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"Religion in Europe spans the approximately 50,000 years of human settlement in the continent of Europe, from the earliest prehistoric spirituality to later pagan religions, such as the Ancient Greek, Roman and Nordic faiths, to the spread of the Abrahamic religions. Europe has a rich and diverse religious history, and its various faiths have been a major influence on European art, culture, philosophy and law. In modern times, the overwhelming majority (over 95%) of Europeans are Christian, of which nearly half are Catholic; the second-largest religion in Europe is Judaism, followed by Islam. Europe also has the largest number and proportion of irreligious, agnostic and atheistic people in the Western world, with a particularly high number of self-described non-religious people in Scandinavia."
Well, this introduction is liberally salted with nonsense. There's no way that Judaism is more prevalent than Islam for example - regardless of how you define Europe. And 'over 95%' Christian? No way. I'll fix when I've got a minute.-- Nydas 17:27, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Not a note on the Republic of Kalmykia in the Russian Federation, Europe's only Buddhist nation? I'll add a small section later. -- Walshicus 14:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
84% Catholic in 2001 Census [2] and less then 19% weekly attendance according to the Church. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.26.188.44 ( talk • contribs) 18:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
My editing is such that a sentence is sourced by the reference(-s) directly behind it. Please follow the same pattern. I assume that sentences without a references directly behind them are unsourced and hence suspect. Thanks in advance. Andries 02:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC) Professional homepage of the editor of the book that I used See Hans Knippenberg. Andries 03:01, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Muslims ruled Spain (not just Andalusia) and some of Southern France for nearly 750 years. Is this not considered a part of European "tradition"? Indeed the Islamic influence is still very prevalent in many regions of Spain, particularly Andalusia as mentioned. Perhaps a slight wording change is in order?
Though Muslims did conquer far into Europe in the 8th century, they didn't "rule Spain and some of Southern France for nearly 750 years." They quickly lost most of their more northern territories--Barcelona, for instance, was reconquered by the Franks less than a century after it had fallen to the Moors. Saragossa was in Moorish hands for about 400 years. Only Andalusia was under Moorish control for anything approaching 750 years.
65.213.77.129 ( talk) 21:34, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I see there is an Islam in Europe article but not a Christianity in Europe article. This is an article on Religion in Europe not Christianity in Europe. I shall make some sort of a start on Christianity in Europe. Please any one else contribute. thanks. Vexorg 01:47, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
...is quite awful (no offense intended to the maker). I suggest its temporary removal. -- PaxEquilibrium ( talk) 00:21, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
has anyone else realised that none of the percentages in her table add up. some of them are even 10% off the 100 required. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.166.239 ( talk) 01:21, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
I've commented on the apparent bias here. Tomer talk 04:59, 12 January 2009 (UTC) I think it should be mentioned that church attendance increases considrably during July & August (especially in France & Germany).The cause has been found to be people praying for another Hurricane Katrina. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.37.254.196 ( talk) 15:08, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Why is Turkey even included in this article? It's not Europe! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.64.126.251 ( talk) 13:08, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Exactly! Turkey is not even in Europe, both geographically, ESPECIALLY culturally - not in Europe or European. They are Asian and in the continent of Asia. They should get their cultural, historic and geographical facts straight! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.255.190.62 ( talk) 15:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
http://europa.eu/abc/european_countries/index_en.htm http://www.coe.int/t/dc/files/presidences-sessions-cm/presidences/Turkey/default_en.asp thats what i wanted to say! ;) i am Polish, and Turkey is part of European Community as much as Poland ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.176.2 ( talk) 18:05, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Any ideas on what to do with the layout of this article? The plethora of graphics results in images of mosques being positioned next to Judaism. Should we, for instance, reduce the number of graphics, and/or make a gallery across the page for the statistics?-- Boson ( talk) 06:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
User "Ruud64" has removed the map shown at the right. I think it is a useful map, but agree that it needs references to back it up. It appears to be accurate and supports most of the information found in the article. Can the user (or anyone else) provide an information on how he or she made the map? --Thorwald
I am still confused why this map has been continually removed without discussion from this article. It may have some flaws, but once religion map situation 1950 en.png discovered, they are corrected and the map is all the better for it. The sources for the map appear to come from the individual country articles. I plan to return this map to the article, unless someone can provide a clear reason why not to. -- Thorwald ( talk) 06:35, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
There is no problem with this map. Ruud64 appears to be removing it purely based on WP:IDONTLIKEIT without even explaining why it is they don't like it. It is extremely easy to provide references for any given detail on the map. Of course, since the map has 1,473 × 1,198 pixels, it isn't reasonable to ask for "references" for the entire map, i.e. potentially 1,764,654 references to substantiate the colour of each pixel. Say which bit of the map you find dubious, and we'll focus on presenting references for that (or fix the map if it turns out it has some minor mistake). -- dab (𒁳) 10:33, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
I have compiled a list of subnational detail shown on the map,
here. Now please point out which items exactly you are disputing so we can actually have a discussion. Also, I suggest this discussion should take place at
commons:File_talk:Europe_religion_map.png.
