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Seeing as this is a major debate among various contributors, I believe we should all come to a solid conclusion as to what the Red Hot Chili Peppers are, and what the "Genre" section of the Info-box will read. In my opinion, the band was never pop, but rather mellowed out considerably during By the Way. Really, it is my belief that many people draw their conclusions that it is pop from the calm nature of the album. This is an open debate, so please, voice your opinion. NSR77 ( Talk| Contribs) 19:47, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
i've already say in past, for me By the way is a typical pop rock album..pop rock as the word say is a mix of pop and rock..i'm not talk abou ballads (tear,dosed..) but in general By the way apart the titletrack,cantstop,throw away (more funk) and don't forget (very particular) is full of tracks that mix mainly rock and pop.
maybe a lot of you thing pop=britney spears,christina aguilera ecc...that is "Teen Pop" only a small part of "Pop".
is not only a fact of mellowed and calm..the "rock" sound difference, more energic,agressive or particular.
i was write somewhere here in wiki a list of review of BTW and Stadium arcadium where critics describe albums or song as pop rock.
pop rock could be describe also "mainstream rock" as "popular rock", what is that make difference between the typical (and always described) "pop rock" band like U2 or REM and post '00 chili peppers? i think nothing..obviously any band have a personal sound (more epic and '80 for U2, more eclectic and acoustic for REM or more funky oriented for RHCP).
for Genre in general i think that must write: - Funk Metal, is not a genre but a movement,a scene with a lot of different band (who more punk, who more metal (example Extrema) oriented) that mixing Funk with Rock (hard,metal,punk) in late '80.RHCP was maybe the biggest band of that scene, so i think it must write. - Alternative Rock, maybe..yes they was "alternative"..but i think that the alternative is dead now..alternative lived well in '80 and in '90...and i think chili peppers post' 00 aren't alternative...but we could leave it write. - Rock...is a bit general,i think we could delete it. - Funkcore, for me shoud be write...they was on Funk metal scene but their sound never be "metal", they never played metal so the genre "funcore" is more precise,becouse they mainly mix Funk,Punk,Rock and rap and in their early interview or critcs reviews they always be described as a mix of Funk and Hardcore...but i think that "funkcore" is good only for '80 rhcp. - Funk Rock..this is the best descripition of chili peppers music from '90 to now, i think we leave it write. - rapcore...yes Anthony use "rap" or pseudorap in a lot of his melodies (above all in old recording) and he say a lot of times that he use rap because he haven't a talented voice and he have a lot influences from Kurtis Blow and other rappers. more rhcp with other bands have influenced a big part of '90 and '00 rapcore bands like limp bizkit & co...so IMHO we should write also Rapcore..
thats all, waiting for other comments
Zagozagozago
I don't think that the RHCP are "pop". They are a good band, but I don't know if you can compare them to the Beatles. Even people that don't usually listen to music have at least heard of the Beatles, but I don't think you can say the same thing about the RHCP. Not that they're bad or anything, though. I think their genre is funk rock. I remember Anthony saying something about their genre in an interview...if anyone else knows it please put it up here. Jedi_feline | Talk 07:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
RHCP is a rock band; we can all agree on that. Beyond that? Their primary genre is alternative rock. In fact, they were partly responsible for its breakthrough, with the success of BloodSugarSexMagik and their stint on Lollapalooza in 1992. Funk metal is more specific a nd very accurate given the band's influences, but some sources, most notably Allmusic.com consider it a form of alternative rock anyway. So I would say "Rock, alternative rock, funk metal" are adequate enough genres for the infobox. WesleyDodds 09:25, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
ok but if we write only Alt rock,Rock,funk metal we miss all rap vines (rapcore), all punk (funkcore) vibes...more we continue to not describe the post '00 rhcp that couldn't described as Alt rock (they aren't alternative now), funk metal (funk metal die a lot of years a go and chili stop to play it a lot of years ago)..and miss al the pop sound of last albums..
so for me we can delete Rock (too generic and similar at alternative rock) and modify Alternative rock in Alternative Pop Rock for describe post '00 chili peppers, for the rest i'm for write funk rock (their mainly sound in '90),funk metal (their music scene in '80) for sure, and adding funkcore (describe better their sound in '80) and rapcore (for dont forget that the 80% of vocal lines before middle '90 was simil rap and dont forget all the influences for late '90 rapmetal bands..)
