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Donnelley, Paul (2012). Assassination!. Lulu Publishing. ISBN 978-1908963031 says on page 48:
Bizarrely, although Heydrich was determined to exterminate the Jews, he did show mercy to some Semites. He was a keen and talented fencer and he arranged for the former German champion fencer Paul Sommer, who was Jewish, to be given safe passage to America. He also insisted when war broke out that no member of the 1936 Summer Polish Olympic fencing team be harmed
Do you think it's worth including that he made some exceptions to certain Jews, like Hitler did with Gütman and Bloch? Jonas Vinther • ( speak to me!) 17:12, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Heydrich's leadership style was to use fear to extract obedience and respect. He was a serious person, never friendly or jovial, who cultivated a soldierly demeanour. He exercised daily and took meticulous care of his appearance, and expected his subordinates to do the same. He also expected his subordinates to be professional, efficient, and ideologically committed. (Gerwarth, pp.73-75)
I'm not sure where your addition would be placed; probably somewhere in the section on events in Poland in 1939. -- Diannaa ( talk) 23:37, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Heydrich's leadership style was to use fear to extract obedience and respect. He was a serious person, never friendly or jovial, who cultivated a soldierly demeanour. He exercised daily and took meticulous care of his appearance, and expected his subordinates to do the same. He also expected his subordinates to be professional at all times, efficient, and ideologically committed. Although a convinced Nazi, Heydrich moved to ensure the safety and well-being of certain Jews he had a personal relations to, such as Paul Sommer, the former German champion fencer. Others included the 1936 Summer Polish Olympic fencing team. (Gerwarth, pp.73-75 & Donnelley, 2012 p. 48)
I suggest changing "President of the ICPC" to "President of Interpol" as I strongly believe most people know recognize the name "Interpol" as apposed to the abbreviation. Any objections? Jonas Vinther • ( speak to me!) 15:45, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
File:SS general Reinhard Heydrich with his wife Lina and their children, unknown date.gif. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • ( speak to me!) 16:27, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
In the part heydrichs role in the holocaust in this lemma is a qotation cited form primary sources. This use of primary sources correspondends not with the Wikipedia Guideline Wikipedia:No_original_research#Primary.2C_secondary_and_tertiary_sources, which prescribes secondary sources. In this case was the classical meaning of the quotation ambigous. There I added the rating of a reliable secondary source. (The only drawback is, that I cited a book in German. But this book is also published in English, which is not accessable fpr me in HAmburg. If you have to add something, you could take the english edition of the encyclopedia of the holocaust.). -- Orik ( talk) 10:34, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
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The topic and court ruling of Lina's widows pension for a general killed in action was not without controversy and subject of numerous discussions in Konrad Adenauer’s cabinet. The issue had been brought forward by the SPD see the German Federal Archive bundesarchiv.de protocols from 3 September 1958, 3 December 1958 and 14 January 1959. I believe this should be mentioned in the article. Cheers MisterBee1966 ( talk) 07:19, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
The article states that Heydrich's grave coulnd't be located due to "a temporary wooden marker that disappeared when the Red Army overran the city in 1945 was never replaced". But if you look at the original grave site, you'll see it was already a monument with a real wall and bust on it, cf. here. This page claims that Hitler wanted to errect "a more elaborate monument" and that the grave was destroyed by the occupying Soviets. Now which version is true? Could someone with expertise maybe add some explaining information – ideally with reliable reference – to light up the room a bit? I'd be glad about any feedback. Thanks in advance.-- Hubon ( talk) 04:13, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
The rank terms should be given correctly, e.g.: It's not SS-Obergruppenführer and General der Polizei, but SS-Obergruppenführer und General der Polizei – this forms one single rank, not two combined ranks. Thus, the English version is incorrect. Moreover, as stated in the article history, the "SS" prefix belongs to the rank terms and therefore also has to be written in italics. Yet, according edits have constantly been reverted.-- Hubon ( talk) 11:35, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
The source for the higher number is the Rhodes book, which gets the data from Hilberg. Hilberg trumps Shirer, as more data came out later, once the Iron Curtain came down. — Diannaa ( talk) 14:58, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
