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Hopefully, Reggie will make it through his first game before the next vandal arrives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Excaliburhorn ( talk • contribs)
I appreciate the additions to the article, but if we can't do so without violating WP:NPOV, then we shouldn't do so at all. It is true that Reggie is criticized, but I'm not sure it deserves an entire section, especially considering his progress so far. Perhaps a more logical sectioning would be based on time (High School, College) rather than the odd (General, Crit, vs UGA) setup we have now. — Disavian ( talk/ contribs) 22:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Reggie's stats don't begin to compare with Joe Hamilton's. Joe's stats don't include bowl game (NCAA rules at the time) and are still better than Reggie's, even though Reggie played a lot more games. Also Hamilton had some good WRs, but never one as talented as Calvin Johnson, and he never had a defense as good as Reggie did either. Reggie's Ball legacy will not be a good one, if you are trying to portray it as such you are not accurately portraying Reggie Ball or his career. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.207.61.98 ( talk • contribs)
Can someone explain to me why the stat lines from Reggie Ball's rivalry with UGA get repeatedly removed? I understand and agree when some of the editorial remarks are removed that people add to those stat lines, but I do not agree with just deleting stats in GT's most important rivalry. Rather than delete, if you think it portrays Reggie in too negative of a light, why not add a section on his positive accomplishments in big games? Instead of just deleting facts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.39.0.39 ( talk) 17:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC).
This whole article should be removed, the people who are in charge of it know nothing of football. You can't talk about Reggie Ball and not mention the negatives of his career, its ridiculous and ignorant to even try and do so. -kres —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.207.61.98 ( talk • contribs)
This site features several articles that contain "public opinion" or"criticism" sections as long as it is stated as such. Also the fact the lost to UGA 4 times is not non-encyclopedic. Also while stating facts, it should be mentioned that Reggie's career stats contain bowl stats, while Hamilton's and Jones' do not. Reggie Ball made a choice to play big time college football, no one forced him. To accurately portray his career you have to at least mention the negatives of his career, otherwise the article defeats its own purpose... giving someone who knows nothing of Reggie Ball a look into who he was and what he did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.207.61.98 ( talk • contribs)
Joe Hamilton is widely regarded as the greatest player in GT history, and one of the best in ACC history. He was 1st team All American Reggie never even made all-ACC. Hamilton almost single handedly beat FSU in 1999 and he never cost GT a game. Reggie made a bonehead play in all 4 UGA losses, including 3 of them at the end of the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.207.61.98 ( talk • contribs)
Here is the section that has been removed about 10 times. I feel it's factual and relevant. Please let me know if you disagreee and why.
Career Stats vs. UGA
- 2003 - 8-16 for 80 yds, 0 td, 1 int. 12 rushes for 49 yds. Lost 34 - 17 - - 2004 - 13-31 for 141 yds, 0 tds, 0 int. 13 rushes for -4 yds. Lost 19 - 13 - - 2005 - 18-35 for 155 yds, 1 td, 2 int. 14 rushes for 64 yds. Lost 14 - 7 - - 2006 - 6 - 22 for 42 yds, 0 td, 2 int. 11 rushes for -10 ydss. Lost 15 - 12 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.99.234.235 ( talk • contribs)
Thats fine, I'm tired of trying. Reggie Ball was a good player, but part of his legacy is losing in the big games for GT, especially rival UGA. If Wikipedia cant reflect that and be accurate, it doesnt matter that much to me.
Went ahead and removed where someone put this in, as this article is forbidden to have anythign the least bit negative about Reggie. He is the greatest QB in NCAA history. - kres
Agreed, why confuse the issue by presenting the facts.
Dear 67.207.61.98 ( talk · contribs), thank you for writing a neutral, sourced bit on Reggie Ball that takes into account both his accomplishments and his failures. :) — Disavian ( talk/ contribs) 21:54, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Would someone like to translate the following from "High School Career" into proper English?
