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Reinhard Heydrich appears as a primary antagonist in the visual novel and anime Dies Irae. Perhaps that should be added somewhere in a trivia section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.3.71.186 ( talk) 22:34, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Under the subsection "Red Army purges" the author writes: "Sensing an opportunity to strike a blow at both the Soviet Army and Admiral Canaris of Germany's Abwehr, Heydrich decided that the Russian officers should be "unmasked", citing Max Williams' book. However, the Heinz Höhne's bio on Canaris and Peter Padfield's bio on Himmler both detail Heydrich's very close relationship with Canaris. If Williams has evidence to the contrary, it should be stated here, or else mention of Canaris and the Abwehr should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:252:D02:110:4DFB:37B1:69B:159D ( talk) 02:57, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
The NSDAP membership number in particular is an important piece of information, because the lower the number, the earlier the person joined the party. Having a low membership number was a status symbol within the party. The Alter Kämpfer were considered as the hard-core supporters who were members during the initial period of struggle and before the party became popular or won any seats in the Reichstag. Having party number 544,916 meant Heydrich joined relatively late. — Diannaa 🍁 ( talk) 14:54, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
EEng, you are speculating and surmising
– what are you talking about?
E
Eng
22:47, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
EEng, if you really don't know, I am not wasting my time to comment further on it{[snd}}that is, you'll only answer my question if I already know the answer. That's good logic, that is. I'm afraid I really must insist that you explain what
speculating and surmisingyou're talking about.
On 30 May 1931, Heydrich's discharge from the navy became legally binding, and either the following day or on 1 June he joined the Nazi Party in Hamburg. Six weeks later, on 14 July, he joined the SS with the rank of Untersturmführer. His Party number was 544,916 and his SS number was 10,120. Those who joined the Party after Hitler's "seizure of power" in January 1933 faced suspicions from the "Old Fighters" of the Party that they had joined for reasons of career advancement, and not from a true commitment to the National Socialist program. Heydrich's date of enlistment in 1931 was early enough to avoid the charge of careerism, but was not early enough for him to be considered an Old Fighter himself.
give information to the reader as to when he joined the organizations and the timeline of events.[1]. Well, we've got a fine presentation of that now. So I ask again: what purpose do these two numbers serve?
In Czech and sometimes in English [2] [3] [4] [5] and even in Spanish [6], the reign of terror after Heydrich's assassination is referred to as the "Heydrichiáda." (Sometimes the first martial law is called the first Heydrichiáda, the reprisals are the second Heydrichiáda.) I think this is worth mentioning in the article. The terror was so bad that the Czechs coined a new word to describe it. Catrìona ( talk) 05:34, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Maybe we could include portrayals of Heydrich in popular culture. An example is that he appears in “The Man in The High Castle” (show) Hossman42!! ( talk) 07:54, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
this article makes no mention of the 1942 paper Heydrich wrote "The Reich and the Domination of Europe", which formed the basis of the Treaty of Rome. 2.59.114.197 ( talk) 09:59, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
User:Newzild has made the change of "murdered" to "killie" in both this article [7], [8], and on the article Heinrich Himmler. [9] and [10]. Newzild claims pedantic legal reason for this attempot to witewash the reputations of these two Nazis -- but refers to "Murder" as being a "pejorative" in one of his edit summaries, so there might be other reasons.
I will be posting numerous citations for the appropriateness of "murdered" shortly. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 06:27, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Citations confirming the apprpirate use of "murdered" in relation to the millions of people who died in the Holocaust:
The list could go on and on and on and on. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 06:48, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Beyond My Ken: is there a reason why this article uses inconsistent capitalization for this phrase? --- Coffeeand crumbs 09:01, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
The article says he was appointed Untersturmführer on 14 July 1931. The Wikipedia Untersturmführer article states that the was first created in 1934. (It is described as "the first commissioned SS officer rank, equivalent to a second lieutenant in other military organizations".) Either that article or this article is incorrect, as he couldn't have had the rank in 1931 if it wasn't established until 1934.
I know nothing about Nazi paramilitary, which is why I am hesitant to research and resolve this inconsistency myself. Someone should, as it has bearing on the content that follows, about whether subject's induction to the SS was pre- or post-1933. Pre-1933 induction was apparently considered an indicator of Nazi true believer authenticity.-- FeralOink ( talk) 05:07, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
I deleted this passage:
Donald Bloxham is apparently a professor of modern history and has a BLP of his own. The statement about Heydrich, particularly given the vast preponderance of evidence presented in this article alone, indicates that Heydrich had many, many hateful thoughts for the Jews. Is it a misquote of Bloxham? If not, hmmm, well, I guess we could return it to the article. It speaks most eloquently about why scholars do not necessarily draw correct conclusions, without any editorializing needed.
