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Why is the Turkish word Diyanet is used instead of the English name of the ministry? 24.84.96.9
99.8% is a very dubious number and is probably very much on the higher side. More than a result of a rigorous polling, it seems to originate from a comparison of the population of "officially recognized religious minorities" to the general population, including everyone else in the muslim community. Nevermind that these official minorities are underreported, it fails to account for foreign nationals living in Turkey, or members of unrecognized religious minorities (such as ethnic Turks of Protestant Christian faith or people of Yazidi faith), and it also fails to account for people of no religious affiliations, ie atheists. That figure being cited so often, and being just the same figure down to the decimal point for as long as I can remember, it is clear to me that it is more misleading than informative. An alternative to the sentence in the text could have been a something like "Although %99.8 of the citizens of Turkey are of muslim turkish ancestry, Turkey has no officially recognized state religion and the secularity of the government is protected by the constitution", but a start like "It is estimated that over 99% of turkish population ..." would be much more acceptable.
Nominally, 97.4% of the Turkish population is Muslim
About 99% of the population is officially claimed to be Muslim...
Which, if any is correct?-- Cory Kohn 11:02, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Friends of mine, made through them leasing one of my shops, are from Turkey. They say that, although Islam is the main religion, they don't strictly follow any religion where they are from and they certainly don't whilst they are here. A Muslim is a person who adheres, strictly, to the Islamic religion. Therefore, not all Islamics are Muslim
I imagine a Muslim to be the equivalent of, maybe, a 'born again' Christian in a country in which Christianity is the main religion.
This taken into account, Turkey cannot claim that 99% of it's population are Muslims. Maybe Islamic, from an Islamic country, but not Muslims.
Islamic opinion would be welcomed.
92.239.71.235 ( talk) 19:52, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
According to recent polls, surveys, and studies there is a growing number of atheists and agnostics in Turkey:
7.2% say that they do not practice any religion (ie. atheists or agnostics)
(the source of one of these studies is http://www.stargazete.com/index.asp?haberid=147097 )
The real number of atheists is much higher as it is not easy to freely declare yourself as an atheist in a predominantly Muslim country. A collection of results of such recent studies gives the following result:
Religion in Turkey:
Sunnites : 55.71 % Shiites : 1.84 % Alevites : 35.00 % Atheists etc. : 7.20 % Christians : 0.20 % Jews : 0.04 % Other : 0.01 % ------------------------ Total : 100.00 %
The number of atheists and agnostics is even much more but it is not easy to
declare yourself as such in a predominantly Muslim country...
In Turkey about 7.7% are dangerous Sunnite Islamists. They want an Islamic State and Sharia Laws like that in Iran or Saudi Arabia...
Using the above numbers, the total number of muslims in Turkey is less than 92.55 %. But I guess there are at least twice that much atheists, so then the numbers become:
Sunnites : 47.91 % Shiites : 1.84 % Alevites : 35.00 % Atheists etc. : 15.00 % (my 'educated guestimate') Christians : 0.20 % Jews : 0.04 % Other : 0.01 % ----------------------- Total : 100.00 %
So then the real number of muslims in Turkey is about 84.75%
References and details for the above numbers (first table) can be found here:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.turkish/msg/981c63f4ac1221d6 http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.turkish/msg/2fd41c2e0a654d93 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.162.237.37 ( talk) 09:48, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
The 'Intro Paragraph' is a rambling behemoth crammed full of extraneous (to a summary) information. It needs to be rebuilt to full fill its purpose of acting as a succinct summation of the article. Mavigogun ( talk) 05:24, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
The space given to this single source, regardless of subjective accuracy, is unbalanced and effectively attributes relative merit. Mavigogun ( talk) 05:05, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
The KONDA material is mis-cited in the current version of the article, as well as the general article on Turkey. Based on the following paragraph from page 26, atheists and non-believers make up 3.2% of the population - certainly not in the teens. 86.1% of the people define themselves as "believer" or "religious" and an additional 9.7% are fully devout. Please correct unless there are other more credible sources.