Zagozagozago
So, what we Decide??
i'm for
i know they are 6..but they are always cited as one of the biggest and more rappresentative bands at least of first 5 genre..deleting one of this we don't rappresenting well the sound of peppers. this are my Imho..we can do some "voting"? Zagozagozago
"By The Way"
"la band si è adattata al pop-rock odierno" "lavori prettamente pop-rock come Universally Speaking (ultimo singolo estratto), This Is The Place e Dosed" "I Could Die For You e Tear, altra chicca pop-rock" "Il pop-rock inconcepibile nei primi album per una band che della fisicità e del crossover faceva la sua forza"
"With the accomplished, insanely melodic By the Way, the Red Hot Chili Peppers dive headfirst into the pop realm"
"arrangements all distilled through the band's well-traveled funk-pop stylings"
"Stadium Arcadium"
"the Chilis transmute their funk/rap/metal into a mellower, 'popular' pop with deceptive ease"
"the appropriation of classic Cali-pop melodies and harmonies on 2002’s By the Way"
"hard pop ("Snow [Hey Oh]")"
for other reviews..just go on goolge Zagozagozago
in this case pop rock = mix elements typical of pop and rock -BY THE WAY
i think that By the way is a personal (some funk,some rap,some other) "Pop Rock" album..in general but little various Stadium Arcadium too.
I know, is only 2 albums but from 2000 to date are 7 years..they played FunkMetal or Funkcore for 7 years (1984-1991) so i think have the same rilevance. i think that from 2000 to now they are in general becomed a pop rock band as U2,as REM or Oasis.. they left almost all funkmetal,funkcore or rapcore sounds presents only sometimes and only in a slight dilution way. Zagozagozago
so for example
None of those song classifications are anything but your own opinion. Hell, I could easily contradict every single one.
NSR77 (
Talk|
Contribs)
14:10, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I think the problem here stems from the idea of genres not being cited. Allmusic cites genres. The article didn't have any problems with this when people just left the cited things alone, but once opinions get involved, we have debates like this. Please read WP:NOR. It will make the world a better place. ColbeagleTheEagle 21:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
How about instead of changing it back and forth, we leave it without saying pop until we come to a mutual agreement? And I opted to leaving pop out since there are only a couple of people who think so. MiTfan3
OK, how about we meet each other half way, pop just seems like a misinterpretation, I listed it as Easy listening, which I feel defines the more melodic and slow feel the band has made these past albums. - MiTfan3
Zago, you have started an enormous editing war from your ideas on their pop influences. You are the only one who feels this way, and I'm not the only one who believes pop should be removed. Please stop putting it back, because it will be removed again and again and again. NSR77 ( Talk| Contribs) 14:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
i don't added rapcore article but for ColbeagleTheEagle..you write "Removing uncited "rapcore". If you have an opinion on the band's genre, please discuss it on the Talk Page. Thank you" ..for real rapcore is cited in a lot of sites..for example allmusic.com. about "Pop" i don't want to try more...is a game loose at the start..i remain with the idea that this article don't explain so well their music evolution into a melodic/radio-friendly sound. User:Zagozagozago
Stadium Arcadium :
"“Slow Cheatin’”, gioiellino pop con melodia indimenticabile" "divertito funk-pop “Hump de Rump”" "solita stucchevole dose di pop" "Kiedis indeciso tra rap e pop" "che infarcisce di effetti e accordi una melodia pop"
"Dopotutto “Californication” era pieno di belle melodie e ritornelli pop"
"Sottogenere: pop" "sono oggi i RHCP, banda funky-pop e melodica"
"Rimasta costante la deriva Pop" "se il bieco Pop (quel Funk è solo un travestimento, purtroppo) di “Charlie”" "vecchi Red Hot rimangono insostituibili, che suonino Funk, Hardcore, Pop, Rap, Metal"
"questo flagrante outing pop" "validissimo, da un punto di vista pop"