The military history wikiproject suggests at WP:MILPOP not including pop culture sections on military topics unless the subject has had a notable impact on culture. So I am posting here to see if there's any consensus to include the material user:OberRanks added. Personally my feeling is that, per the MILHIST guideline, we should not include it in this article. There's no sources been added, and no assertion that Heydrich has had a significant impact on popular culture. -- Diannaa ( talk) 16:28, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
I find the exhaustive listing of awards, including extremely minor, such as the SS ring, to be excessive intricate detail. Would there be any objections to moving these to Service record of Reinhard Heydrich? Please let me know. K.e.coffman ( talk) 03:07, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
No mention of Poles in the lede? The man was as dedicated to elimination Poles as he was to Jews, and the Nazis were very successful indeed at murdering Poles. I shall add this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.65.215.149 ( talk) 16:25, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
I know it's not the subject of this article, but all the same, the following sentence from the third paragraph is incorrect: " Lidice was razed to the ground; all men and boys over the age of 16 were shot, and all but a handful of its women and children were deported and killed in Nazi concentration camps." The article on the Lidice Massacre reports that 17 children and 153 women (which appears to be about 70% of the women) survived the war. Certainly more than a handful. Moioci ( talk) 01:09, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
This article does not identify Heydrich's religion. This is an omission. FreeFlow99 ( talk) 18:23, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
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I suggest replacing the word 'liquidated' in the section 'Crushing the SA'. It is an informal use of the word which nominally means to wind down a business and sell off its assets. Better options may include annihilated, eradicated, extirpated, exterminated or just simply, killed. I understand that 'liquidated' has an informal meaning that suits its use here but in an encyclopaedia I feel one should be using a more formal language. Thoughts? Corleadad ( talk) 17:41, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
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Donnelley, Paul (2012). Assassination!. Lulu Publishing. ISBN 978-1908963031 says on page 48:
Bizarrely, although Heydrich was determined to exterminate the Jews, he did show mercy to some Semites. He was a keen and talented fencer and he arranged for the former German champion fencer Paul Sommer, who was Jewish, to be given safe passage to America. He also insisted when war broke out that no member of the 1936 Summer Polish Olympic fencing team be harmed
Do you think it's worth including that he made some exceptions to certain Jews, like Hitler did with Gütman and Bloch? Jonas Vinther • ( speak to me!) 17:12, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Heydrich's leadership style was to use fear to extract obedience and respect. He was a serious person, never friendly or jovial, who cultivated a soldierly demeanour. He exercised daily and took meticulous care of his appearance, and expected his subordinates to do the same. He also expected his subordinates to be professional, efficient, and ideologically committed. (Gerwarth, pp.73-75)
I'm not sure where your addition would be placed; probably somewhere in the section on events in Poland in 1939. -- Diannaa ( talk) 23:37, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Heydrich's leadership style was to use fear to extract obedience and respect. He was a serious person, never friendly or jovial, who cultivated a soldierly demeanour. He exercised daily and took meticulous care of his appearance, and expected his subordinates to do the same. He also expected his subordinates to be professional at all times, efficient, and ideologically committed. Although a convinced Nazi, Heydrich moved to ensure the safety and well-being of certain Jews he had a personal relations to, such as Paul Sommer, the former German champion fencer. Others included the 1936 Summer Polish Olympic fencing team. (Gerwarth, pp.73-75 & Donnelley, 2012 p. 48)
I suggest changing "President of the ICPC" to "President of Interpol" as I strongly believe most people know recognize the name "Interpol" as apposed to the abbreviation. Any objections? Jonas Vinther • ( speak to me!) 15:45, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
File:SS general Reinhard Heydrich with his wife Lina and their children, unknown date.gif. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • ( speak to me!) 16:27, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