When asked how people define their relation with religion, their level of religiosity, 52.8 % of them defined themselves as “a religious person who strives to fulfill religious obligations (RELIGIOUS)”, 34.3 % as “a believer who does not fulfill religious obligations (BELIEVER)”, 9.7 % as “a fully devout person fulfilling all religious obligations (FULLY DEVOUT)”, 2.3 % as “someone who does not believe in religious obligations (NON-BELIEVER) and 0.9 % as “someone with no religious conviction (ATHEIST).” (The one word definitions in parentheses are ours. In the following tables and explanations, these definitions are being used. Also, the ATHEIST group is incorporated into the NON-BELIEVER group.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.201.164.227 ( talk) 07:17, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
At the first paragraph, it says, more than 99 percent (in the "Islam" section 99.8%) of the population is Muslim. That is not true. 99.8% does not even believe in God. Officially, it may true. Because all the atheits seems Muslim at identity cards, it has been written at the birth automatichally if they parents are Muslim, and they do not try to change it. All the officers know and accept that these numbers are wrong. Numbers at the "Studies" section are truer. The Muslim population is not higher than 97%. Numbers at the fist paragtaph and "Islam" Section must be fixed. If noone demurs, I will change them.-- Cfsenel ( talk) 17:11, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Right...well, we have a study that shows that 96% of the population is Muslim, so your anecdotal evidence is pretty baseless. We will stick to the KONDA survey. The Fear ( talk) 23:30, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
...Not even a picture of Hagia Sophia... seems like this article is especially written to glorify turkish "tolerance" for other relegions. When and if its creators and contributors decide to make it encyclopedic, I may contribute myself... Hectorian ( talk) 00:55, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Someone has been modifying the statistics from the KONDA survey, putting Atheism at 30%, Christianity around 13%,and Islam at 9%. Please adhere to the statistics that were published by the KONDA survey and do not vandalize. The Fear ( talk) 15:17, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Do you support my proposal of unifying the atheism and agnosticism into irreligion per other articles present in Religion in Europe template? And yes, I know that KONDA research made them the two separate categories, but that doesn't change the reality that ALL the other articles present in Religion in Europe template have irreligion as one category. In the meantime, all the KONDA inforamtions will be left intact ( atheism and agnosticism separated). Please, (re-)consider this wisely? Btw, sorry for vandalism (edit before consulting), it was my only way of driving attention to the talk page. Sorry again. 178.223.123.111 ( talk) 21:03, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
The muslim ratio of 99% shows a highly unrealistic number. In fact Turkey is unique in the world for a secular country to show that much high percentage in favor of a single religion, basically saying everybody is Muslim. This problem stems from the administrative approach of Turkey. The state simply subtracts the official Christian minorities from the total population and consider everyone else as Muslim. The identity cards of the citizens of Turkey feature a "religion" entry which is filled with the default "Islam" right at birth, no matter what the parents believe in. Nearly all of the atheists living in Turkey have "Islam" written on their identity cards. Until recently it was impossible for anybody to have Islam erased from their cards. Now a new legislation permits it. Still Islam is written as default religion but now those people that want their religion entry erased, are obliged to submit a formal petition to the birth or records office, which will result in total revision of the identity card. Few atheists care to bother the bureucratic formalities and take the time to make an application. There is also the fear of religious discrimination, since there is a tendency in Turkey about atheists being targeted in the army and by the police officers, and be subject to psychological (and sometimes physical) atrocities by the officers. Nevertheless, an increasing number of people have their cards free of religious entry in recent years.
With all these facts being considered, it can only be guessed by recent polls and from the discussions in internet forums, from the social media platforms that at least 40% of the people active on the web call themselves non-muslims. Although no perfectly meaningful conclusion can be derived from such an unpredictable data source, it should be taken as a side-source to reach to more logical numbers and rates. Besides, at least 65-70% of the population of Turkey is secular and are strictly against any Islamic influence on the state. Since Islam, in its nature, a religion that dictates a social and political structure as well as individual subordination, it is generally guessed from some of these peoples' defiance, a lot of people also have agnostic tendency, ie. they believe in God but not necessarily in Mohamed as a prophet, or the Islamic teachings. Again, since there is no concrete research about this, any comment will be a wild guess at best.