Now this is an overview map shown as a thumbnail. Of course the real situation is infinitely more complicated. It cannot be the purpose of this map to show
this level of detail. Of course the image needs references. Most features of the map are so straightforward it can be left as an exercise to the student to find the references. E.g. "Poland has a Roman Catholic majority". Go to
Religion in Poland. Nobody in their right mind would dispute this. The same goes for most of the area shown in the map. It will only make sense to focus on the more difficult detail. Case in point, nobody has yet asked for a reference for individual pixels at
File:Observable Universe with Measurements 01.png. This is because it is intended as an overview map giving a visual help to grasping the overall situation. Whether the Hungarian minority in Transylvania should be shown five pixels more to the left or the right isn't a constructive discussion relative to the intended scope of the map. --
dab
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11:27, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
As there is no proper (up to date) source for this map it should not be used. Ruud64 ( talk) 21:49, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
User:Grsd: You can remove the map in question, but you don't get to call adding it, "vandalism". I don't think we have actually come to a consensus on whether or not this map should be included in this article. I, for one, think the map is relevant and should be included . . . but I won't add (or remove) it until we can all agree on its status. -- Thorwald ( talk) 21:00, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Arg! We need to resolve this issue. I was just discussing with someone the historical areas of Catholicism in Europe and wanted to point to this article as a starting place. Unforuntately, since this issue hasn't been resolved, there is no such map to point to in the main article. I ended up providing the URL to this disputed map. Please, can we figure something out here. This map has all the potential to be very informative and relevant to this article. Cheers! -- Thorwald ( talk) 22:21, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
In addition to the discussion on the religion in europe map , I found the discussion below , interesting enough to add... Ruud64 ( talk) 22:20, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Can someone make a new map mentioning the percentage of atheists in the map?--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 12:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Please stop making WP:POINTy edits here. Mathsci (talk) 19:53, 7 April 2010 (UTC) I'm just asking if someone could make a map for the atheist percentage.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 20:07, 7 April 2010 (UTC) I seriously fail to see what's so wrong about Zjarri's request, and frankly, I'd like to voice the same concern. Namely, that some countries- like Czechia, Albania and Estonia- are if anything, primarily atheistic, and yet this is not noted clearly in the section and the map can thus be misleading. I know that it is noted elsewhere, but the view, for example, of Albania as a "Muslim country" is incorrect (even if you're going to say "historically Muslim" its wrong, Albania was mostly Catholic for a long time and Catholicism's roots go much deeper), and it, as well as others, are advanced by such a map. --Yalens (talk) 16:09, 16 April 2010 (UTC) There is nothing wrong, except that this isn't the place to request maps. The proper place is at Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Map_workshop. --dab (𒁳) 13:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Check the god damn source :) and stop reverting to small "g". Stefan Udrea ( talk) 19:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
"Laws regarding same-sex partnerships in Europe"
From when Poland is 'yellow' ? There's no proposal for same-sex partnership in Poland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.168.69.225 ( talk) 01:00, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Somebody has posted this table:
1910 | 2010 | % change (1910-2010) |
% change (2000-2010) | |||
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Adherents | % | Adherents | % | |||
Total Population | 427,154,000 | 100.0 | 730,478,000 | 100.0 | +0.54 | +0.03 |
Christians | 403,687,000 | 94.5 | 585,739,000 | 80.2 | +0.37 | +0.23 |
- Catholics | 189,056,000 | 44.2 | 275,820,000 | 37.7 | +0.38 | +0.07 |
- Orthodox | 111,391,000 | 26.0 | 201,197,000 | 27.5 | +0.59 | +0.35 |
- Protestants | 64,557,000 | 15.1 | 67,703,000 | 9.2 | +0.05 | -0.29 |
- Anglicans | 26,384,000 | 6.1 | 26,219,000 | 3.5 | -0.01 | -0.04 |
- Independents | 87,200 | 0.0 | 10,703,000 | 1.4 | +4.93 | +1.76 |
- Marginals | 115,000 | 94.5 | 4,212,000 | 0.5 | +3.67 | +1.08 |
Agnostics | 1,642,000 | 0.4 | 81,027,000 | 11.1 | +3.98 | -1.30 |
Muslims | 10,021,000 | 2.3 | 41,082,000 | 5.6 | +1.42 | +0.62 |
