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I have prepared a preliminary revision of the header section (intro) to the article, after reviewing our discussions above. You will find below the complete revision (with Wiki code visible upon choosing the "Edit" option). I await any comments.
William Reid Stowe (born January 6, 1952) is an American artist and mariner. " Stowe grew up around sailboats, sailed on the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans in his late teens and early 20's, had built two of his own sailboats with the help of his family and friends by age 26, sailed to the Antarctic with his schooner Anne in 1986, and completed a 194-day journey without touching land in 1999.
Stowe recently completed an ocean-going voyage called 1000 Days at Sea: The Mars Ocean Odyssey, a journey that commenced on April 21, 2007 from Pier 12, Hoboken, New Jersey. [1] This mission had the aim of remaining on the open ocean, without resupply, outside of contact with supporting ports for a period of one thousand days. This voyage involved active management of a sailboat under varying weather conditions, and with continuous wear and tear of equipment on the schooner.
Stowe was the head of the expedition and the principal designer and builder of the Anne, the 70 ft. (21.3 metres (70 ft) ) 60 ton (54,400 kg) gaff-rigged schooner which Stowe sailed on the voyage. [1] [2] [3] Soanya Ahmad, Stowe's girlfriend, a sailing novice with no offshore experience had been the first mate and the other principal participant in the voyage. Ostensibly suffering from nausea, Ahmad left the schooner near Perth, Australia on February 22, 2008, assisted by members of the Royal Perth Yacht Club, which had agreed in advance to carry out the rescue at sea. Subsequent to the rescue, Soanya's own suspicions of being pregnant with her first child were confirmed, and she gave birth to a son named Darshen in July of that year. [4]
On June 17, 2010, Reid Stowe sailed the schooner Anne up the Hudson River and docked in New York. The total voyage duration claimed by Stowe was 1,152 days, a potential record for the longest continuous sea voyage without resupply or stepping on land. Upon landing at Pier 81 in Manhattan, he was met by family and friends, by his girlfriend Soanya Ahmad and their toddler son, and by the press. [5] [6] [7]
-- Skol fir ( talk) 22:23, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
"outside of contact with supporting ports"? No - the original tenet was "out of sight of land".
I also think it important to add that a substantial aim of the mission was 4 circumnavigations of the globe as per the subject's own press releases, interviews and press coverage. Leaving out the scientific and educational goals here is also deceptive. I will cite all of the above if other editors are willing to accept the subject of the article's own goals and objectives when he departed on his voyage.
"This voyage involved active management of a sailboat under varying weather conditions, and with continuous wear and tear of equipment on the schooner." Cite please?
"Expedition"? Please refer to the wiki definition of expedition -- was there exploration or research involved? Cites please?
"Ostensibly suffering from nausea" -- "knowing she was pregnant on day 289" is more accurate, as per the SF Chronicle article (will cite again if requested).
- Soanya's View
- Since I have known Reid, he has said his ability to succeed is equal to his ability to love. Now that we are finally underway, he's had to remind himself of that over and over. When we're frustrated or angry or stressed, we are not in a state of love. It's not easy to be loving all of the time. It takes as much work to remember to be loving as it does to act out frustration or negative feeling. The yogis say love is the highest state a human can be in. It is not one that is attainable without effort despite what many would have you believe. I hope I can remember to be loving more times than not. It's easy to forget in the heat of the moment, but practice must make it easier in time.
- Soanya Ahmad, Stowe's girlfriend, a sailing novice with no offshore experience, had been the first mate and the other principal participant in the voyage. Ahmad left the schooner because of morning sickness near Perth, Australia on February 22, 2008. [8] She was assisted by members of the Royal Perth Yacht Club, which had agreed in advance to pick her up from the schooner. She gave birth to a son named Darshen in July of that year. [4]
"Subsequent to the rescue, Soanya's own suspicions of being pregnant with her first child were confirmed," -- redundant and speculative. The SF Chronicle article didn't mention anything about speculation and the reporter interviewed Soanya. Also, the word "rescue" is overly dramatic. I would suggest "transfer" or "pick up".