“ | Reggie throw for 17,000 yards for his high school it was thrid in his high school. The first is 22,000 yards and 105 TD. | ” |
— Disavian ( talk/ contribs) 03:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Disavian or any other user mind if we lock this site to non-users? A few IP's have contributed but for the most part, they simply deface this article. Let me know your thoughts. Excaliburhorn 22:35, 15 Feb. 2007 (UTC)
I believe one of the reasons this page gets vandalized is that it patently violates the "neutral point of view" Good Article tenet. Regardless of his statistics, he was a lightning rod for the team's issues in 2006. To <not> acknowledge that fact incites vandalism. Heck, the originator of this page openly declares non-neutrality when he says he won't allow a single negative comment. I also think the article missed the most important element of Reggie's story - that if you look at Reggie's play in 2006 and consider that he was having issues at the same time that eventually led him to be declared academically ineligible for the Gator Bowl, then this says something about Chan and Georgia Tech's athletic policy of letting seniors look out after all of their responsibilities...and whether that is the best thing for them as young men. Reggie needed help and didn't get it. Justifying it by saying he didn't step up or didn't ask for help is crap. Stringbean 21:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Here is a breakdown, for me at this moment, of the article:
Bottom line: this article is very well written. I am going to put it on hold because I want the editors to take a look at the article and try to make it more broad in the information that it is conveying, especially his early life and now. Well done. └ Jared┘┌ talk┐ 17:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently does not meet the criteria and is now on hold until improvements are made.-- Jackyd101 ( talk) 23:46, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Ball's article is well covered IMHO. I think we now need to turn our focus onto the Georgia Tech quarterback that followed up Ball's success -- and that was the fleet-footed Josh Nesbitt. His college football section -- much like Notre Dame's Tony Rice -- needs beefing up badly. I'd like to find info on Walter Payton's college playing days. With Nesbitt and ND's Rice, no stats are mentioned, signature wins, records compiled per season (they completely left out Rice's final season of 1989 when his Irish finished #2 in the nation at 12-1), etc., etc., and I could go on and on. I want to make Wikipedia as college football friendly as I can to these men that played the game -- especially the stars from the not-so-distant past that feel forgotten (i.e.- Tony Rice). I'll scrap to find research on these remarkable athletes. Robert Griffin III has a Wikipedia article written on him that any athlete would love to have representing his life long body of work. Griffin's is excellent. However, Griffin III is current - which works to his advantage. Rod Hayes ( talk) 00:25, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
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Reggie Ball was one of the Sports and recreation good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | |||||||||||||
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Current status: Delisted good article |
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To-do list for Reggie Ball:
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Hopefully, Reggie will make it through his first game before the next vandal arrives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Excaliburhorn ( talk • contribs)
I appreciate the additions to the article, but if we can't do so without violating WP:NPOV, then we shouldn't do so at all. It is true that Reggie is criticized, but I'm not sure it deserves an entire section, especially considering his progress so far. Perhaps a more logical sectioning would be based on time (High School, College) rather than the odd (General, Crit, vs UGA) setup we have now. — Disavian ( talk/ contribs) 22:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Reggie's stats don't begin to compare with Joe Hamilton's. Joe's stats don't include bowl game (NCAA rules at the time) and are still better than Reggie's, even though Reggie played a lot more games. Also Hamilton had some good WRs, but never one as talented as Calvin Johnson, and he never had a defense as good as Reggie did either. Reggie's Ball legacy will not be a good one, if you are trying to portray it as such you are not accurately portraying Reggie Ball or his career. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.207.61.98 ( talk • contribs)
Can someone explain to me why the stat lines from Reggie Ball's rivalry with UGA get repeatedly removed? I understand and agree when some of the editorial remarks are removed that people add to those stat lines, but I do not agree with just deleting stats in GT's most important rivalry. Rather than delete, if you think it portrays Reggie in too negative of a light, why not add a section on his positive accomplishments in big games? Instead of just deleting facts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.39.0.39 ( talk) 17:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC).
This whole article should be removed, the people who are in charge of it know nothing of football. You can't talk about Reggie Ball and not mention the negatives of his career, its ridiculous and ignorant to even try and do so. -kres —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.207.61.98 ( talk • contribs)
This site features several articles that contain "public opinion" or"criticism" sections as long as it is stated as such. Also the fact the lost to UGA 4 times is not non-encyclopedic. Also while stating facts, it should be mentioned that Reggie's career stats contain bowl stats, while Hamilton's and Jones' do not. Reggie Ball made a choice to play big time college football, no one forced him. To accurately portray his career you have to at least mention the negatives of his career, otherwise the article defeats its own purpose... giving someone who knows nothing of Reggie Ball a look into who he was and what he did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.207.61.98 ( talk • contribs)
Joe Hamilton is widely regarded as the greatest player in GT history, and one of the best in ACC history. He was 1st team All American Reggie never even made all-ACC. Hamilton almost single handedly beat FSU in 1999 and he never cost GT a game. Reggie made a bonehead play in all 4 UGA losses, including 3 of them at the end of the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.207.61.98 ( talk • contribs)
Here is the section that has been removed about 10 times. I feel it's factual and relevant. Please let me know if you disagreee and why.
