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I had been under the impression that the Christianization of the Norse was largely by the blade. Is this idea pure fancy on my part? Vivacissamamente 15:53, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
There is some truth to that. The kings would ride from farm cluster to farm cluster, demanding to know if the owners of the house were christian or not, and if not would kill the occupants and give the land to a christian. The other way christianity was introduced was by trade. As the scandinavians were major traders at the time, and some cultures required people they traded with to be christian (or they prefered it?) some people would convert to christianity possibly for the economic reasons. Then you have the before mentioned kings implementing christianity. But I found it also interesting to read the descriptions of christianity in the sagas, where a husband (pagan) and wife (chrisian) differed in oppinion. It was interesting to see how the two religions lived together (note, early christian churches and monuments have many pagan symbols (drangons heads on stave churches) Alexhuntrods 06:27, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I found misleading the lack of numbers for Norse National Religion and Saami People Religion in both, the graphic chart and the lower chart along with the two inssuficient paragraphs dedicated to the authentic religions in Norway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.125.211.89 ( talk) 12:46, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
I was wondering about if, and then how, the Norwegian state directly funds registered religious organization. In Iceland, the government pays each registered religious organization a certain sum of money for each registered member above the age of 16, is there a similar arrangement in Norway? -- Bjarki 21:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
There is a bit of debate about whether Humanism should be given its own line in the new bar chart. I say yes because other than being called a life stance rather than a religion it is treated like a religion in Norway including state support according to membership numbers. In addition its official numbers are greater than that of Catholicism which has its own bar (the smaller Christian groups were merged into one bar as were the smaller non-Christian religions). -- Erp ( talk) 05:05, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
However, it's not just humanist claiming that's life stance, it's also the Norwegian Government (the one organizing the whole Norway). So, I think that's pretty much OK to change the article's name. Also, DRN discussion is about to be closed. 77.46.175.85 ( talk) 14:05, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
About your informations, it states that cultural atheism is faith ("belief in a god or gods or in the doctrines or teachings of the religion or belief without proof")?! However, its article does state that it's used interchargeably with belief, thus opening the doors of statement that more and more people are becoming believer without religion ( SBNR and Ietsism; thus "belief is no longer necessarily hinged to faith"). So, whether you understtod what I said or not, it seems that, because of religion definition's "evolving over time", it's now totally appropriate to call religion all sorts of beliefs, even veganism (not hurting animals philosophy could be as so, but US courts don't seem to agree here (sorry, but this was the only website not crowded with ads (or malware)), but I assume it would also be so with humanism (they would rule its not a religion)). Comprehensively, humanism could be a religion (but couldn't so 50 years ago). I still have to say "could" because I am a kind of humanist, but I wouldn't declare it as my religion (well, in Norway I would, since their censuses are clearly regarding the membership in particular organization). 178.223.213.132 ( talk) 13:35, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
I've done some changes, first got all the stats for 2013 including the Church of Norway. Second I split out the Church of Norway from the other Lutheran denominations since as the State Church it has an unique relationship with the government that no other denomination or life stance has so it is important to know what proportion of the population belongs. I also lumped any Christian denomination with less than 10,000 members into other Christian (there are about 9 other Christian denominations before the Statistics people start lumping them in as other Christians). I also removed the bar graph since it doesn't add any information that isn't already in the table and causes problems if the browser page is narrow. We could instead do a historical graph. BTW the article Mormonism in Norway claims about 4,000 members which, if accurate, should mean it shows up in the statistics as a distinct group (they cutoff seems to about 2500 for Christian groups). Anyone know the story? -- Erp ( talk) 04:43, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
The repeated addition of an oversized picture of a mosque outside of the Islam section appears to give WP:UNDUE weight to Islam in this article. "Giving due weight and avoiding giving undue weight means that articles should not give minority views or aspects as much of, or as detailed, a description as more widely held views or widely supported aspects." Islam is definitely a minority religion in Norway and there is already a picture of a mosque in the corresponding section. The existence of wikipedia articles with inappropriate or policy violating images does not justify the addition of inappropriate (number, size, positioning) images in this article. Septate ( talk) please do not reinsert this picture without WP:CONSENSUS. Thanks JimRenge ( talk) 12:16, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Septate ( talk could you please explain why you insist on substituting 2013 official statistical data from Statistisk Norway with an older 2010 estimate from Pew Research. Thanks JimRenge ( talk) 14:36, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