"from their earlier, funnier funk-metal stuff to soul-baring "Under the Bridge"-style balladry to Californicating vocal harmony pop" "Make You Feel Better," a Sixties-influenced pop"
"loro svolta pop si ha con By the Way" "uale strizza l’occhio tanto al passato funky del quartetto, quanto al pop da hit parade"
"askew mid-tempo pop. Fitting examples abound on Stadium Arcadium" "once-renowned rhythm section into slick California contempo-pop"
"alternately spacey and sunny pop, ballads, and the occasional funk"
"spiritual pop epiphanies (Stadium Arcadium)"
"The title track, "Desecration Smile," and "She Looks To Me" finds them venturing further into laid back pop ballad territory
"On Stadium Arcadium, you’ll find a mix of ballads, pop, and the funkalicious music" "Make You Feel Better” has a pop-rock style that I find reminiscent of The Beatles"
"THe hard-pumping funk-punk lunacy of their early days and the stylish pop-rock of their recent discs"!!!! "The former is a little poppier and funkier" "If, She Looks to Me and Snow ((Hey Oh)) renew their pop credentials"
By The Way (i don't have time to search all reviews..) so only one example: http://www.fazed.com/music/bytheway.html "he synthesis of their punk-funk core sound with the intricate, textured pop arrangements and vocal harmonies" "the tender, nostalgic embrace of pop—“Minor Thing,” “The Zephyr,” ‘By the Way”"
Was " Love Rollercoaster" recorded with Dave Navarro? 75pickup ( talk · contribs) 75pickup 01:39, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes it was - MiTfan3, 26 March 2007
I propose we only list b-sides that have been released or talked about by the band, if the latter, it must be citated. - MiTfan3
Hi, I added a comment to the
Quixoticelixer discussion page, could someone who knows what they're doing (unlike myself) please check it out, Thanks.
It's enormous lol, someone added like two extra paragraphs that are already covered in the remainder of the article, the original parah (the short first one) i thought was more than enough.
That's the point of an intro paragraph, it summarizes what the whole article is about/saying. No, its not perfect, it needs work, consider it a rough draft. - MiTfan3
I thought the point of an intro paragraph would be to sum up the Red Hot Chili Peppers as a band, not elaborate on the firings and drug problems of individual members 1337wesm 11:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Fixed St. Jimmy 18:44, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
someone put it back... great, an angry reverter 1337wesm 21:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
The extra two paragraphs go into way too much detail about the band's lineup for an intro section. It should not remain. -- Mattarata 21:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Genre on Introduction...ok maybe Pop Rock as a Genre is wrong..but how a lot of you say there are a lot of Pop Rock elements in their last album..so we could write it in introduction..don0t know why NSR77 delete it..
do you really thing that there is more HEAVY METAL elements than Pop rock?? (there are almost 0 heavy metal elements on chili peppers music...
so or delete also Heavy Metal or write also pop rock.
Zagozagozago
yes but only OHM have some heavy metal (more hard rock oriented..) elements,only navarro..only 1 album.. in '80 wasn't metal elements (apart 3-4 guitar riffs) but hardcore punk elements,instead pop elements are in at least 2 albums (last 2) and also in some californication songs) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zagozagozago ( talk • contribs) 07:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC).
people continue to delete "pop" on introduction..what about "pop" elemets on introduction page?? like " punk, funk, heavy metal, rap and in later years pop"..for me is right..the first 4 are the biggest one in their career (heave metal not so much..almost nothing so i'm for sobstitue it with hard rock or also only rock), pop elements only il later years..i'm not talking about latin elements (cabron), ska elements (on mercury) or other..pop elements are big in a lot of peppers last songs..