The last paragraph has been discussed time and again. I suggest we leave it as is. Regatta dog ( talk) 07:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Ostensibly suffering from nausea? Laughable. She knew she was pregnant 2 weeks before she got off the boat, according to the SF Examiner article, where Soanya was interviewed. Reid Stowe changed the purpose of the voyage to "Love" instead of the "Mars Research" which is what he used do garner support from sponsors and donors.
This mission had the aim of scientific research for a Mars voyage, 4 circumnavigations, and .... Mars? 20 years in the making as a Mars voyage, 3 years on the sea, a year and some change out, when no one gives a damn.................Stowe realizes that (and I quote) "hardly anyone is really interested", changes this scientific Mars mission into a "love voyage". I think that transition should be in the article.
What say you Skol Fir? Pretty significant event, changing the purpose of the journey. Regatta dog ( talk) 04:15, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
There was an entire article devoted to Reid's back child support in a reputable source, the NYDN, in which one of Reid's own shore team all but acknowledges the fact. That same source, NYDN, gives it brief mention in two additional articles. Charles Doane a self proclaimed friend of Reid's has covered it as does and article in Boating on the Hudson. With all of these reliable sources, a number of editors here are dead set against any mention of back child support in the article. They also seem unwilling to consider the drug conviction/prison time for the article, which can also be reliably sourced to numerous publications.
I agree with Skol Fir that we should present the information in a neutral way and let readers make their own morality judgments, but how can they make any judgments if they don't have the basic information?
I'll pull together some media comments about criticism over the weekend. Hopefully we can agree on the wording and get it into the article. Regatta dog ( talk) 14:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Skol, the lead section of the article is meant to be a summary of the entire article. One should be able to read the lead section and have a good idea what the rest of the article contains. Right now the lead section is almost entirely about the latest mission and nothing else. The first paragraph could be about Stowe's biography and early life, the second paragraph about his accomplishments up to the mission, the third paragraph about the mission. This would seem like a rough balance, as a suggestion. Green Cardamom ( talk) 04:57, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
- William Reid Stowe (born January 6, 1952) is an American artist and mariner. " Stowe grew up around sailboats, sailed on the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans in his late teens and early 20's, had built two of his own sailboats with the help of his family and friends by age 26, sailed to the Antarctic with his schooner Anne in 1986, and completed a 194-day journey without touching land in 1999.
- Stowe recently completed an ocean-going voyage called 1000 Days at Sea: The Mars Ocean Odyssey, a journey that commenced on April 21, 2007 from Pier 12, Hoboken, New Jersey. [1] This mission had the aim of remaining on the open ocean, without resupply, outside of contact with supporting ports for a period of one thousand days. This voyage involved active management of a sailboat under varying weather conditions, and with continuous wear and tear of equipment on the schooner.
- Stowe was the head of the expedition and the principal designer and builder of the Anne, the 70 ft. (21.3 metres (70 ft) ) 60 ton (54,400 kg) gaff-rigged schooner which Stowe sailed on the voyage. [1] [2] [3] Soanya Ahmad, Stowe's girlfriend, a sailing novice with no offshore experience had been the first mate and the other principal participant in the voyage. Ostensibly suffering from nausea, Ahmad left the schooner near Perth, Australia on February 22, 2008, assisted by members of the Royal Perth Yacht Club, which had agreed in advance to carry out the rescue at sea. Subsequent to the rescue, Soanya's own suspicions of being pregnant with her first child were confirmed, and she gave birth to a son named Darshen in July of that year. [4]
- On June 17, 2010, Reid Stowe sailed the schooner Anne up the Hudson River and docked in New York. The total voyage duration claimed by Stowe was 1,152 days, a potential record for the longest continuous sea voyage without resupply or stepping on land. Upon landing at Pier 81 in Manhattan, he was met by family and friends, by his girlfriend Soanya Ahmad and their toddler son, and by the press. [5] [6] [7]
Reference 42 is incorrect in that it refers to Soanya's transfer and not to the repair of the bowsprit. Here's what I think the reference ought to be: https://web.archive.org/web/20141101190638/http://1000days.net/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=132&Itemid=70 Can someone fix this? I don't know how to do it. John Link ( talk) 03:57, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
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I have prepared a preliminary revision of the header section (intro) to the article, after reviewing our discussions above. You will find below the complete revision (with Wiki code visible upon choosing the "Edit" option). I await any comments.