As a result, it would be safe to guess the following:
Muslims (sunni, alevi, secular muslims and other minor sects) : 77% Agnostics : 15% Atheists : 7% Christians and Jewish: 1% — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jodien37 ( talk • contribs) 10:07, 23 February 2013 (UTC) --KONDA statics takes consideration of this issue. The statics is not based on what is in the card and according to statics: 2.3% are agnostic while 0.9% are atheists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.110.18 ( talk) 05:20, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
See my last edit [1]. I asked "which report?" for a report Jewish religious freedoms on Turkey. I guess it's the report in the previous paragraph but I'm not sure since its link is not working. Kavas ( talk) 01:52, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Found in the "Restriction of alcoholic sales and advertising" section. As Turkey is secular and there are Christians and Jews in Turkey anyway, is this really relevant to this section of the article? 195.162.87.201 ( talk) 11:30, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
People with nothing better to do seem intent on vandalizing the pie chart that shows the breakdown between the Sunni, Alevi and Other religious segments of the Turkish population. Pursuant to that, I have requested that temporary semi-protection be implemented on this article to stop the edit warring, which is occurring between unregistered and newly registered users. Wgw2024 ( talk) 08:00, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
I've reverted your edit; the pie chart reflects the demographic data given in the opening paragraph for which citations are provided. The pie chart does not require an independent citation, as it's just a graphic visualizing statistics already in the article. Wgw2024 ( talk) 11:12, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
You know what rep, you have a point insofar as on further review the pie chart does not accurately reflect the cited stats. I've taken it down and am going to redo it with the precise figure, and move it down the page. But I maintain we need it; virtually all Wkkkipedia articles on Religion by Country have such a pie chart. Wgw2024 ( talk) 19:09, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
The religion chart now 100% reflects the demographic numbers posted immediately to the left of it. Wgw2024 ( talk) 20:33, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
A small, less than 5,000, Turkish Protestant Christian community most of whose members are of recent Muslim Turkish background also exists. [1] [2] [3] [4]
- ^ Luxmoore, Jonathan (4 March 2011). "Turkish Protestants still face "long path" to religious freedom". The Christian Century. Retrieved 12 October 2014.
- ^ Ziflioğlu, Vercihan (20 July 2011). "Christians in eastern Turkey worried despite church opening". Hürriyet Daily News. Retrieved 12 October 2014.
- ^ White, Jenny (2012). Muslim Nationalism and the New Turks. Princeton University Press. Retrieved 12 October 2014.
- ^ "TURKEY: Protestant church closed down". Church in Chains. 2 October 2014.
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I've extract the disputed bit, rewrote slightly, and expanded the references. The references look reasonable to me and support the statement. However it should be balanced by numbers for some of the other Christian groups especially since many of the other groups are significantly larger. -- Erp ( talk) 20:50, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
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Merging though the hyponyms ( Atheism, Agnosticism and Nontheism) under their hypernym Irreligion is ABSOLUTELY UNFAIR because you didn't merge the hyponyms of Theism/ Religion ( Islam and Christianity). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.84.214.21 ( talk) 03:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
a paragraph is titled:
Claims of increasing Islamization
the text supports the title to be:
Claims of increasing state Islamization
or
Claims of increasing Islamization of the state
or more accurately
Claims of state imposed Islamization (but that will require even more citations and submitted facts)
If you still support the sense of overall Islamization, add links about it
and statistical facts which support it;
otherwise change the title.
Even if you claim: "it's not a fact but an opinion"
still you have to add better citations.
Your citations are either generic, or about political pressure.
It is important to be analytical in the title because:
Islamization is a noun with a wider range of definitions (one could mean Islamization of the population) versus the bilectic noun state Islamization.
Being accurate is extremely important, because history never ends, so even opposite meanings do occur after many decades. Do you want to be always correct by using ambiguous language as the Pythia?