Zagozagozago
07:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The intro should be a summary of who and what the Chilis are and nothing more/less St. Jimmy 21:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok,so "the band has fused various elements of punk, funk, heavy metal and rap, and in later years with more melodic and accessible sound" is ok for all?? for me is good but i dunno if it is in a good english.comments??
We ought to change the web references to the cite web format. They currently seem to be in quite a mess at the moment. CloudNine 09:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Can someone please protect this article, a user is trolling and reverting every change that is made. I am tired of having my edits deleted. It would save a lot of time and stress just to protect the article.
Giggles Talk 19:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The title does not distort the info box. It flows perfectly. And if you havn't noticed, band logo's are an accepted thing to do: My Chemical Romance R.E.M. Green Day Dire Straits Fall Out Boy etc.
-- Giggles Talk 21:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
or you could lick my nine.-- Giggles Talk 19:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
that the Chili Peppers basic genre is funk-rock and use that in the infobox. Anytime they were influnced by anything else should be mentioned in the body of the article. St. Jimmy 21:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree with St. Jimmy. Jedi_feline | Talk 11:09, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I could go for that, provided it is mentioned that there have been a lot of variations in their genres over the years. 203.184.38.46 10:20, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Should the death of sanji-lee be put in here somewere? He died while lining up for red hot chili pepper tickets in Whangarei, New Zealand by a hit and run driver. Shiny Red Ball 10:12, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes although tragic, no value to the band itself. Carrotcrow13 10:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Would it be reasonable to include a Halloween article in the main current secton for the band? As an attende I would say it was historical and every band member dressed up. Including many a fan. Also Flea played bass while swinging from the ceiling. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Carrotcrow13 ( talk • contribs) 10:13, 16 April 2007 (UTC).
Lots of bands do that, like 311. It's nothing historically ground breaking, so it shouldn't be placed on the main article. -MiTfan3
I just read the article, and I noticed a lot of sections are pretty immature. Particularly the technique section, to be specific, I'm talking about the Chad Smith section. I don't think it is necessary to say that he CAN play 'flashy' fills. Everyone in the band seems to be practicing a minimalist style as of late (save John, at present). The maturity level of the article should be raised, as a favor to the fans who aren't fan-boys concerned about what some musically impaired kids think about Chad Smith's playing. Another thing, it's not like Flea has developed the ability to play chords recently, that's just where he is musically at the moment. I really wish Flea would do some sessions with jazz musicians... -Brookman
Hi. I just create an account to say that I was reading the article and discovered what it says about Flea playing chords, and the info is correct but not quite. It is true that Flea has progressed in technique and now plays chords, but not on any of the songs that are mentioned. What he plays in those songs are harmonic intervals and not chords; actual chords require three different notes. What he does are called double stops. So is not the most important thing but I just tought you shoould know. Thank you.
Richirare 19:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)richirare
Also, I just got the live DVD a few days ago, and I'm pretty sure he plays chords in "Don't Forget Me".. He barres a string and forms a shape with two more, which seems to me like a chord. I don't know about the other songs, but I can testify for the one. ColbeagleTheEagle 22:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi and thanks for your reply. Music Theory is the same for every instrument, some instruments use chords almost always, like a piano, and some others cannot even play a chord, like a flute. I play chords a lot in my bass and eventhough is more difficult than with a guitar, is possible. An yes, Flea plays Don't Forget Me in a way that seems like he is playing chords, but he is not; (The rest of the fingers are actually mutting the rest of the strings, not pressing them down. The bass line are 4 double stops (A-E, Eb-C, C-G and G-D) I play it that way and thats the way its writen in the Hal Leonard Score. Anyway tomorrow I'll get Stadium Arcadium bass score and I will review it page by page to look for actual bass chords. And I already know one song which uses chords for sure: Animal Bar; the first and main bass line is a D Major 7th chord without 3rd, but instead of struming it, he plays it note by note BUT sustaining them, and because the notes get to sound in the same moment in time the ear gets those 3 notes not as a melodic interval, but as an armonic one, and because there are three different notes, we can call that a chord, and its played by Flea, so I was wrong, he has gotten to the point where he is playing chords. I'm not really the kind of people who likes very much to write stuff, so if anyone wants to update the wikipedia with this info I totally agree with it. Thanks again for your reply.
