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I rather doubt the assertion that Latin has more than 900 irregular verbs. The irregular verbs in Latin AFAIK are esse and its derivatives, posse, dare, êsse, ferre and its derivatives, velle and its derivatives, fieri, and ire and its derivatives.
It's true that Latin has many verbs whose principal parts must be learned separately, and cannot be derived from a single basic form. Almost all of the verbs outside the first conjugation are like this. You have to know, for example, that spopondi is the perfect stem of spondere, and that the past participle is sponsum. But once you have that data, the entire sequence can be reconstructed from it by rule; it is not "irregular". This strikes me more as a matter of lexicon than a matter of irregular verbs. If these make irregular verbs in Latin, how many more do Greek and Sanskrit have, where again you have the problem of not knowing what derivational suffixes go with what roots, which ones reduplicate, which ones take the augment, and so forth. Smerdis of Tlön 13:44, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)
What are the two irregular auxiliary verbs in Japanese that the table mentions? -- pne 09:21, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Why were the English modals all removed from the list? V V 08:32, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Could we have a citation for this, please? - Montréalais 22:10, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I created this section and moved comments from the English section below to it because these comments don't seem to relate to English. DBlomgren ( talk) 05:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
"English has 283 irregular verbs". Really? Where did we get this figure? It's spuriously accurate. You can't possibly give a figure because (1) many verbs have both regular and irregular forms, (2) some verbs are regular in one dialect (British or American) and irregular in the other, (3) some verbs have forms which are irregular but archaic, while other, now normally irregular verbs have archaic regular variants, (4) do you count "redo" as irregular, and if so, where do you stop? I noticed that our list of irregular verbs contains "redo" and several other "re-" words, but it by no means includes all of the "re-" and "mis-" irregulars which actually exist in the language. Basically, you simply can't give a figure. (unsigned)
| Wikitionary lists 303 irregular verbs. Also, why is this list mentioned, these numbers are very, very soft. -- User:jimktrains 67.171.71.163 22:30, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I've accumulated a list of 423 irregular English verbs, counting:
So I tell my students that there are over 400 irregular verbs in English, but only about 170 that they need to worry about.
I would like to request that we leave out archaic verbs from these lists so that English learners don't think they are common and should learn them. Instead, I recommend that there be a separate list of archaic verbs, a term that of course needs to be defined. DBlomgren ( talk) 05:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
English has over 470 irregular verbs. http://www.englishpage.com/irregularverbs/irregularverbs2.html <Go to this link if you want to see the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.188.142.54 ( talk) 22:01, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
The article says "All English irregular verbs are native, originating in Old English. ... All loanwords from foreign languages are regular." I believe "shrive" is an exception, sort of - it's a borrowing from Latin scribere, but was already borrowed into Old English. Reuben 21:33, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
"sneak" looks as if it originated in Old English but the irregular "snuck" started in the 19th century. [1]. So I don't know if this is an exceprtion to the rule. Thincat 09:35, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Perceivedly Finnish may have irregular verbs, but the underlying consonant assimilation pattern is used also elsewhere, such as to produce the potential mood, e.g. tul+ne+n → tullen cf. ol+ta → olla. Only the third person on "is" is irregular. Tehdä and nähdä are not irregular, the -h- is simply elided. -- Vuo 8 July 2005 19:57 (UTC)
WTF is "sui generis"? This quite possibly ranks as the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. What in the world is an obscure Latin (right?) term doing in an introduction in the English Wikipedia? I'm taking it out. If anyone objects, put it back with a translation (or, just the translated phrase). -- Matt Yeager 01:11, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
The table says there are 11 irregular verbs in Welsh. What are they? bod, gwneud, mynd, dod, cael… what are the other six? It would be good to have this information in the table. 207.245.124.66 16:05, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
The passage on Yes Minister seems only marginally relevant, and not written in a way that readily explains that relevance to someone not already familiar with the joke (especially because the example here isn't really a verb, it's a predicate). If someone can clean this up (and cite for it), great. Otherwise, it should be gone. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:16, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
It's been 5 days. No response. I have cut it. Here is the material, if someone wants to rework it:
-- Jmabel | Talk 06:12, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