In the part heydrichs role in the holocaust in this lemma is a qotation cited form primary sources. This use of primary sources correspondends not with the Wikipedia Guideline Wikipedia:No_original_research#Primary.2C_secondary_and_tertiary_sources, which prescribes secondary sources. In this case was the classical meaning of the quotation ambigous. There I added the rating of a reliable secondary source. (The only drawback is, that I cited a book in German. But this book is also published in English, which is not accessable fpr me in HAmburg. If you have to add something, you could take the english edition of the encyclopedia of the holocaust.). -- Orik ( talk) 10:34, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
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The topic and court ruling of Lina's widows pension for a general killed in action was not without controversy and subject of numerous discussions in Konrad Adenauer’s cabinet. The issue had been brought forward by the SPD see the German Federal Archive bundesarchiv.de protocols from 3 September 1958, 3 December 1958 and 14 January 1959. I believe this should be mentioned in the article. Cheers MisterBee1966 ( talk) 07:19, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
The article states that Heydrich's grave coulnd't be located due to "a temporary wooden marker that disappeared when the Red Army overran the city in 1945 was never replaced". But if you look at the original grave site, you'll see it was already a monument with a real wall and bust on it, cf. here. This page claims that Hitler wanted to errect "a more elaborate monument" and that the grave was destroyed by the occupying Soviets. Now which version is true? Could someone with expertise maybe add some explaining information – ideally with reliable reference – to light up the room a bit? I'd be glad about any feedback. Thanks in advance.-- Hubon ( talk) 04:13, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
The rank terms should be given correctly, e.g.: It's not SS-Obergruppenführer and General der Polizei, but SS-Obergruppenführer und General der Polizei – this forms one single rank, not two combined ranks. Thus, the English version is incorrect. Moreover, as stated in the article history, the "SS" prefix belongs to the rank terms and therefore also has to be written in italics. Yet, according edits have constantly been reverted.-- Hubon ( talk) 11:35, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
The source for the higher number is the Rhodes book, which gets the data from Hilberg. Hilberg trumps Shirer, as more data came out later, once the Iron Curtain came down. — Diannaa ( talk) 14:58, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
The military history wikiproject suggests at WP:MILPOP not including pop culture sections on military topics unless the subject has had a notable impact on culture. So I am posting here to see if there's any consensus to include the material user:OberRanks added. Personally my feeling is that, per the MILHIST guideline, we should not include it in this article. There's no sources been added, and no assertion that Heydrich has had a significant impact on popular culture. -- Diannaa ( talk) 16:28, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
I find the exhaustive listing of awards, including extremely minor, such as the SS ring, to be excessive intricate detail. Would there be any objections to moving these to Service record of Reinhard Heydrich? Please let me know. K.e.coffman ( talk) 03:07, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
No mention of Poles in the lede? The man was as dedicated to elimination Poles as he was to Jews, and the Nazis were very successful indeed at murdering Poles. I shall add this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.65.215.149 ( talk) 16:25, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
I know it's not the subject of this article, but all the same, the following sentence from the third paragraph is incorrect: " Lidice was razed to the ground; all men and boys over the age of 16 were shot, and all but a handful of its women and children were deported and killed in Nazi concentration camps." The article on the Lidice Massacre reports that 17 children and 153 women (which appears to be about 70% of the women) survived the war. Certainly more than a handful. Moioci ( talk) 01:09, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
This article does not identify Heydrich's religion. This is an omission. FreeFlow99 ( talk) 18:23, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
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I suggest replacing the word 'liquidated' in the section 'Crushing the SA'. It is an informal use of the word which nominally means to wind down a business and sell off its assets. Better options may include annihilated, eradicated, extirpated, exterminated or just simply, killed. I understand that 'liquidated' has an informal meaning that suits its use here but in an encyclopaedia I feel one should be using a more formal language. Thoughts? Corleadad ( talk) 17:41, 12 January 2018 (UTC)