Richirare 22:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)richirare
Thanks for the tip about the tildes, je. Well I've been scaning the bass score and Flea uses chords in Animal Bar and If (with the same technique I explained for Animal Bar). So I think you could say that Flea has recently incorporated chords to his bass lines in this last record. Also, after checking out some of Flea's basslines I would mention the influence of John's style in Flea, where now you can see Flea playing double stops in the first and fourth string with sustained notes and portamentos (Hard To Concentrate, for example, is basicly this style of playing within bass context). John gave birth to this particular style in his solo records and in some Red Hot songs (Scar Tissue intro is an excellent example). After all this years it was inevitable that they would influence each other. So thanks again. Pleassure.
Richirare 22:42, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Everybody should see this video to get a final response from Flea himself
http://bassplayer.tv/index.html?req=1&station=flea&video=bassplayer/flea/flea8
I don't agree with the answer, but he knows what genre his band is doing nowdays
I would say that the Chili Peppers have progressed in time from genre to genre, keeping the Funk-Rock as basis and leaning over a third genre that changes through time with more or less enphasis on this last one. I would say it like this:
'85 to '91: Funk-Punk-Rock '91 to '94: Funk-Rock-Alternative '94 to '99: Alternative-Rock-Funk '99 to '02: Rock-Funk-Alternative '02 to '06: Pop-Funk-Rock Nowdays: Pop-Funk-Rock
I don't know if anyone would agree with me but that's my opinion asnyways. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richirare ( talk • contribs) 20:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC).
Everybody should see this video to get a final response from Flea himself
http://bassplayer.tv/index.html?req=1&station=flea&video=bassplayer/flea/flea8
I don't agree with the answer, but he knows what genre his band is doing nowdays
I would say that the Chili Peppers have progressed in time from genre to genre, keeping the Funk-Rock as basis and leaning over a third genre that changes through time with more or less enphasis on this last one. I would say it like this:
'85 to '91: Funk-Punk-Rock '91 to '94: Funk-Rock-Alternative '94 to '99: Alternative-Rock-Funk '99 to '02: Rock-Funk-Alternative '02 to '06: Pop-Funk-Rock Nowdays: Pop-Funk-Rock
I don't know if anyone would agree with me but that's my opinion asnyways.
Richirare 20:59, 16 April 2007 (UTC)richirare
* Freaky Styley Funk,rapcore,funkmetal,funkcore,alternative rock * Uplift funkmetal,funkcore,rapcore,alternative rock * Mother funkmetal,funkcore,rapcore,alternative rock * BSSM funkmetal,funk rock,rapcore,alternative rock * OHM funkrock,hard rock, psychedelic rock,rapcore,alternative rock * Californicatio Alternative Rock,Funk Rock,rapcore * BTW : Alternative Rock,Pop Rock * Stadium Arcadium : Alternative Rock,Pop Rock,Funk Rock
"However, regardless of the massive success it was coupled with, the album was criticized for its monotonous and overindulgent nature; almost as though it were circuitous in terms of energy; rambling without any true purpose." This sentence is not NPOV, it states as fact that the album was "monotonous and overindulgent," even though this is just the opinion of just one reviewer. Also the album probably revieved more positive reviews than negative, apart from the fact that the cited review for the statement actually gave the album 3.5/5. So for these reasons i am going to remove the afore mentioned sentence. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Leakeyjee ( talk • contribs) 03:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC).