I disagree with the statement that there are only two irregular verbs in Afrikaans. I am aware of at least 4 irregular verbs in Afrikaans: wees (Pres. is, Pret. was, P.Part. gewees); hê (Pres. het, Pret. had, P.Part. gehad); weet (Pres. weet, Pret. wis, P.Part. geweet); and dink (Pres. dink, Pret. dag, P.Part gedag or gedog). In addition, the 4 Germanic modal verbs also have irregular preterite forms in Afrikaans (kan/kon, moet/moes, sal/sou, wil/wou). Finally, it should be mentioned that, although the irregular past participle forms of common strong German verbs are no longer used in modern Afrikaans, they are retained however when those participles are used as adjectives, for example, "ek het 'n brief geskryf" (I have written/wrote a letter), but "'n geskrewe brief" ("a written letter"). 161.24.19.82 20:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Standard Afrikaans form | English | Alternate Afrikaans form | English |
---|---|---|---|
aangeneem(de) | taken on | aangenome kinders | adopted children |
begin | began | begonne taak | begun task |
beskryf(de) | described | beskrewe wette | written laws |
betrek | involved | betrokke lug | overcast sky |
gebind | tied | gebonde lewe | restricted life |
gebreek(te) | broken | gebroke hart | broken heart |
gebuig(te) | bent | geboë hoof | bowed head |
gedoen | done | gedane saak | done deed |
gedwing | forced | gedwonge rus | forced rest |
geskryf | written | geskrewe teks | written text |
gesterf | died | die gestorwe | the deceased |
gevries | frozen | bevrore vleis | frozen meat |
oogetrek(te) | covered | oortrokke rekening | overdrawn account |
verbied | forbade | verbode toegang | no admission |
verdink | suspected | verdagte dief | suspected thief |
verbind | bandaged | verbonde wond | bandaged wound |
Booshank ( talk) 15:44, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I agree. Also kind gebaar - kind is gebore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.114.143.64 ( talk) 00:07, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
The number of irregular verbs mentioned in the table for the Romance languages looks suspicious to me. It is well-known that Italian and French have more irregular verbs than, let's say Spanish and Portuguese, but does Italian really have 10 times more irregular verbs than Spanish ? Incidentally, the number of true irregular verbs in Spanish is probably less than 46.
Could someone who has the knowledge please post an opinion on whether there actually are any irregular verbs in Turkish or not? Some people who study the language told me that there was one such a verb - "olmak" = "to be" - so I am puzzled about this. Google gives pages for both possibilities, though mentions of no irregular verbs in the language are more frequent there. Plus, the Guiness Book of records mentions Esperanto as the only language with no irregular verbs, which would make it impossible for Turkish to have no irregular verb as well (though I think the Guiness-entry may easily be challenged). Blahma 08:40, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
There are no irregular verbs in Turkish. "Olmak" is also conjugated regular. For simle past tense:
"Oldum, Oldun, Oldu, Olduk, Oldunuz, Oldular"
There are other "endings" for "am, is, are"(in English) in Turkish and they are not considered as "to be" verb. Ajda 16:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
They say i ıs irregular, not because it is conjugated irregularly but because it can be merged into a noun. Consider the example;
Büyüktüm - Büyük idim Büyüktün - Büyük idin Büyüktü - Büyük idi
so on so on. i ıs the only such verb, a special oneç please note that in simple past it is not possible segregate i (Büyüğüm - Büyük im?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.67.201.162 ( talk) 14:30, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Actually "Büyüğüm" is regular because it is in the form of "Büyük -üm" where ğ to k is consonant mutation which is regular and i to ü is vowel mutation which has to be happen to provide vowel harmony in the word. So i is actually regular because changes of the letter is because of vowel harmony and this is one of the biggest rules of Turkish. Every Turkish word has to obey the rule of vowel harmony. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.172.41.85 ( talk) 01:51, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
"Olmak" can be considered as an irregular verb. The simple present tense form of "olmak" is "ol-ur" instead of "ol-ar", which is the regular form of simple present tense. There are 13 such verbs in Turkish: al-ır, bul-ur, bil-ir, dur-ur, gel-ir, gör-ür, kal-ır, ol-ur, öl-ür, san-ır, var-ır, ver-ir, vur-ur. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.87.106.106 ( talk) 04:49, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Apart from the list of 13 verbs mentioned above, there are verbs like "etmek", which conjugate to "ederim" (the t changes to d), whereas "satmak" conjugates to "satarım" (the t remains t). "gitmek", "tatmak" and "gütmek" conjugate like etmek, as well as verbs like "affetmek", which are derived from "etmek". Also, I think "yemek" has an irregular imperative ye/yiyin/yiyiniz. Auximines ( talk) 14:15, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Some reference to this humorous group should be made - the most well known example is 'I am firm, you are obstinate, he/she is as stubborn as a mule' - ie positive and two increasingly negative terms. Jackiespeel 21:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
There aren't that many irregular verbs in Dutch. Most strong verbs follow predictable patterns in their vowel changes. As there seem to be rules for this, I don't think you can say they are irregular.
