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User:Deor. The Anglo-Norman text is: here on line 317. The Fema edition currently cited with a Middle English translation is actually early 15th century: here on page 79. The other manuscripts listed in the first link date manuscripts to the early 14th century. However, The OED says: "(from 13th cent. in British sources), Anglo-Norman and Middle French hareng sor (c1290 in the passage glossed in quot. a1333 at sense 1a; French hareng saur)." This is saying the manuscript Gloss. W. de Bibbesworth (BL Add.) (1929) 314 (MED) which dates to 1333 is a gloss of an earlier Anglo-Norman text from ca. 1290 .. thus we can arrive at late 13th century for first known usage, even if the original Anglo-Norman manuscript exists only in the form of a 1333 gloss (I believe this is what is meant). -- Green C 22:42, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
The Guardian recently reported, based on a study in The Review of English Studies, that the earliest recorded use was in the Heege Manuscript - see ‘Mad and offensive’ texts shed light on the role played by minstrels in medieval society, although a date is not specified. Anyone got access to that journal? Masato.harada ( talk) 09:27, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
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User:Deor. The Anglo-Norman text is: here on line 317. The Fema edition currently cited with a Middle English translation is actually early 15th century: here on page 79. The other manuscripts listed in the first link date manuscripts to the early 14th century. However, The OED says: "(from 13th cent. in British sources), Anglo-Norman and Middle French hareng sor (c1290 in the passage glossed in quot. a1333 at sense 1a; French hareng saur)." This is saying the manuscript Gloss. W. de Bibbesworth (BL Add.) (1929) 314 (MED) which dates to 1333 is a gloss of an earlier Anglo-Norman text from ca. 1290 .. thus we can arrive at late 13th century for first known usage, even if the original Anglo-Norman manuscript exists only in the form of a 1333 gloss (I believe this is what is meant). -- Green C 22:42, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
The Guardian recently reported, based on a study in The Review of English Studies, that the earliest recorded use was in the Heege Manuscript - see ‘Mad and offensive’ texts shed light on the role played by minstrels in medieval society, although a date is not specified. Anyone got access to that journal? Masato.harada ( talk) 09:27, 2 June 2023 (UTC)