Can someone cite when he played for them? I have NEVER heard of him playing for the Chili's. If he actually did, then its cool. Cdylan13 15:42, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
He played with them in rehearsals, in the same sense that Jesse Tobias, Blackbird, etc., meaning they didn't accomplish anything musically together. They were just killing time. I think that these types of members, and touring members such as Arik Marshall, should be considered seperately since they never became part of the Peppers the way Jack Irons, Hillel, and Dave Navarro were (In my opinion these are the only three who are truly "former members" of the RHCP).
Ok I get you. But You gotta include Cliff Martinez and Jack Sherman in that "true" list because they were both on a record with them. In fact Cliff was on more RHCP albums than Jack and Dave, not giving him any more credit than the others though.
Cdylan13
05:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
i've added this section under music style
"Red Hot Chili Peppers started as an Hardcore band that fused many elements of black music as Funk and rap with white rock elements as Punk Rock and Hard Rock.
Their biggest influences was funk stars like Funkadelic and Sly Stone, hardcore punk bands like Black Flag,Bad Brains and Big Boys, post-punk bands like Gang Of Four and Talking Heads, late '60 rock acts like Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix and The Stooges and rappers like Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five and Kurtis Blow.
In late '80 they played similar to their contemporaries Fishbone and Faith No More and were considers one of the fathers and kingpins of the Funk Metal scene, in particular of the subgenres Funkcore and Rapcore, all genres commonly associates at the word "Crossover" becoming big influences on nineties bands like 311, Infectious Grooves, Rage Against the Machine, Incubus, Hot Action Cop and in general in a lot of Rap Metal and Nu Metal Bands.
In the early '90 they were considers one of the biggest bands of Alternative Rock scene become huge thanks to the Nirvana, Pearl Jam and themselves successes, in particular throughout the years they became less heavy, crazy and energetic increasing the melodic and smooth side carrying theirs sound more towards an accessible and radio-friendly Funk Rock."
for me is good,complete and shortest as possible, any comment?tnx! Zagozagozago
I think its a good section, nice work. -MiTfan
I am adding back the picture I added before. It's a good picture, better than the one now. The one now is dark, and you can't really see John's or Anthony's faces. It's a bad picture, but my picture has better lighting, and you can clearly see all their faces. Why would you revert it back to that old ugly thing? Xihix 16:57, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
What happened? i made a major overhaul of the history of RHCP (Red Hot Chili Peppers) and my name is not registered and the changes aren't mine? i thought i made a serious addition to society....:( -- Joechang123
Firstly, it's far too long. Secondly, it contains info that needn't be in the intro. St. Jimmy 20:19, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
The consensus seems to be that the intro does need some editing (I think it's an embarrassment). Why then do you (Xihix) keep doing this? http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3ARed_Hot_Chili_Peppers%2Fto_do&diff=132528360&oldid=132525614 St. Jimmy 20:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
It's NOT embarrassing. It's a perfectly fine intro! It's long? Too fucking bad, it has all the info that is needed for an intro. Why do people keep wanting to change everything when its PERFECTLY FINE!? Xihix 22:06, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I think it goes too far into the details e.g. about Frusciante's drug addiction which shouldn't be mentioned until later in the article. St. Jimmy 20:12, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Far into details? It talks about his addiction for a sentence, then how Flea told him to go to rehab. Xihix 16:25, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
now is: "Throughout their career, the band has fused rock with various elements of punk rock, funk, alternative rock and psychedelic rock." imho have no sense say "fused rock with alternative rock" alternative rock was only the no-mainstream rock in late '80 and '90..but is a generic terme, good for a generic genre but not for explain their sound..their sound was rock mixed at funk,rap and punk..all together do a substyle of alternative rock..alternative rock is too big..grunge was alternative rock, indie rock was alternative rock,post-hardcore was alternative rock and the same funk metal was part of alternative rock. for me is better "Throughout their career, the band has fused rock with various elements of punk rock, funk, rap and psychedelic rock." Zagozagozago
The song Rivers Of Avalon from Funky Monks has the same melody as This is the Place from By The Way. Could we put this on this wiki??