I got this list of patterns from the ANS (Algemene Nederlandse Spraakkunst), which mentions them (though I've removed the lists of verbs from in between the patterns).
1 ij ee ee ee 2 ei ee ee ee 3 ie oo oo oo 4 ui oo oo oo 5 ee oo oo oo 6 i o o o 7 e o o o 8 aa oe oe aa 9 aa ie ie aa 10 a ie ie a 11 a i i a 12 oo ie ie oo 13 o e e o 14 oe ie ie oe 15 ouw ieuw ieuw ouw 16 uu oo oo oo 17 ij oo oo oo 18 e ie ie o 19 e ie ie aa 20 ee oe oe oo 21 ee a aa ee 22 ee a aa oo 23 i a aa ee
The ANS also lists the verbs that do not follow these patterns, but of these there are only 55 (unless I've miscounted, but it won't be far off) instead of the claimed 350.
As I understand from French, there are about 66 families of irregular verbs, and there are 13 ways to conjugate regular verbs in -er, and one way for the usual -ir. On top of that, there are more than 50 verbs that doesn't fit anywhere. It appears to me the total of 81 irregular verbs is far from the truth, half of all verbs appear to be irregular. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Souris2005 ( talk • contribs) 03:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC) (Holy Crap! Would the person posting about grammatical structure LEARN grammatical structure!! -L.S.)
The section of this article containing the table of numbers of irregular verbs is unhelpful and misleading, it is unsourced and never can be sourced, and it is original research conducted without a proper research methodology. I propose the whole section be deleted. Given that irregularity means quite different things in different languages, I doubt that there are meaningful comparisons to be made here, except within limited subgroups (e.g. comparing German with Dutch, where the phenomena bear comparison). All the figures conceal underlying subjective choices, like whether a French -re verb is irregular or whether you are looking at British or American English (dived/dove) or whether buk as the past tense of German backen is archaic. Besides which, I'm not sure that an exact number is worth having in any case. OK, it's 276 - so what? I suppose if some linguist could be found who has attempted to do this on a proper scientific basis, his results could be included, but I doubt if this has ever been done because it is kind of a sensationalist approach to thinking about language and I doubt real linguists would be particularly interested in it. So let's just get rid of it. In its place, you could write up a properly thought-out description of irregularity in some of the languages, and if what you want is a general impression of which languages tolerate larger numbers of irregular verbs, that could be indicated without the pretense of absolute numbers. -- Doric Loon ( talk) 10:24, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate to have a few words about the humorous "irregular verbs"? Of the sort, "I am a gourmet, you are a gourmand, he is a pig", "I am casual, you are messy, he is a slob"? TomS TDotO ( talk) 13:33, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't remember ever making a personal comment in a talk page before, but the person who wrote the "Yes Minister", "Punning Irregular Verbs" and "Humorous Irregular Verbs" comments (and I am guessing that they are all from the same person) doesn't seem to have a clue what he/she is talking about and perhaps could stop adding these comments. 216.36.132.66 ( talk) 19:28, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
It's proposed to merge regular verb and irregular verb into a single article. Please see Talk:Regular verb. Victor Yus ( talk) 12:11, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Any objections to this? If not, I'm ready to go ahead - please see the other talk page. Victor Yus ( talk) 07:08, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
example words of participle of regular verbs
I need to understand that, can the verb "comrpise" be followed by the preposition "of" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.200.197.65 ( talk) 07:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC).
I´m brasiliam and I´m doing level intermediate and I would like to know if have a complete list of the irregular verbs...
I say don't. They are two entirely different things, and as such, require two entirely different articles. Jmlk17 23:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
HA3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.106.153.49 ( talk) 01:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
(Some years later) I think such a merge would be a good idea. It's the same subject - nearly everything we say in one article also belongs in the other. The description of regular verbs in English (or in any other language we might decide to include) belongs at English verbs or the grammar pages for the specific language. Victor Yus ( talk) 11:31, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
OK, I've set up the merged article Regular and irregular verbs. It still needs quite a bit of work, but that's true anyway of both of the current separate articles. Before embarking, I'd like to see if there are any objections to the principle of combining the articles. The rationale for doing so is contained in my comment immediately above. Victor Yus ( talk) 07:06, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
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I rather doubt the assertion that Latin has more than 900 irregular verbs. The irregular verbs in Latin AFAIK are esse and its derivatives, posse, dare, êsse, ferre and its derivatives, velle and its derivatives, fieri, and ire and its derivatives.