Please replace the passage if you (editors who read this) are certain of the accuracy of the quote, and believe it belongs in the article as an "alternative viewpoint".-- FeralOink ( talk) 00:16, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Antique Rose: I am starting this section to propose that the present infobox image be replaced with the following picture. As mentioned during my previous attempt to edit replace the picture, Heydrich was a mid-level bureaucrat in the Nazi regime, not a head of state or internationally renowned political thinker. Therefore, I see no reason why his infobox picture has to be nearly as large as the one used for FDR's main page. Its vastly disproportionate to his historical significance. Emiya1980 ( talk) 06:20, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
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on october 30 2021. an anonymous user by the name of User talk:85.131.123.7, edited the page saying that "Jewish Historians" ( instead of many historians) considered Heydrich to be the darkest figure, and that seems to be not true, cause I was investigating about them and they are by no means Jewish, so I undid the edit. Common_man_86 ( talk) 22:16, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
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Reinhard Heydrich appears as a primary antagonist in the visual novel and anime Dies Irae. Perhaps that should be added somewhere in a trivia section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.3.71.186 ( talk) 22:34, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Under the subsection "Red Army purges" the author writes: "Sensing an opportunity to strike a blow at both the Soviet Army and Admiral Canaris of Germany's Abwehr, Heydrich decided that the Russian officers should be "unmasked", citing Max Williams' book. However, the Heinz Höhne's bio on Canaris and Peter Padfield's bio on Himmler both detail Heydrich's very close relationship with Canaris. If Williams has evidence to the contrary, it should be stated here, or else mention of Canaris and the Abwehr should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:252:D02:110:4DFB:37B1:69B:159D ( talk) 02:57, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
The NSDAP membership number in particular is an important piece of information, because the lower the number, the earlier the person joined the party. Having a low membership number was a status symbol within the party. The Alter Kämpfer were considered as the hard-core supporters who were members during the initial period of struggle and before the party became popular or won any seats in the Reichstag. Having party number 544,916 meant Heydrich joined relatively late. — Diannaa 🍁 ( talk) 14:54, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
EEng, you are speculating and surmising
– what are you talking about?
E
Eng
22:47, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
EEng, if you really don't know, I am not wasting my time to comment further on it{[snd}}that is, you'll only answer my question if I already know the answer. That's good logic, that is. I'm afraid I really must insist that you explain what
speculating and surmisingyou're talking about.
On 30 May 1931, Heydrich's discharge from the navy became legally binding, and either the following day or on 1 June he joined the Nazi Party in Hamburg. Six weeks later, on 14 July, he joined the SS with the rank of Untersturmführer. His Party number was 544,916 and his SS number was 10,120. Those who joined the Party after Hitler's "seizure of power" in January 1933 faced suspicions from the "Old Fighters" of the Party that they had joined for reasons of career advancement, and not from a true commitment to the National Socialist program. Heydrich's date of enlistment in 1931 was early enough to avoid the charge of careerism, but was not early enough for him to be considered an Old Fighter himself.
give information to the reader as to when he joined the organizations and the timeline of events.[1]. Well, we've got a fine presentation of that now. So I ask again: what purpose do these two numbers serve?
In Czech and sometimes in English [2] [3] [4] [5] and even in Spanish [6], the reign of terror after Heydrich's assassination is referred to as the "Heydrichiáda." (Sometimes the first martial law is called the first Heydrichiáda, the reprisals are the second Heydrichiáda.) I think this is worth mentioning in the article. The terror was so bad that the Czechs coined a new word to describe it. Catrìona ( talk) 05:34, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Maybe we could include portrayals of Heydrich in popular culture. An example is that he appears in “The Man in The High Castle” (show) Hossman42!! ( talk) 07:54, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
this article makes no mention of the 1942 paper Heydrich wrote "The Reich and the Domination of Europe", which formed the basis of the Treaty of Rome. 2.59.114.197 ( talk) 09:59, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
User:Newzild has made the change of "murdered" to "killie" in both this article [7], [8], and on the article Heinrich Himmler. [9] and [10]. Newzild claims pedantic legal reason for this attempot to witewash the reputations of these two Nazis -- but refers to "Murder" as being a "pejorative" in one of his edit summaries, so there might be other reasons.
I will be posting numerous citations for the appropriateness of "murdered" shortly. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 06:27, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Citations confirming the apprpirate use of "murdered" in relation to the millions of people who died in the Holocaust:
The list could go on and on and on and on. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 06:48, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Beyond My Ken: is there a reason why this article uses inconsistent capitalization for this phrase? --- Coffeeand crumbs 09:01, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
The article says he was appointed Untersturmführer on 14 July 1931. The Wikipedia Untersturmführer article states that the was first created in 1934. (It is described as "the first commissioned SS officer rank, equivalent to a second lieutenant in other military organizations".) Either that article or this article is incorrect, as he couldn't have had the rank in 1931 if it wasn't established until 1934.
I know nothing about Nazi paramilitary, which is why I am hesitant to research and resolve this inconsistency myself. Someone should, as it has bearing on the content that follows, about whether subject's induction to the SS was pre- or post-1933. Pre-1933 induction was apparently considered an indicator of Nazi true believer authenticity.-- FeralOink ( talk) 05:07, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
I deleted this passage:
Donald Bloxham is apparently a professor of modern history and has a BLP of his own. The statement about Heydrich, particularly given the vast preponderance of evidence presented in this article alone, indicates that Heydrich had many, many hateful thoughts for the Jews. Is it a misquote of Bloxham? If not, hmmm, well, I guess we could return it to the article. It speaks most eloquently about why scholars do not necessarily draw correct conclusions, without any editorializing needed.
Please replace the passage if you (editors who read this) are certain of the accuracy of the quote, and believe it belongs in the article as an "alternative viewpoint".-- FeralOink ( talk) 00:16, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Antique Rose: I am starting this section to propose that the present infobox image be replaced with the following picture. As mentioned during my previous attempt to edit replace the picture, Heydrich was a mid-level bureaucrat in the Nazi regime, not a head of state or internationally renowned political thinker. Therefore, I see no reason why his infobox picture has to be nearly as large as the one used for FDR's main page. Its vastly disproportionate to his historical significance. Emiya1980 ( talk) 06:20, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 01:29, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
on october 30 2021. an anonymous user by the name of User talk:85.131.123.7, edited the page saying that "Jewish Historians" ( instead of many historians) considered Heydrich to be the darkest figure, and that seems to be not true, cause I was investigating about them and they are by no means Jewish, so I undid the edit. Common_man_86 ( talk) 22:16, 1 November 2021 (UTC)