Atheists | 219,000 | 0.1 | 15,166,000 | 2.1 | +4.33 | -1.68 |
Jews | 10,460,000 | 2.4 | 1,844,000 | 0.3 | -1.72 | -0.25 |
Buddhists | 428,000 | 0.1 | 1,833,000 | 0.3 | +1.47 | +0.64 |
Pagans | 662,000 | 0.2 | 1,144,000 | +0.2 | +0.55 | -0.44 |
Hindus | 65 | 0.0 | 1,008,000 | 0.1 | +10.13 | +1.47 |
Sikhs | 0 | 0.0 | 510,000 | 0.1 | +11.45 | +2.31 |
Chinese folk | 0 | 0.0 | 416,000 | 0.1 | +11.22 | +1.89 |
New Religionists | 24,800 | 0.0 | 377,000 | 0.1 | +2.76 | +0.66 |
Spiritists | 10,600 | 0.0 | 146,000 | 0.0 | +2.66 | +0.71 |
Bahai's | 220 | 0.0 | 144,000 | 0.0 | +6.70 | +0.72 |
Jains | 0 | 0.0 | 18,900 | 0.0 | +7.84 | +1.62 |
Confucianists | 0 | 0.0 | 18,600 | 0.0 | +7.82 | +0.61 |
Zoroastrians | 0 | 0.0 | 5,800 | 0.0 | +6.57 | +0.72 |
I have removed it because the source is not neutral. Of you feel this source can add something to the article, please discus here, before putting it back.
Nico (
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Dear Grsd roughly 77% of the entire Russian population live in the European Russia so Siberia is not resulting in higher number of Christians :) and since your talking about academic sources why you removed the source of britannica.-- Jobas ( talk) 21:30, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
The recently added population figures constitute original research, since they are not included in the cited source. If included, it would also be necessary to specify sampling error etc., which requires more than simple arithmetic; so we would need a source from a reliable statistical source. They also prevent table sorting from functioning correctly. -- Boson ( talk) 21:18, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
The ancient religions of Europe need to be explained in detail. Asatru is one such religion from those times. Regdetails ( talk) 02:09, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
I just think it's rather odd, the prominence of atheism. NOT that it 'is' in some countries- rather, the distribution. Like, the Czech Republic is incredibly irreligious. But it's right next to Poland, which is incredibly Religious. And next to Slovakia, which seems to be pretty religious. Plus, isn't Bavaria one of the more religious parts of Germany? That pretty much sums it up- Why are SOME countries considerably less religious than others? IE, why is it not more balanced? ESPECIALLY in bordering nations- and SUPER ESPECIALLY between two countries that were the SAME country until 20 years ago... Yes. Explanations would be nice. Masternachos ( talk) 07:14, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Copied from Hayden120 talk page
Several misleading and unsourced maps have been a topic for at least a year or so. Currently a few ANONs (or is it just one ?) keeps reinserting this map So to repeat hereby my request for quality data and once again a repeat of a 2009 !!! remark - not mine though .. The lack of sourcing is concerning -just like article text, maps don't get a free pass on WP:V and WP:RS. To add to all the other listed mistakes the recent 2011 Czech census comes up with 10 % catholics, in some areas less then 3 % so showing this country as catholic is rubbish. Grsd ( talk) 21:54, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
user:Vexorg removed the caption, claiming it was biased or selective statistics. I think a figure should have a caption summarizing the main things that can be concluded from it. The caption does so by listing the countries that are most and the countries that are less religious. It does not list all countries but that i because it is a summary and this does not make it "selective statistics". Also it is the one who removes wants to remove content that should give an explanation for that before doing so. It is actually not up to me to go to the talk page before reverting any unexplained removal of content. Nico ( talk) 12:40, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Religion in Europe's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "CBS":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 15:34, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
This article would seem the natural place to find demographically based projections about religion in Europe in the future. Or at the very least a link to such. Disappointing. 124.148.190.234 ( talk) 21:08, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Graph shows that 26% of Europe is Irreligious, but Irreligious only means that the person is not a current member of a religion or that perhaps they believe in an unrecognised religion. Irreligious is not the same thing as atheist or agnostic, but there are only two headings under Irreligion, those being only atheism and agnosticism. This is totally misleading as the sum impression is that all these 26% irreligious are either atheists or agnostics when that is certainly not the case. Would it be too much for Wikipedia editors to make the article more acurate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.91.70.120 ( talk) 18:53, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Excuse me, but why is the Vatican mysteriously excluded from all parts of this map? It is not even highlighted in Italy. There is just a mysterious hole where it should be, which would seem to indicate that no one believes in God In that city-state of the world. How could this be such a glaring oversight? To me, that indicates that this map is poorly researched, and incomplete. 172.0.92.190 ( talk) 18:58, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