Pythianism (usage of ambiguous language) is religious and sometimes poetic, but by no means encyclopedic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2149:8773:4500:40B0:1930:C83F:EED6 ( talk) 12:46, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
This chart has no proof and should be deleted 108.31.250.33 ( talk) 04:52, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
According to the info in the article of Turkey, "In a mid-2010s poll, 2.9% of Turkish respondents identified as atheists." (human.nl) I would say that as someone who lives in Turkey, this information is realistic. See also the chart in Turkey#Religion. - Aybeg ( talk) 09:49, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
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Lol bullshit i'm Turkish and i know a lot of ateists or non-believers, it's something more like 85-90% muslim based on my surrounding whoever said its 99,8% is dumb or american — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.196.188.16 ( talk) 22:27, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi, concerning irreligion in Turkey can someone add this somewhere "Another poll conducted by Gezici Araştırma in 2020 found that 28,5% of Gen Z in Turkey are atheists, and only 15,7% pratice Islam. [1] [2]" I wanted to do it but I can't because the article is protected. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.184.124.155 ( talk) 11:16, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
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Shouldn't there be a pie chart? Why was the one from Palpatine the Good removed? Gulvur ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 22:46, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
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We've included the claim that 99.8% of the population of Turkey is Muslim since the first version of this article in 2006. However, the Turkish version of this article doesn't mention the 99.8% figure at all. I also wasn't able to find any official Turkish sources making this claim. The only semi-official source I've been able to find for it so far is the CIA World Factbook, which doesn't give a year or source for the figure (although I've confirmed it goes back to at least the 1999 World Factbook). Since the figure is outdated and possibly untraceable to a primary source, I think it should be removed from the article. Nosferattus ( talk) 20:32, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
I live in Turkey, and nobody in my class or people I know identifies as a muslim. All of them identifies as non-religious. ( Atheist, deism... ) Even when I ask " What is your religion ? " to my teachers, I get answers like Atheism and Agnosticism. The 99% Muslim claim is just a false claim for the government to fool themselves. I request it to be changed. It's not accurate at all. It's impossible to be 99%. It should be around 25% - 45%. 24.133.172.217 ( talk) 13:08, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
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Why is the Turkish word Diyanet is used instead of the English name of the ministry? 24.84.96.9
99.8% is a very dubious number and is probably very much on the higher side. More than a result of a rigorous polling, it seems to originate from a comparison of the population of "officially recognized religious minorities" to the general population, including everyone else in the muslim community. Nevermind that these official minorities are underreported, it fails to account for foreign nationals living in Turkey, or members of unrecognized religious minorities (such as ethnic Turks of Protestant Christian faith or people of Yazidi faith), and it also fails to account for people of no religious affiliations, ie atheists. That figure being cited so often, and being just the same figure down to the decimal point for as long as I can remember, it is clear to me that it is more misleading than informative. An alternative to the sentence in the text could have been a something like "Although %99.8 of the citizens of Turkey are of muslim turkish ancestry, Turkey has no officially recognized state religion and the secularity of the government is protected by the constitution", but a start like "It is estimated that over 99% of turkish population ..." would be much more acceptable.
Nominally, 97.4% of the Turkish population is Muslim
About 99% of the population is officially claimed to be Muslim...
Which, if any is correct?-- Cory Kohn 11:02, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Friends of mine, made through them leasing one of my shops, are from Turkey. They say that, although Islam is the main religion, they don't strictly follow any religion where they are from and they certainly don't whilst they are here. A Muslim is a person who adheres, strictly, to the Islamic religion. Therefore, not all Islamics are Muslim
I imagine a Muslim to be the equivalent of, maybe, a 'born again' Christian in a country in which Christianity is the main religion.
This taken into account, Turkey cannot claim that 99% of it's population are Muslims. Maybe Islamic, from an Islamic country, but not Muslims.
Islamic opinion would be welcomed.
