | 70.6% | 70.2% | 73.7% | 65.4% | 54% Does not include other Orthodox |
64.7% |
Римо-католицизм | Roman Catholic | 0.5% | 1.6% | 0.4% | 1.3% | 1.0% | 0.8% | 1.0% | 1% | 0.8% |
Греко-католицизм | Greek Catholic | 7.6% | 7.6% | 7.6% | 5.7% | 7.8% | 8.1% | 6.5% | 9% | 8.2% |
Протестантизм | Protestant | 2.0% | 1.3% | 1.9% | 0.8% | 1.0% | 0.9% | 1.9% | 1% | 1.2% |
Іудаїзм | Jew | 0.3% | 0.2% | 0.1% | 0.3% | 0.1% | - | 0.2% | - | 0.2% |
Іслам | Islam | 0.7% | 0.4% | 0.9% | 0.7% | 0.2% | - | 1.1% | - | 0.0% |
Буддизм | Buddhist | 0.1% | 0.0% | 0.1% | 0.0% | 0.2% | - | 0.0% | - | 0.2% |
Індуїзм | Hindu | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.1% | 0.0% | - | 0.2% | - | 0.0% |
Язичництво | Pagan | 0.1% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.1% | 0.0% | - | 0.0% | - | 0.1% |
Просто християнин | Simply Christian | 6.9% | 15.8% | 7.2% | 8.6% | 6.3% | 8.5% | 7.1% | 23% I believe in God, but do not belong to any religion 7% Atheist |
12.7% |
Не відношу себе до жодного з релігій- них віросповідань | Do not consider myself to be any of these creeds' religions | 15.3% | 11.8% | 13.2% | 11.3% | 12.5% | 6.1% | 16.3% | 11.4% | |
Інше | Other | 0.5% | 0.2% | 0.2% | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.7% | 0.2% | 1% | 0.3% |
Не відповіли | No answer | - | 0.2% | 0.3% | 0.5% | 0.7% | 1.1% difficult to answer |
0.0% | 6% difficult to answer |
0.2% |
Sample size | 2010 | 2012 | 25000 | 2018 | 2400 | 2018 |
Thank you very much! The last table shows finally the affiliation of the "non believers" in various religions, so Wddan you finally have the demonstration of what you think is wrong. Also, Toddy1 I think we can update March 2016 data with November 2016 data. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrankCesco26 ( talk • contribs) 05:50, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
@ FrankCesco26: @ Jobas:, @ Wddan: The survey results contain a category "Просто християнин" for christians who do not identify with any particular denomination. "Християнин" means "christian". "Просто" means "just", "merely", "simply". Do you have any preference for how we express this in the labels in tables and graphs?-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:04, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
Found another source of surveys: Romir Ukraine, which is the exclusive representative of Gallup International in Ukraine.
Note that the survey size is smaller than the Razumkov surveys, and unlike Razumkov only covers urban areas-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:30, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
Religion in Ukraine (Razumkov 2016 survey)
I propose to add this version of the pie chart in the lede, which includes the breakdown of the different types of Orthodoxy. This is because there are very deep difference between these various types of Orthodoxy. For instance, the Kyevan Patriarchate, which was founded in 1992, is not considered part of the Eastern Orthodox Church, and the unaffiliated Orthodox could include the non-Christian "Native Orthodox" (Rodnovers). So, lumping all of them together under the label "Eastern Orthodox Church" is wildly erroneous. FrankCesco and Jobas oppose the addition. Toddy1, Iryna Harpy, what do you think about it? -- Wddan ( talk) 15:21, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
2000 | 2005 | 2010 | 2013 | 2014 | 2016 | |
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Orthodox | 66.0% | 60.8% | 68.1% | 70.6% | 70.2% | 65.4% |
Moscow Patriarchate | 9.2% | 10.6% | 23.6% | 19.6% | 17.4% | 15.0% |
Kiev Patriarchate | 12.1% | 14.0% | 15.1% | 18.3% | 22.4% | 25.0% |
Autocephalous | 1.3% | 0.8% | 0.9% | 0.8% | 0.7% | 1.8% |
Just Orthodox | 38.6% | 33.4% | 25.9% | 28.8% | 28.1% | 21.2% |
Orthodox do not know which denomination | 4.6% | 1.9% | 1.6% | 2.5% | 1.4% | 2.0% |
Missing | 0.2% | 0.1% | 1.0% | 0.6% | 0.2% | 0.4% |
There is an interesting trend there - over time a greater percentage of the orthodox are identifying with one or the other of the two patriarchates.-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:48, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Since we finally found data for Ukrainian oblasts, I think we should bring this data making a "Religion" section for each oblast of Ukraine. This could be something like this:
(pie chart) https://pastebin.com/m0D51Qck
The dominant religion in [name] Oblast is Eastern Orthodox Christianity (or Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church for some oblasts), professed by [number]% of the population. Another [number]% declares to be non-religious and [number]% are unaffiliated generic Christians. Adherents of Roman Catholicism and Protestantism make up [number]% and [number]% of the population respectively. [number]% didn't answer to the question or is follower of other religions.
The Orthodox community of [name] is divided as follows:
Toddy1, Jobas, Wddan can you help me with this work? Thank you. FrankCesco26 (talk) 12:32, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
The Razumkov Centre has a footnote in one of its reports on what is included under "Protestants" in their surveys:
"РелігійНість УкраїНців: рівень, характер, ставлення до окремих аспектів церковно-релігійної ситуації і державно-конфесійних відносин (результати загальнонаціонального соціологічного дослідження)" [Ukrainian Religiosity: level, character, attitude to certain aspects of ecclesiastical-religious situations and public-church relations (results of a nationwide poll)] (PDF), Національна Безпека і Оборона (National Defence and Security) (1 (138) ed.), Razumkov Centre, p. 18, 2013
-- Toddy1 (talk) 16:34, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
Greek Catholic AKA Ukrainian Greek catholic is a type of roman Catholic. The use of Roman Catholic seems to refer to the Latin Church in this context. I do not know why my editing of this confusing box keeps getting reverted, Whoever is doing so can very easily read up on the subject matter themselves. This is infact wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magjozs ( talk • contribs) 03:51, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
@ FrankCesco26, Iryna Harpy, JimRenge, Jobas, Magjozs, Nillurcheier, and Graham87: (and whoever else including the IP) Please figure out what the consensus is so the edit war can stop. Thanks. -- NeilN talk to me 15:38, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
The Joshua Project is a foreign (American) organisation with an agenda to promote. It is a ministry of Frontier Ventures, which claims to be an apostolic community committed to a common life and vision. [2]
I suspect that surveys by the Razumkov Centre are more reliable. It is regarded as a top research institute. It is Ukrainian, and its clients are Ukrainian.-- Toddy1 (talk) 21:21, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
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Any reason why the religion of Islam in Ukraine was omitted from the pie chart? 176.55.111.251 ( talk) 17:42, 7 July 2022 (UTC)