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As the arch-enemy of a Top importance character (Captain America), the Red Skull should be listed as High-importance, as the arch-rivals of all other top importance characters are. I ask whoever keeps setting the importance to mid and low, please stop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.208.232.14 ( talk) 07:18, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
The live-action movie summary makes NO SENSE. Well, it makes some but is convoluted. (I think that might more be a problem with the movie's script itself, as opposed to the entry) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.24.94 ( talk) 08:44, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I notice there is no "Other Media" section.(preceding unsigned comment by 24.147.140.206 {{{2}}})
"The Red Skull was recently assassinated by the mysterious Winter Soldier, under orders from the former Soviet general Alexander Lukin, who wanted to possess the Cosmic Cube. He was literally confirmed as dead on the panel, but whether he will stay dead remains to be seen"
Due to his dealings with Arnim Zola, I suspect he can just teleport his mind into a cloned body.
There is a lot of information missing from this artical but i do not have enough information to updates this.
what i do know...
-The red skull was alive on the captain america comics of the 90's (possible alt. universe)
-in these comics he possesed great power as he has been bonded to the Cosmic Cube.
I removed this line: "However, while the English name sounds rather menacing, the German name does not." from the trivia section. That's really an opinion. I would think that a German speaker would find the German name just as menacing, and that line doesn't add anything useful to the entry anyway. 147.240.236.9 17:19, 20 April 2006 (UTC)Roy
I changed it from "Arab youth" to "Persian youth". Obviously because the character was not an Arab.
This article is very difficult to follow for anyone not already knowledgeable about the character. It would probably be easier to read if it followed real-world chronology, describing the character as he was potrayed in the 1940's first and not mentioning any retcons until they actually occured in real-world time. I think this would be a lot more readable than there was the first but then later it was decided the first was the second and there was a new first then second reappeared but some people now call the second the third and call the fake skull (who was originally the same as the first) the second.
The Gentleman was an original character created for the Spiderman novels "Revenge of the Sinister Six" and "Secret of the Sinister Six". And Marvel doesn't consider the novels canon. So I don't think it should be here? 99.245.168.32 16:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)Angelwings
91.105.141.42 19:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)Shouldn't the interview mentioned below be referenced? I've tried to find the interview online, but to no avail.
'Red Skull is one of several Silver Age Marvel characters not to have an Ultimate Marvel counterpart. In an interview given shortly after the launch of "The Ultimates", Mark Millar had singled out Red Skull, along with Doctor Doom, as the only "traditional" Marvel villains he would be willing to use in the pages of the series.'
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I've noticed Wiki discourages Trivia, so any thoughts on moving the game and Ultimates info into Other media and dropping the German name? Possibly the Ultimates note could be given its own small section at the end of the main bio, although I'm still unclear as to EXACTLY what constitutes "Other" media, seeing how Ultimates is still part of the Marvel Universe... I'll give it a day or two for input before making any changes. Enigmatic2k3 ( talk) 23:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
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Is "Dell Rusk" truly a reference to Dean Rusk or merely a great coincidence? I can't find any citation that Johns intended this as a reference. Only a few instances are found online where anyone made the connection if it truly was intended. By definition, DEAN Rusk is NOT an anagram of Red Skull, (but DELL Rusk is). You cannot rearrange DEAN Rusk in any way for it to become RED SKULL. So either delete all references to anagrame altogether (if the wiki community decides that there is not enough reference to support this) or at least keep the correct anagram, the DELL one - not the DEAN one. By the way, in another wiki page, on the biography of the actual DEAN Rusk - the 1960s US Secretary of State, there was a claim under "In popular culture" that he (or his name) inspires the name Red Skull in the comic. So if the anagram thoery is consdiered not sufficiently validated here, the biography of the historical Dean Rusk should be revised as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.253.11.18 ( talk) 07:01, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
I really believe the first appearance of the Schmidt Red Skull is YOUNG ALLIES COMICS #1 not CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS # 7. YAC#1 was published in summer of 1941, while CAC#7 was published in October of 1941. Giantdevilfish ( talk) 21:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
-nomination/merge - the information on Albert Malik is a virtual reduplication of that already on the Red Skull page, which is fairly clear and consise, as is. Malik's signicance and notabilty dimishes without the greater context of the Red Skull to surround him. - 66.109.248.114 ( talk) 22:06, 13 January 2008 (UTC).