It's true that Latin has many verbs whose principal parts must be learned separately, and cannot be derived from a single basic form. Almost all of the verbs outside the first conjugation are like this. You have to know, for example, that spopondi is the perfect stem of spondere, and that the past participle is sponsum. But once you have that data, the entire sequence can be reconstructed from it by rule; it is not "irregular". This strikes me more as a matter of lexicon than a matter of irregular verbs. If these make irregular verbs in Latin, how many more do Greek and Sanskrit have, where again you have the problem of not knowing what derivational suffixes go with what roots, which ones reduplicate, which ones take the augment, and so forth. Smerdis of Tlön 13:44, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)
What are the two irregular auxiliary verbs in Japanese that the table mentions? -- pne 09:21, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Why were the English modals all removed from the list? V V 08:32, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Could we have a citation for this, please? - Montréalais 22:10, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I created this section and moved comments from the English section below to it because these comments don't seem to relate to English. DBlomgren ( talk) 05:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
"English has 283 irregular verbs". Really? Where did we get this figure? It's spuriously accurate. You can't possibly give a figure because (1) many verbs have both regular and irregular forms, (2) some verbs are regular in one dialect (British or American) and irregular in the other, (3) some verbs have forms which are irregular but archaic, while other, now normally irregular verbs have archaic regular variants, (4) do you count "redo" as irregular, and if so, where do you stop? I noticed that our list of irregular verbs contains "redo" and several other "re-" words, but it by no means includes all of the "re-" and "mis-" irregulars which actually exist in the language. Basically, you simply can't give a figure. (unsigned)
| Wikitionary lists 303 irregular verbs. Also, why is this list mentioned, these numbers are very, very soft. -- User:jimktrains 67.171.71.163 22:30, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I've accumulated a list of 423 irregular English verbs, counting:
So I tell my students that there are over 400 irregular verbs in English, but only about 170 that they need to worry about.
I would like to request that we leave out archaic verbs from these lists so that English learners don't think they are common and should learn them. Instead, I recommend that there be a separate list of archaic verbs, a term that of course needs to be defined. DBlomgren ( talk) 05:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
English has over 470 irregular verbs. http://www.englishpage.com/irregularverbs/irregularverbs2.html <Go to this link if you want to see the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.188.142.54 ( talk) 22:01, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
The article says "All English irregular verbs are native, originating in Old English. ... All loanwords from foreign languages are regular." I believe "shrive" is an exception, sort of - it's a borrowing from Latin scribere, but was already borrowed into Old English. Reuben 21:33, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
"sneak" looks as if it originated in Old English but the irregular "snuck" started in the 19th century. [1]. So I don't know if this is an exceprtion to the rule. Thincat 09:35, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Perceivedly Finnish may have irregular verbs, but the underlying consonant assimilation pattern is used also elsewhere, such as to produce the potential mood, e.g. tul+ne+n → tullen cf. ol+ta → olla. Only the third person on "is" is irregular. Tehdä and nähdä are not irregular, the -h- is simply elided. -- Vuo 8 July 2005 19:57 (UTC)
WTF is "sui generis"? This quite possibly ranks as the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. What in the world is an obscure Latin (right?) term doing in an introduction in the English Wikipedia? I'm taking it out. If anyone objects, put it back with a translation (or, just the translated phrase). -- Matt Yeager 01:11, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
The table says there are 11 irregular verbs in Welsh. What are they? bod, gwneud, mynd, dod, cael… what are the other six? It would be good to have this information in the table. 207.245.124.66 16:05, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
The passage on Yes Minister seems only marginally relevant, and not written in a way that readily explains that relevance to someone not already familiar with the joke (especially because the example here isn't really a verb, it's a predicate). If someone can clean this up (and cite for it), great. Otherwise, it should be gone. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:16, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
It's been 5 days. No response. I have cut it. Here is the material, if someone wants to rework it:
-- Jmabel | Talk 06:12, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