When so many statistics are available it is not ok to mention just the one with the highest religiosity in the lead. Either do not mention any stats (preferable), or mention the one from the best source (Eurostat) Nico ( talk) 13:49, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
It is better this way. No statistics in the lead and include the 2012 Eurostat later in the article together with the rest. The different eurostat statistics conflict with each other, how can 72% be Christian if only 52% believe in a god, but that just shows that such researches are inherently variable and we should trust none of them :) Nico ( talk) 09:08, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
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Hello, i guess that the research included Turkey in Europe for some inexplicable reason but we all know that it's not. Is there a reason why an encyclopedia article places Turkey in Europe? Thank you Onoufrios d ( talk) 12:42, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure why there is a mismatch between the figures of the table and the segment/bin under which countries are listed. For example (assumin the table is correct), Hungary is incorrectly listed under the 30-39% segment in the map caption - however the corresponding table showed 23% for Hungary, thus placing it correctly in the 20-29% segment. The other countries have a similar error. Is this somehow on purpose because different data is the basis for the map, or is it a mistake? 94.21.211.217 ( talk) 14:54, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
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"Religion in Europe spans the approximately 50,000 years of human settlement in the continent of Europe, from the earliest prehistoric spirituality to later pagan religions, such as the Ancient Greek, Roman and Nordic faiths, to the spread of the Abrahamic religions. Europe has a rich and diverse religious history, and its various faiths have been a major influence on European art, culture, philosophy and law. In modern times, the overwhelming majority (over 95%) of Europeans are Christian, of which nearly half are Catholic; the second-largest religion in Europe is Judaism, followed by Islam. Europe also has the largest number and proportion of irreligious, agnostic and atheistic people in the Western world, with a particularly high number of self-described non-religious people in Scandinavia."
Well, this introduction is liberally salted with nonsense. There's no way that Judaism is more prevalent than Islam for example - regardless of how you define Europe. And 'over 95%' Christian? No way. I'll fix when I've got a minute.-- Nydas 17:27, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Not a note on the Republic of Kalmykia in the Russian Federation, Europe's only Buddhist nation? I'll add a small section later. -- Walshicus 14:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
84% Catholic in 2001 Census [2] and less then 19% weekly attendance according to the Church. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.26.188.44 ( talk • contribs) 18:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
My editing is such that a sentence is sourced by the reference(-s) directly behind it. Please follow the same pattern. I assume that sentences without a references directly behind them are unsourced and hence suspect. Thanks in advance. Andries 02:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC) Professional homepage of the editor of the book that I used See Hans Knippenberg. Andries 03:01, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Muslims ruled Spain (not just Andalusia) and some of Southern France for nearly 750 years. Is this not considered a part of European "tradition"? Indeed the Islamic influence is still very prevalent in many regions of Spain, particularly Andalusia as mentioned. Perhaps a slight wording change is in order?
Though Muslims did conquer far into Europe in the 8th century, they didn't "rule Spain and some of Southern France for nearly 750 years." They quickly lost most of their more northern territories--Barcelona, for instance, was reconquered by the Franks less than a century after it had fallen to the Moors. Saragossa was in Moorish hands for about 400 years. Only Andalusia was under Moorish control for anything approaching 750 years.