I'd just as soon separate all of the Malik information in this article and expand the other one. As is, this article is somewhat confusing due to the fact that there are three Skulls mentioned. There is no way we should have two equally relavent characters sharing one article. Does anyone know which Skull was involved with Captain America's death, by the way? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.192.181.59 ( talk) 19:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
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According to The Steranko History of Comics Jack Kirby's friend, Ed Herron wrote a few Captain America stories, and he created the Red Skull. (The Steranko History of Comics, p. 53) Vegas Bleeds Neon ( talk) 17:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
You cannot twist the spelling of "Dean Rusk" in anyway to spell "Red Skull". So it is not an anagram of one another. Furthermore, if it is not sifficiently validated, it should be deleted, out of respect of the actual late Secretary of State Dean Rusk and his family, who probably would not be very pleased with having their relative cited as the inspiration of a comic book villain. I notice that similar entry about Dean Rusk and Red Skull in another wiki webpage on the real Dean Rusk's biographaphy has also been deled. 182.253.11.18 ( talk) 08:49, 3 April 2012 (UTC) a real life diplomat who also likes comics
Since the majority of the article is about the Schmidt character, and the minor characters Maxon and Malik are summarized in small paragraphs in the "Other Red Skulls" section, shouldn't the lead and infobox focus on only the Schmidt character? - Fandraltastic ( talk) 22:38, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
The article is clearly about the Schmidt character rather than any of the lesser Red Skulls, including the first one, but should this distinction be clarified in the lede? The statement "The Red Skull [...] first appeared in Captain America Comics #7" is, in one sense, inaccurate. Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 11:04, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
This is wrong. Red Skull appeared before issue #7. He was definitely in #3. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.170.255 ( talk) 18:29, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
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Seems a bizzare question but.. when exactly was first mentioned the real name of the Red Skull?
In comics books of '40 ,AFAIK, the only real name mentioned is "George Maxon".. (the '50 we know are fake Skull, so unimportant).. the classic Tales of Suspense#65-66, (May, 1965) shows the history of Red Skull (but without names)...
(AFAIK) the first run that explains details and names are the comic books about Mother Superior, the daughter of Red Skull .. aka Captain America #298-300 (1984).. where is revealed that Red Skull is Johann Shmidt.
Some following "official" books, as OHOTMU of 1987 (and 1989 and more), filed "red skull" as Johann Shmidt ... Ironically even some of the references mentioned in this page, actually show Shmidt instead of Schmidt ... like marvel.com and marvunapp.com. A good reading about the "identity problem" of red skull (and cap) is http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/rskul2.htm.
For some reason (that i don't know, and i'd LIKE to know) the "Schmidt" variant was became famous.. since the comic book "Red Skull: Incarnate" (of Pak, 2011) uses Johann Schmidt, instead.