@ JimRenge, looks like you have a particular bias for Islam. Take the example of Church of Norway. Statistics Norway states that 75.2% of Norway's population is member of Church of Norway. But the article gives 77% figure and no one has challenged it. Can you explain this? Similarly the image of church also looks oversize to me. Should we remove it also?Further more, the source I gave is 2012 estimate by pew research. The difference in numbers given by two sources is because statistics Norway only estimates the number of those Muslims which are members of a particular Islamic congregation. Septate ( talk) 05:58, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't have time right now to incorporate into the article but http://folk.uio.no/leirvik/tekster/YME5.pdf seems to contain a lot of useful info about Muslims (and religion in general) in Norway in 2013. -- Erp ( talk) 04:27, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
I have two concerns about the new pie chart. One is that it is drawing data (the stats for Church of Norway, stats for non-affiliated, stats for other religions and life stances) that though they are from the same source may not be the same time frame (I will note it does not state where the CoN or non-affiliated data is coming from). The other concern is the merging of the Church of Norway into the general Christian slice. I would separate that slice into Church of Norway, Roman Catholic, and other Christian. I'm going to re-check data and also re-check the table later in the article. -- Erp ( talk) 05:23, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
The 2014 numbers are now out; however, the Catholic bishop of Oslo has been charged with fraud in regards to the Catholic membership numbers (for 2014: 140,109) and in particular adding up to 65,000 people without their consent over the last few years (according to Newsweek the diocese has admitted to scouring the phone books and adding people with Polish names to the membership list). This does of course add to the explanations on how the number of Catholics more than doubled since 2010 (when it was 66,972). But it does leave us in a bind on how and when to report the numbers that we now know are likely bogus. We can footnote, we can wait for the bureau to put in corrected numbers. Thoughts? -- Erp ( talk) 23:50, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
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I had been under the impression that the Christianization of the Norse was largely by the blade. Is this idea pure fancy on my part? Vivacissamamente 15:53, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
There is some truth to that. The kings would ride from farm cluster to farm cluster, demanding to know if the owners of the house were christian or not, and if not would kill the occupants and give the land to a christian. The other way christianity was introduced was by trade. As the scandinavians were major traders at the time, and some cultures required people they traded with to be christian (or they prefered it?) some people would convert to christianity possibly for the economic reasons. Then you have the before mentioned kings implementing christianity. But I found it also interesting to read the descriptions of christianity in the sagas, where a husband (pagan) and wife (chrisian) differed in oppinion. It was interesting to see how the two religions lived together (note, early christian churches and monuments have many pagan symbols (drangons heads on stave churches) Alexhuntrods 06:27, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I found misleading the lack of numbers for Norse National Religion and Saami People Religion in both, the graphic chart and the lower chart along with the two inssuficient paragraphs dedicated to the authentic religions in Norway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.125.211.89 ( talk) 12:46, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
I was wondering about if, and then how, the Norwegian state directly funds registered religious organization. In Iceland, the government pays each registered religious organization a certain sum of money for each registered member above the age of 16, is there a similar arrangement in Norway? -- Bjarki 21:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
There is a bit of debate about whether Humanism should be given its own line in the new bar chart. I say yes because other than being called a life stance rather than a religion it is treated like a religion in Norway including state support according to membership numbers. In addition its official numbers are greater than that of Catholicism which has its own bar (the smaller Christian groups were merged into one bar as were the smaller non-Christian religions). -- Erp ( talk) 05:05, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
However, it's not just humanist claiming that's life stance, it's also the Norwegian Government (the one organizing the whole Norway). So, I think that's pretty much OK to change the article's name. Also, DRN discussion is about to be closed. 77.46.175.85 ( talk) 14:05, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