William Reid Stowe (born January 6, 1952) is an American artist and mariner. " Stowe grew up around sailboats, sailed on the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans in his late teens and early 20's, had built two of his own sailboats with the help of his family and friends by age 26, sailed to the Antarctic with his schooner Anne in 1986, and completed a 194-day journey without touching land in 1999.
Stowe recently completed an ocean-going voyage called 1000 Days at Sea: The Mars Ocean Odyssey, a journey that commenced on April 21, 2007 from Pier 12, Hoboken, New Jersey. [1] This mission had the aim of remaining on the open ocean, without resupply, outside of contact with supporting ports for a period of one thousand days. This voyage involved active management of a sailboat under varying weather conditions, and with continuous wear and tear of equipment on the schooner.
Stowe was the head of the expedition and the principal designer and builder of the Anne, the 70 ft. (21.3 metres (70 ft) ) 60 ton (54,400 kg) gaff-rigged schooner which Stowe sailed on the voyage. [1] [2] [3] Soanya Ahmad, Stowe's girlfriend, a sailing novice with no offshore experience had been the first mate and the other principal participant in the voyage. Ostensibly suffering from nausea, Ahmad left the schooner near Perth, Australia on February 22, 2008, assisted by members of the Royal Perth Yacht Club, which had agreed in advance to carry out the rescue at sea. Subsequent to the rescue, Soanya's own suspicions of being pregnant with her first child were confirmed, and she gave birth to a son named Darshen in July of that year. [4]
On June 17, 2010, Reid Stowe sailed the schooner Anne up the Hudson River and docked in New York. The total voyage duration claimed by Stowe was 1,152 days, a potential record for the longest continuous sea voyage without resupply or stepping on land. Upon landing at Pier 81 in Manhattan, he was met by family and friends, by his girlfriend Soanya Ahmad and their toddler son, and by the press. [5] [6] [7]
-- Skol fir ( talk) 22:23, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
"outside of contact with supporting ports"? No - the original tenet was "out of sight of land".
I also think it important to add that a substantial aim of the mission was 4 circumnavigations of the globe as per the subject's own press releases, interviews and press coverage. Leaving out the scientific and educational goals here is also deceptive. I will cite all of the above if other editors are willing to accept the subject of the article's own goals and objectives when he departed on his voyage.
"This voyage involved active management of a sailboat under varying weather conditions, and with continuous wear and tear of equipment on the schooner." Cite please?
"Expedition"? Please refer to the wiki definition of expedition -- was there exploration or research involved? Cites please?
"Ostensibly suffering from nausea" -- "knowing she was pregnant on day 289" is more accurate, as per the SF Chronicle article (will cite again if requested).
- Soanya's View
- Since I have known Reid, he has said his ability to succeed is equal to his ability to love. Now that we are finally underway, he's had to remind himself of that over and over. When we're frustrated or angry or stressed, we are not in a state of love. It's not easy to be loving all of the time. It takes as much work to remember to be loving as it does to act out frustration or negative feeling. The yogis say love is the highest state a human can be in. It is not one that is attainable without effort despite what many would have you believe. I hope I can remember to be loving more times than not. It's easy to forget in the heat of the moment, but practice must make it easier in time.
- Soanya Ahmad, Stowe's girlfriend, a sailing novice with no offshore experience, had been the first mate and the other principal participant in the voyage. Ahmad left the schooner because of morning sickness near Perth, Australia on February 22, 2008. [8] She was assisted by members of the Royal Perth Yacht Club, which had agreed in advance to pick her up from the schooner. She gave birth to a son named Darshen in July of that year. [4]
"Subsequent to the rescue, Soanya's own suspicions of being pregnant with her first child were confirmed," -- redundant and speculative. The SF Chronicle article didn't mention anything about speculation and the reporter interviewed Soanya. Also, the word "rescue" is overly dramatic. I would suggest "transfer" or "pick up".