There is some run that predates Cap#298-300 that reveals Schmidt as real name? -- Spiderscai ( talk) 23:44, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm not touching it anymore since we have a youngin who reverts all edits and thinks he is "Keeper of the skull." Captain America #7 was not a notable Red Skull appearance and no explanation is made for his return in the issue. Where this information is should be cited. Johan Schmidt it not mentioned in this issue of Captain America, as I own the masterworks copy. Whoever has plastered this all over the article has not cited it. If we are talking about Captain America Tales of Suspense 65, Red Skull claims he was merely posing as George Maxon. The facts in this article aren't correct. Rickyar ( talk) 14:21, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Shouldn't the name be Schmidt? 2409:4060:2EC3:EE0F:792B:2BBF:96B4:E76A ( talk) 03:26, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
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As the arch-enemy of a Top importance character (Captain America), the Red Skull should be listed as High-importance, as the arch-rivals of all other top importance characters are. I ask whoever keeps setting the importance to mid and low, please stop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.208.232.14 ( talk) 07:18, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
The live-action movie summary makes NO SENSE. Well, it makes some but is convoluted. (I think that might more be a problem with the movie's script itself, as opposed to the entry) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.24.94 ( talk) 08:44, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I notice there is no "Other Media" section.(preceding unsigned comment by 24.147.140.206 {{{2}}})
"The Red Skull was recently assassinated by the mysterious Winter Soldier, under orders from the former Soviet general Alexander Lukin, who wanted to possess the Cosmic Cube. He was literally confirmed as dead on the panel, but whether he will stay dead remains to be seen"
Due to his dealings with Arnim Zola, I suspect he can just teleport his mind into a cloned body.
There is a lot of information missing from this artical but i do not have enough information to updates this.
what i do know...
-The red skull was alive on the captain america comics of the 90's (possible alt. universe)
-in these comics he possesed great power as he has been bonded to the Cosmic Cube.
I removed this line: "However, while the English name sounds rather menacing, the German name does not." from the trivia section. That's really an opinion. I would think that a German speaker would find the German name just as menacing, and that line doesn't add anything useful to the entry anyway. 147.240.236.9 17:19, 20 April 2006 (UTC)Roy
I changed it from "Arab youth" to "Persian youth". Obviously because the character was not an Arab.
This article is very difficult to follow for anyone not already knowledgeable about the character. It would probably be easier to read if it followed real-world chronology, describing the character as he was potrayed in the 1940's first and not mentioning any retcons until they actually occured in real-world time. I think this would be a lot more readable than there was the first but then later it was decided the first was the second and there was a new first then second reappeared but some people now call the second the third and call the fake skull (who was originally the same as the first) the second.
The Gentleman was an original character created for the Spiderman novels "Revenge of the Sinister Six" and "Secret of the Sinister Six". And Marvel doesn't consider the novels canon. So I don't think it should be here? 99.245.168.32 16:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)Angelwings
91.105.141.42 19:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)Shouldn't the interview mentioned below be referenced? I've tried to find the interview online, but to no avail.
'Red Skull is one of several Silver Age Marvel characters not to have an Ultimate Marvel counterpart. In an interview given shortly after the launch of "The Ultimates", Mark Millar had singled out Red Skull, along with Doctor Doom, as the only "traditional" Marvel villains he would be willing to use in the pages of the series.'
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I've noticed Wiki discourages Trivia, so any thoughts on moving the game and Ultimates info into Other media and dropping the German name? Possibly the Ultimates note could be given its own small section at the end of the main bio, although I'm still unclear as to EXACTLY what constitutes "Other" media, seeing how Ultimates is still part of the Marvel Universe... I'll give it a day or two for input before making any changes. Enigmatic2k3 ( talk) 23:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
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Is "Dell Rusk" truly a reference to Dean Rusk or merely a great coincidence? I can't find any citation that Johns intended this as a reference. Only a few instances are found online where anyone made the connection if it truly was intended. By definition, DEAN Rusk is NOT an anagram of Red Skull, (but DELL Rusk is). You cannot rearrange DEAN Rusk in any way for it to become RED SKULL. So either delete all references to anagrame altogether (if the wiki community decides that there is not enough reference to support this) or at least keep the correct anagram, the DELL one - not the DEAN one. By the way, in another wiki page, on the biography of the actual DEAN Rusk - the 1960s US Secretary of State, there was a claim under "In popular culture" that he (or his name) inspires the name Red Skull in the comic. So if the anagram thoery is consdiered not sufficiently validated here, the biography of the historical Dean Rusk should be revised as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.253.11.18 ( talk) 07:01, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
I really believe the first appearance of the Schmidt Red Skull is YOUNG ALLIES COMICS #1 not CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS # 7. YAC#1 was published in summer of 1941, while CAC#7 was published in October of 1941. Giantdevilfish ( talk) 21:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
-nomination/merge - the information on Albert Malik is a virtual reduplication of that already on the Red Skull page, which is fairly clear and consise, as is. Malik's signicance and notabilty dimishes without the greater context of the Red Skull to surround him. - 66.109.248.114 ( talk) 22:06, 13 January 2008 (UTC).