92.239.71.235 ( talk) 19:52, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
According to recent polls, surveys, and studies there is a growing number of atheists and agnostics in Turkey:
7.2% say that they do not practice any religion (ie. atheists or agnostics)
(the source of one of these studies is http://www.stargazete.com/index.asp?haberid=147097 )
The real number of atheists is much higher as it is not easy to freely declare yourself as an atheist in a predominantly Muslim country. A collection of results of such recent studies gives the following result:
Religion in Turkey:
Sunnites : 55.71 % Shiites : 1.84 % Alevites : 35.00 % Atheists etc. : 7.20 % Christians : 0.20 % Jews : 0.04 % Other : 0.01 % ------------------------ Total : 100.00 %
The number of atheists and agnostics is even much more but it is not easy to
declare yourself as such in a predominantly Muslim country...
In Turkey about 7.7% are dangerous Sunnite Islamists. They want an Islamic State and Sharia Laws like that in Iran or Saudi Arabia...
Using the above numbers, the total number of muslims in Turkey is less than 92.55 %. But I guess there are at least twice that much atheists, so then the numbers become:
Sunnites : 47.91 % Shiites : 1.84 % Alevites : 35.00 % Atheists etc. : 15.00 % (my 'educated guestimate') Christians : 0.20 % Jews : 0.04 % Other : 0.01 % ----------------------- Total : 100.00 %
So then the real number of muslims in Turkey is about 84.75%
References and details for the above numbers (first table) can be found here:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.turkish/msg/981c63f4ac1221d6 http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.turkish/msg/2fd41c2e0a654d93 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.162.237.37 ( talk) 09:48, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
The 'Intro Paragraph' is a rambling behemoth crammed full of extraneous (to a summary) information. It needs to be rebuilt to full fill its purpose of acting as a succinct summation of the article. Mavigogun ( talk) 05:24, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
The space given to this single source, regardless of subjective accuracy, is unbalanced and effectively attributes relative merit. Mavigogun ( talk) 05:05, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
The KONDA material is mis-cited in the current version of the article, as well as the general article on Turkey. Based on the following paragraph from page 26, atheists and non-believers make up 3.2% of the population - certainly not in the teens. 86.1% of the people define themselves as "believer" or "religious" and an additional 9.7% are fully devout. Please correct unless there are other more credible sources.
When asked how people define their relation with religion, their level of religiosity, 52.8 % of them defined themselves as “a religious person who strives to fulfill religious obligations (RELIGIOUS)”, 34.3 % as “a believer who does not fulfill religious obligations (BELIEVER)”, 9.7 % as “a fully devout person fulfilling all religious obligations (FULLY DEVOUT)”, 2.3 % as “someone who does not believe in religious obligations (NON-BELIEVER) and 0.9 % as “someone with no religious conviction (ATHEIST).” (The one word definitions in parentheses are ours. In the following tables and explanations, these definitions are being used. Also, the ATHEIST group is incorporated into the NON-BELIEVER group.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.201.164.227 ( talk) 07:17, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
At the first paragraph, it says, more than 99 percent (in the "Islam" section 99.8%) of the population is Muslim. That is not true. 99.8% does not even believe in God. Officially, it may true. Because all the atheits seems Muslim at identity cards, it has been written at the birth automatichally if they parents are Muslim, and they do not try to change it. All the officers know and accept that these numbers are wrong. Numbers at the "Studies" section are truer. The Muslim population is not higher than 97%. Numbers at the fist paragtaph and "Islam" Section must be fixed. If noone demurs, I will change them.-- Cfsenel ( talk) 17:11, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Right...well, we have a study that shows that 96% of the population is Muslim, so your anecdotal evidence is pretty baseless. We will stick to the KONDA survey. The Fear ( talk) 23:30, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
...Not even a picture of Hagia Sophia... seems like this article is especially written to glorify turkish "tolerance" for other relegions. When and if its creators and contributors decide to make it encyclopedic, I may contribute myself... Hectorian ( talk) 00:55, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Someone has been modifying the statistics from the KONDA survey, putting Atheism at 30%, Christianity around 13%,and Islam at 9%. Please adhere to the statistics that were published by the KONDA survey and do not vandalize. The Fear ( talk) 15:17, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Do you support my proposal of unifying the atheism and agnosticism into irreligion per other articles present in Religion in Europe template? And yes, I know that KONDA research made them the two separate categories, but that doesn't change the reality that ALL the other articles present in Religion in Europe template have irreligion as one category. In the meantime, all the KONDA inforamtions will be left intact ( atheism and agnosticism separated). Please, (re-)consider this wisely? Btw, sorry for vandalism (edit before consulting), it was my only way of driving attention to the talk page. Sorry again. 178.223.123.111 ( talk) 21:03, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