I disagree with the statement that there are only two irregular verbs in Afrikaans. I am aware of at least 4 irregular verbs in Afrikaans: wees (Pres. is, Pret. was, P.Part. gewees); hê (Pres. het, Pret. had, P.Part. gehad); weet (Pres. weet, Pret. wis, P.Part. geweet); and dink (Pres. dink, Pret. dag, P.Part gedag or gedog). In addition, the 4 Germanic modal verbs also have irregular preterite forms in Afrikaans (kan/kon, moet/moes, sal/sou, wil/wou). Finally, it should be mentioned that, although the irregular past participle forms of common strong German verbs are no longer used in modern Afrikaans, they are retained however when those participles are used as adjectives, for example, "ek het 'n brief geskryf" (I have written/wrote a letter), but "'n geskrewe brief" ("a written letter"). 161.24.19.82 20:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Standard Afrikaans form | English | Alternate Afrikaans form | English |
---|---|---|---|
aangeneem(de) | taken on | aangenome kinders | adopted children |
begin | began | begonne taak | begun task |
beskryf(de) | described | beskrewe wette | written laws |
betrek | involved | betrokke lug | overcast sky |
gebind | tied | gebonde lewe | restricted life |
gebreek(te) | broken | gebroke hart | broken heart |
gebuig(te) | bent | geboë hoof | bowed head |
gedoen | done | gedane saak | done deed |
gedwing | forced | gedwonge rus | forced rest |
geskryf | written | geskrewe teks | written text |
gesterf | died | die gestorwe | the deceased |
gevries | frozen | bevrore vleis | frozen meat |
oogetrek(te) | covered | oortrokke rekening | overdrawn account |
verbied | forbade | verbode toegang | no admission |
verdink | suspected | verdagte dief | suspected thief |
verbind | bandaged | verbonde wond | bandaged wound |
Booshank ( talk) 15:44, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I agree. Also kind gebaar - kind is gebore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.114.143.64 ( talk) 00:07, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
The number of irregular verbs mentioned in the table for the Romance languages looks suspicious to me. It is well-known that Italian and French have more irregular verbs than, let's say Spanish and Portuguese, but does Italian really have 10 times more irregular verbs than Spanish ? Incidentally, the number of true irregular verbs in Spanish is probably less than 46.
Could someone who has the knowledge please post an opinion on whether there actually are any irregular verbs in Turkish or not? Some people who study the language told me that there was one such a verb - "olmak" = "to be" - so I am puzzled about this. Google gives pages for both possibilities, though mentions of no irregular verbs in the language are more frequent there. Plus, the Guiness Book of records mentions Esperanto as the only language with no irregular verbs, which would make it impossible for Turkish to have no irregular verb as well (though I think the Guiness-entry may easily be challenged). Blahma 08:40, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
There are no irregular verbs in Turkish. "Olmak" is also conjugated regular. For simle past tense:
"Oldum, Oldun, Oldu, Olduk, Oldunuz, Oldular"
There are other "endings" for "am, is, are"(in English) in Turkish and they are not considered as "to be" verb. Ajda 16:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
They say i ıs irregular, not because it is conjugated irregularly but because it can be merged into a noun. Consider the example;
Büyüktüm - Büyük idim Büyüktün - Büyük idin Büyüktü - Büyük idi
so on so on. i ıs the only such verb, a special oneç please note that in simple past it is not possible segregate i (Büyüğüm - Büyük im?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.67.201.162 ( talk) 14:30, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Actually "Büyüğüm" is regular because it is in the form of "Büyük -üm" where ğ to k is consonant mutation which is regular and i to ü is vowel mutation which has to be happen to provide vowel harmony in the word. So i is actually regular because changes of the letter is because of vowel harmony and this is one of the biggest rules of Turkish. Every Turkish word has to obey the rule of vowel harmony. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.172.41.85 ( talk) 01:51, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
"Olmak" can be considered as an irregular verb. The simple present tense form of "olmak" is "ol-ur" instead of "ol-ar", which is the regular form of simple present tense. There are 13 such verbs in Turkish: al-ır, bul-ur, bil-ir, dur-ur, gel-ir, gör-ür, kal-ır, ol-ur, öl-ür, san-ır, var-ır, ver-ir, vur-ur. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.87.106.106 ( talk) 04:49, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Apart from the list of 13 verbs mentioned above, there are verbs like "etmek", which conjugate to "ederim" (the t changes to d), whereas "satmak" conjugates to "satarım" (the t remains t). "gitmek", "tatmak" and "gütmek" conjugate like etmek, as well as verbs like "affetmek", which are derived from "etmek". Also, I think "yemek" has an irregular imperative ye/yiyin/yiyiniz. Auximines ( talk) 14:15, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Some reference to this humorous group should be made - the most well known example is 'I am firm, you are obstinate, he/she is as stubborn as a mule' - ie positive and two increasingly negative terms. Jackiespeel 21:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
There aren't that many irregular verbs in Dutch. Most strong verbs follow predictable patterns in their vowel changes. As there seem to be rules for this, I don't think you can say they are irregular.