Career Stats vs. UGA
- 2003 - 8-16 for 80 yds, 0 td, 1 int. 12 rushes for 49 yds. Lost 34 - 17 - - 2004 - 13-31 for 141 yds, 0 tds, 0 int. 13 rushes for -4 yds. Lost 19 - 13 - - 2005 - 18-35 for 155 yds, 1 td, 2 int. 14 rushes for 64 yds. Lost 14 - 7 - - 2006 - 6 - 22 for 42 yds, 0 td, 2 int. 11 rushes for -10 ydss. Lost 15 - 12 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.99.234.235 ( talk • contribs)
Thats fine, I'm tired of trying. Reggie Ball was a good player, but part of his legacy is losing in the big games for GT, especially rival UGA. If Wikipedia cant reflect that and be accurate, it doesnt matter that much to me.
Went ahead and removed where someone put this in, as this article is forbidden to have anythign the least bit negative about Reggie. He is the greatest QB in NCAA history. - kres
Agreed, why confuse the issue by presenting the facts.
Dear 67.207.61.98 ( talk · contribs), thank you for writing a neutral, sourced bit on Reggie Ball that takes into account both his accomplishments and his failures. :) — Disavian ( talk/ contribs) 21:54, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Would someone like to translate the following from "High School Career" into proper English?
“ | Reggie throw for 17,000 yards for his high school it was thrid in his high school. The first is 22,000 yards and 105 TD. | ” |
— Disavian ( talk/ contribs) 03:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Disavian or any other user mind if we lock this site to non-users? A few IP's have contributed but for the most part, they simply deface this article. Let me know your thoughts. Excaliburhorn 22:35, 15 Feb. 2007 (UTC)
I believe one of the reasons this page gets vandalized is that it patently violates the "neutral point of view" Good Article tenet. Regardless of his statistics, he was a lightning rod for the team's issues in 2006. To <not> acknowledge that fact incites vandalism. Heck, the originator of this page openly declares non-neutrality when he says he won't allow a single negative comment. I also think the article missed the most important element of Reggie's story - that if you look at Reggie's play in 2006 and consider that he was having issues at the same time that eventually led him to be declared academically ineligible for the Gator Bowl, then this says something about Chan and Georgia Tech's athletic policy of letting seniors look out after all of their responsibilities...and whether that is the best thing for them as young men. Reggie needed help and didn't get it. Justifying it by saying he didn't step up or didn't ask for help is crap. Stringbean 21:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Here is a breakdown, for me at this moment, of the article:
Bottom line: this article is very well written. I am going to put it on hold because I want the editors to take a look at the article and try to make it more broad in the information that it is conveying, especially his early life and now. Well done. └ Jared┘┌ talk┐ 17:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently does not meet the criteria and is now on hold until improvements are made.-- Jackyd101 ( talk) 23:46, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Ball's article is well covered IMHO. I think we now need to turn our focus onto the Georgia Tech quarterback that followed up Ball's success -- and that was the fleet-footed Josh Nesbitt. His college football section -- much like Notre Dame's Tony Rice -- needs beefing up badly. I'd like to find info on Walter Payton's college playing days. With Nesbitt and ND's Rice, no stats are mentioned, signature wins, records compiled per season (they completely left out Rice's final season of 1989 when his Irish finished #2 in the nation at 12-1), etc., etc., and I could go on and on. I want to make Wikipedia as college football friendly as I can to these men that played the game -- especially the stars from the not-so-distant past that feel forgotten (i.e.- Tony Rice). I'll scrap to find research on these remarkable athletes. Robert Griffin III has a Wikipedia article written on him that any athlete would love to have representing his life long body of work. Griffin's is excellent. However, Griffin III is current - which works to his advantage. Rod Hayes ( talk) 00:25, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 07:22, 7 December 2018 (UTC)