65.213.77.129 ( talk) 21:34, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I see there is an Islam in Europe article but not a Christianity in Europe article. This is an article on Religion in Europe not Christianity in Europe. I shall make some sort of a start on Christianity in Europe. Please any one else contribute. thanks. Vexorg 01:47, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
...is quite awful (no offense intended to the maker). I suggest its temporary removal. -- PaxEquilibrium ( talk) 00:21, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
has anyone else realised that none of the percentages in her table add up. some of them are even 10% off the 100 required. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.166.239 ( talk) 01:21, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
I've commented on the apparent bias here. Tomer talk 04:59, 12 January 2009 (UTC) I think it should be mentioned that church attendance increases considrably during July & August (especially in France & Germany).The cause has been found to be people praying for another Hurricane Katrina. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.37.254.196 ( talk) 15:08, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Why is Turkey even included in this article? It's not Europe! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.64.126.251 ( talk) 13:08, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Exactly! Turkey is not even in Europe, both geographically, ESPECIALLY culturally - not in Europe or European. They are Asian and in the continent of Asia. They should get their cultural, historic and geographical facts straight! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.255.190.62 ( talk) 15:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
http://europa.eu/abc/european_countries/index_en.htm http://www.coe.int/t/dc/files/presidences-sessions-cm/presidences/Turkey/default_en.asp thats what i wanted to say! ;) i am Polish, and Turkey is part of European Community as much as Poland ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.176.2 ( talk) 18:05, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Any ideas on what to do with the layout of this article? The plethora of graphics results in images of mosques being positioned next to Judaism. Should we, for instance, reduce the number of graphics, and/or make a gallery across the page for the statistics?-- Boson ( talk) 06:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
User "Ruud64" has removed the map shown at the right. I think it is a useful map, but agree that it needs references to back it up. It appears to be accurate and supports most of the information found in the article. Can the user (or anyone else) provide an information on how he or she made the map? --Thorwald
I am still confused why this map has been continually removed without discussion from this article. It may have some flaws, but once religion map situation 1950 en.png discovered, they are corrected and the map is all the better for it. The sources for the map appear to come from the individual country articles. I plan to return this map to the article, unless someone can provide a clear reason why not to. -- Thorwald ( talk) 06:35, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
There is no problem with this map. Ruud64 appears to be removing it purely based on WP:IDONTLIKEIT without even explaining why it is they don't like it. It is extremely easy to provide references for any given detail on the map. Of course, since the map has 1,473 × 1,198 pixels, it isn't reasonable to ask for "references" for the entire map, i.e. potentially 1,764,654 references to substantiate the colour of each pixel. Say which bit of the map you find dubious, and we'll focus on presenting references for that (or fix the map if it turns out it has some minor mistake). -- dab (𒁳) 10:33, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
I have compiled a list of subnational detail shown on the map,
here. Now please point out which items exactly you are disputing so we can actually have a discussion. Also, I suggest this discussion should take place at
commons:File_talk:Europe_religion_map.png.
Now this is an overview map shown as a thumbnail. Of course the real situation is infinitely more complicated. It cannot be the purpose of this map to show
this level of detail. Of course the image needs references. Most features of the map are so straightforward it can be left as an exercise to the student to find the references. E.g. "Poland has a Roman Catholic majority". Go to
Religion in Poland. Nobody in their right mind would dispute this. The same goes for most of the area shown in the map. It will only make sense to focus on the more difficult detail. Case in point, nobody has yet asked for a reference for individual pixels at
File:Observable Universe with Measurements 01.png. This is because it is intended as an overview map giving a visual help to grasping the overall situation. Whether the Hungarian minority in Transylvania should be shown five pixels more to the left or the right isn't a constructive discussion relative to the intended scope of the map. --