The muslim ratio of 99% shows a highly unrealistic number. In fact Turkey is unique in the world for a secular country to show that much high percentage in favor of a single religion, basically saying everybody is Muslim. This problem stems from the administrative approach of Turkey. The state simply subtracts the official Christian minorities from the total population and consider everyone else as Muslim. The identity cards of the citizens of Turkey feature a "religion" entry which is filled with the default "Islam" right at birth, no matter what the parents believe in. Nearly all of the atheists living in Turkey have "Islam" written on their identity cards. Until recently it was impossible for anybody to have Islam erased from their cards. Now a new legislation permits it. Still Islam is written as default religion but now those people that want their religion entry erased, are obliged to submit a formal petition to the birth or records office, which will result in total revision of the identity card. Few atheists care to bother the bureucratic formalities and take the time to make an application. There is also the fear of religious discrimination, since there is a tendency in Turkey about atheists being targeted in the army and by the police officers, and be subject to psychological (and sometimes physical) atrocities by the officers. Nevertheless, an increasing number of people have their cards free of religious entry in recent years.
With all these facts being considered, it can only be guessed by recent polls and from the discussions in internet forums, from the social media platforms that at least 40% of the people active on the web call themselves non-muslims. Although no perfectly meaningful conclusion can be derived from such an unpredictable data source, it should be taken as a side-source to reach to more logical numbers and rates. Besides, at least 65-70% of the population of Turkey is secular and are strictly against any Islamic influence on the state. Since Islam, in its nature, a religion that dictates a social and political structure as well as individual subordination, it is generally guessed from some of these peoples' defiance, a lot of people also have agnostic tendency, ie. they believe in God but not necessarily in Mohamed as a prophet, or the Islamic teachings. Again, since there is no concrete research about this, any comment will be a wild guess at best.
As a result, it would be safe to guess the following:
Muslims (sunni, alevi, secular muslims and other minor sects) : 77% Agnostics : 15% Atheists : 7% Christians and Jewish: 1% — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jodien37 ( talk • contribs) 10:07, 23 February 2013 (UTC) --KONDA statics takes consideration of this issue. The statics is not based on what is in the card and according to statics: 2.3% are agnostic while 0.9% are atheists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.110.18 ( talk) 05:20, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
See my last edit [1]. I asked "which report?" for a report Jewish religious freedoms on Turkey. I guess it's the report in the previous paragraph but I'm not sure since its link is not working. Kavas ( talk) 01:52, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Found in the "Restriction of alcoholic sales and advertising" section. As Turkey is secular and there are Christians and Jews in Turkey anyway, is this really relevant to this section of the article? 195.162.87.201 ( talk) 11:30, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
People with nothing better to do seem intent on vandalizing the pie chart that shows the breakdown between the Sunni, Alevi and Other religious segments of the Turkish population. Pursuant to that, I have requested that temporary semi-protection be implemented on this article to stop the edit warring, which is occurring between unregistered and newly registered users. Wgw2024 ( talk) 08:00, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
I've reverted your edit; the pie chart reflects the demographic data given in the opening paragraph for which citations are provided. The pie chart does not require an independent citation, as it's just a graphic visualizing statistics already in the article. Wgw2024 ( talk) 11:12, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
You know what rep, you have a point insofar as on further review the pie chart does not accurately reflect the cited stats. I've taken it down and am going to redo it with the precise figure, and move it down the page. But I maintain we need it; virtually all Wkkkipedia articles on Religion by Country have such a pie chart. Wgw2024 ( talk) 19:09, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
The religion chart now 100% reflects the demographic numbers posted immediately to the left of it. Wgw2024 ( talk) 20:33, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
A small, less than 5,000, Turkish Protestant Christian community most of whose members are of recent Muslim Turkish background also exists. [1] [2] [3] [4]
- ^ Luxmoore, Jonathan (4 March 2011). "Turkish Protestants still face "long path" to religious freedom". The Christian Century. Retrieved 12 October 2014.