I'd just as soon separate all of the Malik information in this article and expand the other one. As is, this article is somewhat confusing due to the fact that there are three Skulls mentioned. There is no way we should have two equally relavent characters sharing one article. Does anyone know which Skull was involved with Captain America's death, by the way? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.192.181.59 ( talk) 19:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
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According to The Steranko History of Comics Jack Kirby's friend, Ed Herron wrote a few Captain America stories, and he created the Red Skull. (The Steranko History of Comics, p. 53) Vegas Bleeds Neon ( talk) 17:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
You cannot twist the spelling of "Dean Rusk" in anyway to spell "Red Skull". So it is not an anagram of one another. Furthermore, if it is not sifficiently validated, it should be deleted, out of respect of the actual late Secretary of State Dean Rusk and his family, who probably would not be very pleased with having their relative cited as the inspiration of a comic book villain. I notice that similar entry about Dean Rusk and Red Skull in another wiki webpage on the real Dean Rusk's biographaphy has also been deled. 182.253.11.18 ( talk) 08:49, 3 April 2012 (UTC) a real life diplomat who also likes comics
Since the majority of the article is about the Schmidt character, and the minor characters Maxon and Malik are summarized in small paragraphs in the "Other Red Skulls" section, shouldn't the lead and infobox focus on only the Schmidt character? - Fandraltastic ( talk) 22:38, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
The article is clearly about the Schmidt character rather than any of the lesser Red Skulls, including the first one, but should this distinction be clarified in the lede? The statement "The Red Skull [...] first appeared in Captain America Comics #7" is, in one sense, inaccurate. Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 11:04, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
This is wrong. Red Skull appeared before issue #7. He was definitely in #3. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.170.255 ( talk) 18:29, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
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Seems a bizzare question but.. when exactly was first mentioned the real name of the Red Skull?
In comics books of '40 ,AFAIK, the only real name mentioned is "George Maxon".. (the '50 we know are fake Skull, so unimportant).. the classic Tales of Suspense#65-66, (May, 1965) shows the history of Red Skull (but without names)...
(AFAIK) the first run that explains details and names are the comic books about Mother Superior, the daughter of Red Skull .. aka Captain America #298-300 (1984).. where is revealed that Red Skull is Johann Shmidt.
Some following "official" books, as OHOTMU of 1987 (and 1989 and more), filed "red skull" as Johann Shmidt ... Ironically even some of the references mentioned in this page, actually show Shmidt instead of Schmidt ... like marvel.com and marvunapp.com. A good reading about the "identity problem" of red skull (and cap) is http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/rskul2.htm.
For some reason (that i don't know, and i'd LIKE to know) the "Schmidt" variant was became famous.. since the comic book "Red Skull: Incarnate" (of Pak, 2011) uses Johann Schmidt, instead.
There is some run that predates Cap#298-300 that reveals Schmidt as real name? -- Spiderscai ( talk) 23:44, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm not touching it anymore since we have a youngin who reverts all edits and thinks he is "Keeper of the skull." Captain America #7 was not a notable Red Skull appearance and no explanation is made for his return in the issue. Where this information is should be cited. Johan Schmidt it not mentioned in this issue of Captain America, as I own the masterworks copy. Whoever has plastered this all over the article has not cited it. If we are talking about Captain America Tales of Suspense 65, Red Skull claims he was merely posing as George Maxon. The facts in this article aren't correct. Rickyar ( talk) 14:21, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Shouldn't the name be Schmidt? 2409:4060:2EC3:EE0F:792B:2BBF:96B4:E76A ( talk) 03:26, 25 March 2024 (UTC)