The last paragraph has been discussed time and again. I suggest we leave it as is. Regatta dog ( talk) 07:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Ostensibly suffering from nausea? Laughable. She knew she was pregnant 2 weeks before she got off the boat, according to the SF Examiner article, where Soanya was interviewed. Reid Stowe changed the purpose of the voyage to "Love" instead of the "Mars Research" which is what he used do garner support from sponsors and donors.
This mission had the aim of scientific research for a Mars voyage, 4 circumnavigations, and .... Mars? 20 years in the making as a Mars voyage, 3 years on the sea, a year and some change out, when no one gives a damn.................Stowe realizes that (and I quote) "hardly anyone is really interested", changes this scientific Mars mission into a "love voyage". I think that transition should be in the article.
What say you Skol Fir? Pretty significant event, changing the purpose of the journey. Regatta dog ( talk) 04:15, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
There was an entire article devoted to Reid's back child support in a reputable source, the NYDN, in which one of Reid's own shore team all but acknowledges the fact. That same source, NYDN, gives it brief mention in two additional articles. Charles Doane a self proclaimed friend of Reid's has covered it as does and article in Boating on the Hudson. With all of these reliable sources, a number of editors here are dead set against any mention of back child support in the article. They also seem unwilling to consider the drug conviction/prison time for the article, which can also be reliably sourced to numerous publications.
I agree with Skol Fir that we should present the information in a neutral way and let readers make their own morality judgments, but how can they make any judgments if they don't have the basic information?
I'll pull together some media comments about criticism over the weekend. Hopefully we can agree on the wording and get it into the article. Regatta dog ( talk) 14:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Skol, the lead section of the article is meant to be a summary of the entire article. One should be able to read the lead section and have a good idea what the rest of the article contains. Right now the lead section is almost entirely about the latest mission and nothing else. The first paragraph could be about Stowe's biography and early life, the second paragraph about his accomplishments up to the mission, the third paragraph about the mission. This would seem like a rough balance, as a suggestion. Green Cardamom ( talk) 04:57, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
- William Reid Stowe (born January 6, 1952) is an American artist and mariner. " Stowe grew up around sailboats, sailed on the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans in his late teens and early 20's, had built two of his own sailboats with the help of his family and friends by age 26, sailed to the Antarctic with his schooner Anne in 1986, and completed a 194-day journey without touching land in 1999.
- Stowe recently completed an ocean-going voyage called 1000 Days at Sea: The Mars Ocean Odyssey, a journey that commenced on April 21, 2007 from Pier 12, Hoboken, New Jersey. [1] This mission had the aim of remaining on the open ocean, without resupply, outside of contact with supporting ports for a period of one thousand days. This voyage involved active management of a sailboat under varying weather conditions, and with continuous wear and tear of equipment on the schooner.
- Stowe was the head of the expedition and the principal designer and builder of the Anne, the 70 ft. (21.3 metres (70 ft) ) 60 ton (54,400 kg) gaff-rigged schooner which Stowe sailed on the voyage. [1] [2] [3] Soanya Ahmad, Stowe's girlfriend, a sailing novice with no offshore experience had been the first mate and the other principal participant in the voyage. Ostensibly suffering from nausea, Ahmad left the schooner near Perth, Australia on February 22, 2008, assisted by members of the Royal Perth Yacht Club, which had agreed in advance to carry out the rescue at sea. Subsequent to the rescue, Soanya's own suspicions of being pregnant with her first child were confirmed, and she gave birth to a son named Darshen in July of that year. [4]
- On June 17, 2010, Reid Stowe sailed the schooner Anne up the Hudson River and docked in New York. The total voyage duration claimed by Stowe was 1,152 days, a potential record for the longest continuous sea voyage without resupply or stepping on land. Upon landing at Pier 81 in Manhattan, he was met by family and friends, by his girlfriend Soanya Ahmad and their toddler son, and by the press. [5] [6] [7]
Reference 42 is incorrect in that it refers to Soanya's transfer and not to the repair of the bowsprit. Here's what I think the reference ought to be: https://web.archive.org/web/20141101190638/http://1000days.net/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=132&Itemid=70 Can someone fix this? I don't know how to do it. John Link ( talk) 03:57, 23 June 2018 (UTC)