About your informations, it states that cultural atheism is faith ("belief in a god or gods or in the doctrines or teachings of the religion or belief without proof")?! However, its article does state that it's used interchargeably with belief, thus opening the doors of statement that more and more people are becoming believer without religion ( SBNR and Ietsism; thus "belief is no longer necessarily hinged to faith"). So, whether you understtod what I said or not, it seems that, because of religion definition's "evolving over time", it's now totally appropriate to call religion all sorts of beliefs, even veganism (not hurting animals philosophy could be as so, but US courts don't seem to agree here (sorry, but this was the only website not crowded with ads (or malware)), but I assume it would also be so with humanism (they would rule its not a religion)). Comprehensively, humanism could be a religion (but couldn't so 50 years ago). I still have to say "could" because I am a kind of humanist, but I wouldn't declare it as my religion (well, in Norway I would, since their censuses are clearly regarding the membership in particular organization). 178.223.213.132 ( talk) 13:35, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
I've done some changes, first got all the stats for 2013 including the Church of Norway. Second I split out the Church of Norway from the other Lutheran denominations since as the State Church it has an unique relationship with the government that no other denomination or life stance has so it is important to know what proportion of the population belongs. I also lumped any Christian denomination with less than 10,000 members into other Christian (there are about 9 other Christian denominations before the Statistics people start lumping them in as other Christians). I also removed the bar graph since it doesn't add any information that isn't already in the table and causes problems if the browser page is narrow. We could instead do a historical graph. BTW the article Mormonism in Norway claims about 4,000 members which, if accurate, should mean it shows up in the statistics as a distinct group (they cutoff seems to about 2500 for Christian groups). Anyone know the story? -- Erp ( talk) 04:43, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
The repeated addition of an oversized picture of a mosque outside of the Islam section appears to give WP:UNDUE weight to Islam in this article. "Giving due weight and avoiding giving undue weight means that articles should not give minority views or aspects as much of, or as detailed, a description as more widely held views or widely supported aspects." Islam is definitely a minority religion in Norway and there is already a picture of a mosque in the corresponding section. The existence of wikipedia articles with inappropriate or policy violating images does not justify the addition of inappropriate (number, size, positioning) images in this article. Septate ( talk) please do not reinsert this picture without WP:CONSENSUS. Thanks JimRenge ( talk) 12:16, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Septate ( talk could you please explain why you insist on substituting 2013 official statistical data from Statistisk Norway with an older 2010 estimate from Pew Research. Thanks JimRenge ( talk) 14:36, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
@ JimRenge, looks like you have a particular bias for Islam. Take the example of Church of Norway. Statistics Norway states that 75.2% of Norway's population is member of Church of Norway. But the article gives 77% figure and no one has challenged it. Can you explain this? Similarly the image of church also looks oversize to me. Should we remove it also?Further more, the source I gave is 2012 estimate by pew research. The difference in numbers given by two sources is because statistics Norway only estimates the number of those Muslims which are members of a particular Islamic congregation. Septate ( talk) 05:58, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't have time right now to incorporate into the article but http://folk.uio.no/leirvik/tekster/YME5.pdf seems to contain a lot of useful info about Muslims (and religion in general) in Norway in 2013. -- Erp ( talk) 04:27, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
I have two concerns about the new pie chart. One is that it is drawing data (the stats for Church of Norway, stats for non-affiliated, stats for other religions and life stances) that though they are from the same source may not be the same time frame (I will note it does not state where the CoN or non-affiliated data is coming from). The other concern is the merging of the Church of Norway into the general Christian slice. I would separate that slice into Church of Norway, Roman Catholic, and other Christian. I'm going to re-check data and also re-check the table later in the article. -- Erp ( talk) 05:23, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
The 2014 numbers are now out; however, the Catholic bishop of Oslo has been charged with fraud in regards to the Catholic membership numbers (for 2014: 140,109) and in particular adding up to 65,000 people without their consent over the last few years (according to Newsweek the diocese has admitted to scouring the phone books and adding people with Polish names to the membership list). This does of course add to the explanations on how the number of Catholics more than doubled since 2010 (when it was 66,972). But it does leave us in a bind on how and when to report the numbers that we now know are likely bogus. We can footnote, we can wait for the bureau to put in corrected numbers. Thoughts? -- Erp ( talk) 23:50, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
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