dab
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11:27, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
As there is no proper (up to date) source for this map it should not be used. Ruud64 ( talk) 21:49, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
User:Grsd: You can remove the map in question, but you don't get to call adding it, "vandalism". I don't think we have actually come to a consensus on whether or not this map should be included in this article. I, for one, think the map is relevant and should be included . . . but I won't add (or remove) it until we can all agree on its status. -- Thorwald ( talk) 21:00, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Arg! We need to resolve this issue. I was just discussing with someone the historical areas of Catholicism in Europe and wanted to point to this article as a starting place. Unforuntately, since this issue hasn't been resolved, there is no such map to point to in the main article. I ended up providing the URL to this disputed map. Please, can we figure something out here. This map has all the potential to be very informative and relevant to this article. Cheers! -- Thorwald ( talk) 22:21, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
In addition to the discussion on the religion in europe map , I found the discussion below , interesting enough to add... Ruud64 ( talk) 22:20, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Can someone make a new map mentioning the percentage of atheists in the map?--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 12:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Please stop making WP:POINTy edits here. Mathsci (talk) 19:53, 7 April 2010 (UTC) I'm just asking if someone could make a map for the atheist percentage.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 20:07, 7 April 2010 (UTC) I seriously fail to see what's so wrong about Zjarri's request, and frankly, I'd like to voice the same concern. Namely, that some countries- like Czechia, Albania and Estonia- are if anything, primarily atheistic, and yet this is not noted clearly in the section and the map can thus be misleading. I know that it is noted elsewhere, but the view, for example, of Albania as a "Muslim country" is incorrect (even if you're going to say "historically Muslim" its wrong, Albania was mostly Catholic for a long time and Catholicism's roots go much deeper), and it, as well as others, are advanced by such a map. --Yalens (talk) 16:09, 16 April 2010 (UTC) There is nothing wrong, except that this isn't the place to request maps. The proper place is at Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Map_workshop. --dab (𒁳) 13:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Check the god damn source :) and stop reverting to small "g". Stefan Udrea ( talk) 19:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
"Laws regarding same-sex partnerships in Europe"
From when Poland is 'yellow' ? There's no proposal for same-sex partnership in Poland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.168.69.225 ( talk) 01:00, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Somebody has posted this table:
1910 | 2010 | % change (1910-2010) |
% change (2000-2010) | |||
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Adherents | % | Adherents | % | |||
Total Population | 427,154,000 | 100.0 | 730,478,000 | 100.0 | +0.54 | +0.03 |
Christians | 403,687,000 | 94.5 | 585,739,000 | 80.2 | +0.37 | +0.23 |
- Catholics | 189,056,000 | 44.2 | 275,820,000 | 37.7 | +0.38 | +0.07 |
- Orthodox | 111,391,000 | 26.0 | 201,197,000 | 27.5 | +0.59 | +0.35 |
- Protestants | 64,557,000 | 15.1 | 67,703,000 | 9.2 | +0.05 | -0.29 |
- Anglicans | 26,384,000 | 6.1 | 26,219,000 | 3.5 | -0.01 | -0.04 |
- Independents | 87,200 | 0.0 | 10,703,000 | 1.4 | +4.93 | +1.76 |
- Marginals | 115,000 | 94.5 | 4,212,000 | 0.5 | +3.67 | +1.08 |
Agnostics | 1,642,000 | 0.4 | 81,027,000 | 11.1 | +3.98 | -1.30 |
Muslims | 10,021,000 | 2.3 | 41,082,000 | 5.6 | +1.42 | +0.62 |
Atheists | 219,000 | 0.1 | 15,166,000 | 2.1 | +4.33 | -1.68 |
Jews | 10,460,000 | 2.4 | 1,844,000 | 0.3 | -1.72 | -0.25 |
Buddhists | 428,000 | 0.1 | 1,833,000 | 0.3 | +1.47 | +0.64 |
Pagans | 662,000 | 0.2 | 1,144,000 | +0.2 | +0.55 | -0.44 |
Hindus | 65 | 0.0 | 1,008,000 | 0.1 | +10.13 | +1.47 |
Sikhs | 0 | 0.0 | 510,000 | 0.1 | +11.45 | +2.31 |
Chinese folk | 0 | 0.0 | 416,000 | 0.1 | +11.22 | +1.89 |
New Religionists | 24,800 | 0.0 | 377,000 | 0.1 | +2.76 | +0.66 |
Spiritists | 10,600 | 0.0 | 146,000 | 0.0 | +2.66 | +0.71 |
Bahai's | 220 | 0.0 | 144,000 | 0.0 | +6.70 | +0.72 |
Jains | 0 | 0.0 | 18,900 | 0.0 | +7.84 | +1.62 |
Confucianists | 0 | 0.0 | 18,600 | 0.0 | +7.82 | +0.61 |
Zoroastrians | 0 | 0.0 | 5,800 | 0.0 | +6.57 | +0.72 |
I have removed it because the source is not neutral. Of you feel this source can add something to the article, please discus here, before putting it back.
