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Christianity section is too long and needs to be briefed. My knowledge is too limited for the same. therefore i have concised as for a general article. i request editors to take notice of it. pls discuss here before any reverts to it. thanks. Arjun ( talk) 14:08, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Does the table of Church names and population suit this page when population of neither Muslim sects nor Hindu castes are tabulated? I think its undue. For the same reason, i have removed the table. If someone is making reverts, pls note your reason below. Thanks . Arjun 024 05:52, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Major work has to be done on that section; the section largely talks about Syrian Christians/Nasranis. Improvement required. 18:38, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
The last paragraph from A Sreedhara Menon's A Survey of Kerala History, Chapter VI The Confluence of Religions , Pg 111-112.
"In the course of centuries, Islam made progress as a religion and today the Muslims are, next to Hindus, numerically the most important community in the State. The progress of the faith was, in many respects, due to the tolerant policy pursued by the rulers of Kerala and this was particularly so in North Kerala where the Zamorins of Calicut patronized Islam in in all ways.The Muslims were a major power to be reckoned with in Calicut in the days when the Zamorins were in power. They commanded the confidence of the rulers and had great influence in their court. The Muslims were given special and favoured treatment by the Zamorins for reasons of enlightened self interest. The Zamorin's navy was manned by Muslims. The heroic exploits of the Kunjali Marakkars, the Admirals of the Zamorins, in their fight against Portuguese expansionism form an important chapter in the history of Kerala. The Muslims of Malabar, otherwise called the Mappilas, were so intensely pro-Zamorin that the Zamorins had even issued an order that in order to get more male members of the families of Hindu fishermen should be brought up ans Muslims. This, perhaps accounts for the relatively high proportion of Muslims in the population of the Kozhikode and Malappuram districts of Kerala."
Source: Pg 111-112, A short survey of Kerala History, A. Sreedhara Menon, Vishwanathan Publishers 2006 Clearly, its not an out of context quote when cited as the reason for concentration of Muslims in Kozhikode and Malappuram districts of Kerala. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmkuttiady ( talk • contribs) 16:46, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
I changed the following sentence
Certain Catholic Churches in Kerala have offered hefty sums of cash to Catholic families that have large families to increase their religious population.
to
Some Catholic parishes in Kerala support large families with free schooling, medical care and cash bonuses to increase their religious population.
Reasons: 1. Well...that's actually what the source says. It's not just money but also schooling and medical care. 2. it's one parish (according to the second source) and not churches (it's not the same!). 3. The expression hefty sums do not show up in the sources. And even if it were, it's a not neutral expression. Better to just state the amount involved (as we do). That should suffice. Gugganij ( talk) 00:09, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
I think the categorization as Indian Religion or Abrahamic Religion ia totally unnecessary. This causes religions such as Buddhism, Jainism, Judaism, etc who have no significant population in Kerala get more importance than Islam and Christianity which are the second and third largest religions respectively. I suggest to avoid categorizing religions as Indian or Abrahamic. The religions should be mentioned in the article in the order of its population. That is: Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Jainism, Buddhism, Judaism. It will be a fairer treatment. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.90.167.244 ( talk) 07:10, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
@ Snowcream: You have removed material cited by a book which I think is Secular Kerala. While the material could be reworded, are you saying that the material is wrongly quoted? Or the book is not WP:RS? You mentioned WP:OR. This is not intuitively obvious. In what way was it WP:OR? Student7 ( talk) 19:48, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
All articles are supposed to be about current state unless they are named "History." History should be a separate subsection. Student7 ( talk) 20:56, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
Distribution of population according to religion by district
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Table : Distribution of population according to religion by district (The statistics are according to the First Report on Religion Data released by the Registrar General and Census Commissioner of India, 2004). [1]
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Someone added 2011 district details to the main Kerala page, I've since moved it to this page replacing this old table which I put above for reference. - Ugog Nizdast ( talk) 05:23, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
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This article has adequate content, images and References. So, it deserves a B-class rating. I would be happy if the references were properly formatted. Kensplanet T C 07:33, 9 September 2009 (UTC) |
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In the article Christianity and Islam are placed after Judaism and Jainism. What is the order followed here? If you sort the religions according to population, Hinduism should be followed by Islam and then by Christianity. On the other hand if you are following alphabetical order,Buddhism should be in the first place followed by Christianity. In either manner the current order of sorting is unacceptable. - Thazhemon ( talk) 02:16, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
<<However, the story of St Thomas coming to India in 52 CE has been contradicted by a recorded archives than some recent political publishers. There was a Thomas who came, but he was a Syrian merchant, Thomas of Cana, and this happened around 500 or 600 CE. In-depth historical research on this topic can be found in the book [32] by a Canadian author and a former Christian monk Ishwar Sharan and research conducted and published by Madras Courier.[33]>>
These lines along with references provided are of the adamant critique of Christianity Ishwar Sharan who is claimed to be a Hindu monk. If there is anything that violates the existing traditions of Christianity in Kerala it should come from a very secular source. As Ishwar Sharan who belongs to another religion (here a claimed Hindu monk) is a devout critique of Christianity doesn't classify as a secular source, hence it should be deemed as a Right-wing(Hindutva) propaganda tool. Therefore the aforementioned sentence along with its source should be immediately removed from the Wikipedia page "Religion in Kerala".