I got this list of patterns from the ANS (Algemene Nederlandse Spraakkunst), which mentions them (though I've removed the lists of verbs from in between the patterns).
1 ij ee ee ee 2 ei ee ee ee 3 ie oo oo oo 4 ui oo oo oo 5 ee oo oo oo 6 i o o o 7 e o o o 8 aa oe oe aa 9 aa ie ie aa 10 a ie ie a 11 a i i a 12 oo ie ie oo 13 o e e o 14 oe ie ie oe 15 ouw ieuw ieuw ouw 16 uu oo oo oo 17 ij oo oo oo 18 e ie ie o 19 e ie ie aa 20 ee oe oe oo 21 ee a aa ee 22 ee a aa oo 23 i a aa ee
The ANS also lists the verbs that do not follow these patterns, but of these there are only 55 (unless I've miscounted, but it won't be far off) instead of the claimed 350.
As I understand from French, there are about 66 families of irregular verbs, and there are 13 ways to conjugate regular verbs in -er, and one way for the usual -ir. On top of that, there are more than 50 verbs that doesn't fit anywhere. It appears to me the total of 81 irregular verbs is far from the truth, half of all verbs appear to be irregular. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Souris2005 ( talk • contribs) 03:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC) (Holy Crap! Would the person posting about grammatical structure LEARN grammatical structure!! -L.S.)
The section of this article containing the table of numbers of irregular verbs is unhelpful and misleading, it is unsourced and never can be sourced, and it is original research conducted without a proper research methodology. I propose the whole section be deleted. Given that irregularity means quite different things in different languages, I doubt that there are meaningful comparisons to be made here, except within limited subgroups (e.g. comparing German with Dutch, where the phenomena bear comparison). All the figures conceal underlying subjective choices, like whether a French -re verb is irregular or whether you are looking at British or American English (dived/dove) or whether buk as the past tense of German backen is archaic. Besides which, I'm not sure that an exact number is worth having in any case. OK, it's 276 - so what? I suppose if some linguist could be found who has attempted to do this on a proper scientific basis, his results could be included, but I doubt if this has ever been done because it is kind of a sensationalist approach to thinking about language and I doubt real linguists would be particularly interested in it. So let's just get rid of it. In its place, you could write up a properly thought-out description of irregularity in some of the languages, and if what you want is a general impression of which languages tolerate larger numbers of irregular verbs, that could be indicated without the pretense of absolute numbers. -- Doric Loon ( talk) 10:24, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate to have a few words about the humorous "irregular verbs"? Of the sort, "I am a gourmet, you are a gourmand, he is a pig", "I am casual, you are messy, he is a slob"? TomS TDotO ( talk) 13:33, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't remember ever making a personal comment in a talk page before, but the person who wrote the "Yes Minister", "Punning Irregular Verbs" and "Humorous Irregular Verbs" comments (and I am guessing that they are all from the same person) doesn't seem to have a clue what he/she is talking about and perhaps could stop adding these comments. 216.36.132.66 ( talk) 19:28, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
It's proposed to merge regular verb and irregular verb into a single article. Please see Talk:Regular verb. Victor Yus ( talk) 12:11, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Any objections to this? If not, I'm ready to go ahead - please see the other talk page. Victor Yus ( talk) 07:08, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
example words of participle of regular verbs
I need to understand that, can the verb "comrpise" be followed by the preposition "of" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.200.197.65 ( talk) 07:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC).
I´m brasiliam and I´m doing level intermediate and I would like to know if have a complete list of the irregular verbs...
I say don't. They are two entirely different things, and as such, require two entirely different articles. Jmlk17 23:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
HA3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.106.153.49 ( talk) 01:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
(Some years later) I think such a merge would be a good idea. It's the same subject - nearly everything we say in one article also belongs in the other. The description of regular verbs in English (or in any other language we might decide to include) belongs at English verbs or the grammar pages for the specific language. Victor Yus ( talk) 11:31, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
OK, I've set up the merged article Regular and irregular verbs. It still needs quite a bit of work, but that's true anyway of both of the current separate articles. Before embarking, I'd like to see if there are any objections to the principle of combining the articles. The rationale for doing so is contained in my comment immediately above. Victor Yus ( talk) 07:06, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
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