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Dear Grsd roughly 77% of the entire Russian population live in the European Russia so Siberia is not resulting in higher number of Christians :) and since your talking about academic sources why you removed the source of britannica.-- Jobas ( talk) 21:30, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
The recently added population figures constitute original research, since they are not included in the cited source. If included, it would also be necessary to specify sampling error etc., which requires more than simple arithmetic; so we would need a source from a reliable statistical source. They also prevent table sorting from functioning correctly. -- Boson ( talk) 21:18, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
The ancient religions of Europe need to be explained in detail. Asatru is one such religion from those times. Regdetails ( talk) 02:09, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
I just think it's rather odd, the prominence of atheism. NOT that it 'is' in some countries- rather, the distribution. Like, the Czech Republic is incredibly irreligious. But it's right next to Poland, which is incredibly Religious. And next to Slovakia, which seems to be pretty religious. Plus, isn't Bavaria one of the more religious parts of Germany? That pretty much sums it up- Why are SOME countries considerably less religious than others? IE, why is it not more balanced? ESPECIALLY in bordering nations- and SUPER ESPECIALLY between two countries that were the SAME country until 20 years ago... Yes. Explanations would be nice. Masternachos ( talk) 07:14, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
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Several misleading and unsourced maps have been a topic for at least a year or so. Currently a few ANONs (or is it just one ?) keeps reinserting this map So to repeat hereby my request for quality data and once again a repeat of a 2009 !!! remark - not mine though .. The lack of sourcing is concerning -just like article text, maps don't get a free pass on WP:V and WP:RS. To add to all the other listed mistakes the recent 2011 Czech census comes up with 10 % catholics, in some areas less then 3 % so showing this country as catholic is rubbish. Grsd ( talk) 21:54, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
user:Vexorg removed the caption, claiming it was biased or selective statistics. I think a figure should have a caption summarizing the main things that can be concluded from it. The caption does so by listing the countries that are most and the countries that are less religious. It does not list all countries but that i because it is a summary and this does not make it "selective statistics". Also it is the one who removes wants to remove content that should give an explanation for that before doing so. It is actually not up to me to go to the talk page before reverting any unexplained removal of content. Nico ( talk) 12:40, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Religion in Europe's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 15:34, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
This article would seem the natural place to find demographically based projections about religion in Europe in the future. Or at the very least a link to such. Disappointing. 124.148.190.234 ( talk) 21:08, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Graph shows that 26% of Europe is Irreligious, but Irreligious only means that the person is not a current member of a religion or that perhaps they believe in an unrecognised religion. Irreligious is not the same thing as atheist or agnostic, but there are only two headings under Irreligion, those being only atheism and agnosticism. This is totally misleading as the sum impression is that all these 26% irreligious are either atheists or agnostics when that is certainly not the case. Would it be too much for Wikipedia editors to make the article more acurate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.91.70.120 ( talk) 18:53, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Excuse me, but why is the Vatican mysteriously excluded from all parts of this map? It is not even highlighted in Italy. There is just a mysterious hole where it should be, which would seem to indicate that no one believes in God In that city-state of the world. How could this be such a glaring oversight? To me, that indicates that this map is poorly researched, and incomplete. 172.0.92.190 ( talk) 18:58, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
When so many statistics are available it is not ok to mention just the one with the highest religiosity in the lead. Either do not mention any stats (preferable), or mention the one from the best source (Eurostat) Nico ( talk) 13:49, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
It is better this way. No statistics in the lead and include the 2012 Eurostat later in the article together with the rest. The different eurostat statistics conflict with each other, how can 72% be Christian if only 52% believe in a god, but that just shows that such researches are inherently variable and we should trust none of them :) Nico ( talk) 09:08, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
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Hello, i guess that the research included Turkey in Europe for some inexplicable reason but we all know that it's not. Is there a reason why an encyclopedia article places Turkey in Europe? Thank you Onoufrios d ( talk) 12:42, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure why there is a mismatch between the figures of the table and the segment/bin under which countries are listed. For example (assumin the table is correct), Hungary is incorrectly listed under the 30-39% segment in the map caption - however the corresponding table showed 23% for Hungary, thus placing it correctly in the 20-29% segment. The other countries have a similar error. Is this somehow on purpose because different data is the basis for the map, or is it a mistake? 94.21.211.217 ( talk) 14:54, 4 January 2021 (UTC)