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Christianity section is too long and needs to be briefed. My knowledge is too limited for the same. therefore i have concised as for a general article. i request editors to take notice of it. pls discuss here before any reverts to it. thanks. Arjun ( talk) 14:08, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Does the table of Church names and population suit this page when population of neither Muslim sects nor Hindu castes are tabulated? I think its undue. For the same reason, i have removed the table. If someone is making reverts, pls note your reason below. Thanks . Arjun 024 05:52, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Major work has to be done on that section; the section largely talks about Syrian Christians/Nasranis. Improvement required. 18:38, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
The last paragraph from A Sreedhara Menon's A Survey of Kerala History, Chapter VI The Confluence of Religions , Pg 111-112.
"In the course of centuries, Islam made progress as a religion and today the Muslims are, next to Hindus, numerically the most important community in the State. The progress of the faith was, in many respects, due to the tolerant policy pursued by the rulers of Kerala and this was particularly so in North Kerala where the Zamorins of Calicut patronized Islam in in all ways.The Muslims were a major power to be reckoned with in Calicut in the days when the Zamorins were in power. They commanded the confidence of the rulers and had great influence in their court. The Muslims were given special and favoured treatment by the Zamorins for reasons of enlightened self interest. The Zamorin's navy was manned by Muslims. The heroic exploits of the Kunjali Marakkars, the Admirals of the Zamorins, in their fight against Portuguese expansionism form an important chapter in the history of Kerala. The Muslims of Malabar, otherwise called the Mappilas, were so intensely pro-Zamorin that the Zamorins had even issued an order that in order to get more male members of the families of Hindu fishermen should be brought up ans Muslims. This, perhaps accounts for the relatively high proportion of Muslims in the population of the Kozhikode and Malappuram districts of Kerala."
Source: Pg 111-112, A short survey of Kerala History, A. Sreedhara Menon, Vishwanathan Publishers 2006 Clearly, its not an out of context quote when cited as the reason for concentration of Muslims in Kozhikode and Malappuram districts of Kerala. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmkuttiady ( talk • contribs) 16:46, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
I changed the following sentence
Certain Catholic Churches in Kerala have offered hefty sums of cash to Catholic families that have large families to increase their religious population.
to
Some Catholic parishes in Kerala support large families with free schooling, medical care and cash bonuses to increase their religious population.
Reasons: 1. Well...that's actually what the source says. It's not just money but also schooling and medical care. 2. it's one parish (according to the second source) and not churches (it's not the same!). 3. The expression hefty sums do not show up in the sources. And even if it were, it's a not neutral expression. Better to just state the amount involved (as we do). That should suffice. Gugganij ( talk) 00:09, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
I think the categorization as Indian Religion or Abrahamic Religion ia totally unnecessary. This causes religions such as Buddhism, Jainism, Judaism, etc who have no significant population in Kerala get more importance than Islam and Christianity which are the second and third largest religions respectively. I suggest to avoid categorizing religions as Indian or Abrahamic. The religions should be mentioned in the article in the order of its population. That is: Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Jainism, Buddhism, Judaism. It will be a fairer treatment. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.90.167.244 ( talk) 07:10, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
@ Snowcream: You have removed material cited by a book which I think is Secular Kerala. While the material could be reworded, are you saying that the material is wrongly quoted? Or the book is not WP:RS? You mentioned WP:OR. This is not intuitively obvious. In what way was it WP:OR? Student7 ( talk) 19:48, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
All articles are supposed to be about current state unless they are named "History." History should be a separate subsection. Student7 ( talk) 20:56, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
Distribution of population according to religion by district
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Table : Distribution of population according to religion by district (The statistics are according to the First Report on Religion Data released by the Registrar General and Census Commissioner of India, 2004). [1]
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Someone added 2011 district details to the main Kerala page, I've since moved it to this page replacing this old table which I put above for reference. - Ugog Nizdast ( talk) 05:23, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
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This article has adequate content, images and References. So, it deserves a B-class rating. I would be happy if the references were properly formatted. Kensplanet T C 07:33, 9 September 2009 (UTC) |
Substituted at 01:15, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
In the article Christianity and Islam are placed after Judaism and Jainism. What is the order followed here? If you sort the religions according to population, Hinduism should be followed by Islam and then by Christianity. On the other hand if you are following alphabetical order,Buddhism should be in the first place followed by Christianity. In either manner the current order of sorting is unacceptable. - Thazhemon ( talk) 02:16, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
<<However, the story of St Thomas coming to India in 52 CE has been contradicted by a recorded archives than some recent political publishers. There was a Thomas who came, but he was a Syrian merchant, Thomas of Cana, and this happened around 500 or 600 CE. In-depth historical research on this topic can be found in the book [32] by a Canadian author and a former Christian monk Ishwar Sharan and research conducted and published by Madras Courier.[33]>>
These lines along with references provided are of the adamant critique of Christianity Ishwar Sharan who is claimed to be a Hindu monk. If there is anything that violates the existing traditions of Christianity in Kerala it should come from a very secular source. As Ishwar Sharan who belongs to another religion (here a claimed Hindu monk) is a devout critique of Christianity doesn't classify as a secular source, hence it should be deemed as a Right-wing(Hindutva) propaganda tool. Therefore the aforementioned sentence along with its source should be immediately removed from the Wikipedia page "Religion in Kerala".
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I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Religion in Kerala's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "ht":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 23:18, 21 May 2021 (UTC)