- ^ Ziflioğlu, Vercihan (20 July 2011). "Christians in eastern Turkey worried despite church opening". Hürriyet Daily News. Retrieved 12 October 2014.
- ^ White, Jenny (2012). Muslim Nationalism and the New Turks. Princeton University Press. Retrieved 12 October 2014.
- ^ "TURKEY: Protestant church closed down". Church in Chains. 2 October 2014.
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I've extract the disputed bit, rewrote slightly, and expanded the references. The references look reasonable to me and support the statement. However it should be balanced by numbers for some of the other Christian groups especially since many of the other groups are significantly larger. -- Erp ( talk) 20:50, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
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Merging though the hyponyms ( Atheism, Agnosticism and Nontheism) under their hypernym Irreligion is ABSOLUTELY UNFAIR because you didn't merge the hyponyms of Theism/ Religion ( Islam and Christianity). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.84.214.21 ( talk) 03:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
a paragraph is titled:
Claims of increasing Islamization
the text supports the title to be:
Claims of increasing state Islamization
or
Claims of increasing Islamization of the state
or more accurately
Claims of state imposed Islamization (but that will require even more citations and submitted facts)
If you still support the sense of overall Islamization, add links about it
and statistical facts which support it;
otherwise change the title.
Even if you claim: "it's not a fact but an opinion"
still you have to add better citations.
Your citations are either generic, or about political pressure.
It is important to be analytical in the title because:
Islamization is a noun with a wider range of definitions (one could mean Islamization of the population) versus the bilectic noun state Islamization.
Being accurate is extremely important, because history never ends, so even opposite meanings do occur after many decades. Do you want to be always correct by using ambiguous language as the Pythia?
Pythianism (usage of ambiguous language) is religious and sometimes poetic, but by no means encyclopedic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2149:8773:4500:40B0:1930:C83F:EED6 ( talk) 12:46, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
This chart has no proof and should be deleted 108.31.250.33 ( talk) 04:52, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
According to the info in the article of Turkey, "In a mid-2010s poll, 2.9% of Turkish respondents identified as atheists." (human.nl) I would say that as someone who lives in Turkey, this information is realistic. See also the chart in Turkey#Religion. - Aybeg ( talk) 09:49, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
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Lol bullshit i'm Turkish and i know a lot of ateists or non-believers, it's something more like 85-90% muslim based on my surrounding whoever said its 99,8% is dumb or american — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.196.188.16 ( talk) 22:27, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi, concerning irreligion in Turkey can someone add this somewhere "Another poll conducted by Gezici Araştırma in 2020 found that 28,5% of Gen Z in Turkey are atheists, and only 15,7% pratice Islam. [1] [2]" I wanted to do it but I can't because the article is protected. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.184.124.155 ( talk) 11:16, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
References
Shouldn't there be a pie chart? Why was the one from Palpatine the Good removed? Gulvur ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 22:46, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
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We've included the claim that 99.8% of the population of Turkey is Muslim since the first version of this article in 2006. However, the Turkish version of this article doesn't mention the 99.8% figure at all. I also wasn't able to find any official Turkish sources making this claim. The only semi-official source I've been able to find for it so far is the CIA World Factbook, which doesn't give a year or source for the figure (although I've confirmed it goes back to at least the 1999 World Factbook). Since the figure is outdated and possibly untraceable to a primary source, I think it should be removed from the article. Nosferattus ( talk) 20:32, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
I live in Turkey, and nobody in my class or people I know identifies as a muslim. All of them identifies as non-religious. ( Atheist, deism... ) Even when I ask " What is your religion ? " to my teachers, I get answers like Atheism and Agnosticism. The 99% Muslim claim is just a false claim for the government to fool themselves. I request it to be changed. It's not accurate at all. It's impossible to be 99%. It should be around 25% - 45%. 24.133.172.217 ( talk) 13:08, 7 August 2023 (UTC)