The improvisation section is fairly wrong. RHCP do not improvise, their 'extended jams' and extensions to songs may seem improvised, but are all basically made once and repeated throughout the rest of their touring careers. In their Stadium Arcadium tour, I heard 'improvised' jams they had done in previous tours AND their 2 live DVDs. Should we take away this section?
I agree with NSR77. RHCP have been improvising forever, and although some may sound alike, they are not the same. John makes a lot of his solos as he goes... It's amazing, but the section should stay. Xihix 21:17, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
i was wondering if anyone knew where the asterisk logo came from? i've looked around for ages and never found any satisfactory explanation... anyone able to help?
The band's then manager, Lindy, came to Anthony one day and said that he needed a shirt design quick, and Anthony drew it up for him. There's a meaning behind it, the usual cliche stuff. Xihix 22:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I read somewhere that Anthony meant it to be an "angel's asshole." All serious, but can't remember or cite where I read it. Anthony was probably making it up anyway.
"regarding the wild, fanatical, and fervent scene that was L.A." Is this POV on Wikipedia's part, or from VH1's Behind the Music? It's not clear, and should be noted. CloudNine 17:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Could someone go through and clean up the references? They're a mess right now. 36 and 37 are the same thing. So are 53 and 54. And probably others. There are also no retrieval dates for any of the links. ShadowHalo 17:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Music Style section is mostly uncited. Good work on the history though, and speaking of history you may have to fix the History tool at the top as I'm unfamiliar with it. Alientraveller 18:02, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, it's sort of hard to source things that can only be listened to. Just listen to the actual music, and you will see the genres. Xihix 22:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
imho should be good diversificate Ealry materia with later sound..there is too difference! Funkcore,rapcore and funk metal should be under "EARLY" and Funk rock,alternative rock under "LATER", if no seems that they continue to play funkcore,rapcore and funkmetal that is untrue.
How can I criticize the logo in the article? I know how it was made, why, etc... But, where would I? I also have a source. Xihix 17:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys. I have been looking around, and I've seen a few different sources on the album sales. For example, the RIAA (the official dudes who actually keep record of the sales) say that BSSM has seven platinum, recorded at 04/02/01, which was a while ago. Plus, the link doesn't change, so it would be hard to source it. But, there are other sources that say the album has twelve platinum, which is here at Wikipedia. What should we do? Many places I search on Google also say seven million. Should we change these, or do you guys have a more reliable source than the RIAA? Then again, the number is from about six years ago so sales could have gone up more since, but I really doubt it could sell five million more copies since then. Xihix 00:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Oh poo, I just noticed... I was reading US sales only! Hmm... Sorry :(... I'm still looking for sources on the record status! Xihix 01:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Yay, I found one... Ok, really sorry I just spammed all this for no reason. :( Xihix 01:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't really think it needs to be revamped... Well, if it does, how so? It currently looks pretty nice. Xihix 03:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
We don't need references in the lead section. The current thinking is that the lead is a summary of the article, and therefore any information in there should appear later in the article with references. CloudNine 07:22, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Everyone should take a gander at WP:LEAD for further detail on what CloudNine's saying. Some things will be need to be cited if they appear in the lead (direct quotes, sales figures), but by and large there shouldn't be a need for citations in that section. WesleyDodds 21:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, but I'm making this new one to just go away from that huge thing up there that seems to have gone nowhere. Now, I think we should just take out the Funk Metal part, and we'll be done with it. Not every RHCP has a "metal" sound to it, very few actually. However, every RHCP song falls either under the "alternative" label or "funk rock" label. Download their entire discography and just listen! Xihix 04:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Why don't we just say "rock"? Every song would fall in the definition of rock, so why don't we just do that? And Zago, stop signing your name like that, just do the dashes everyone else does... Xihix 04:44, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I've counted eight fair use images in this article, which is a little much under fair use; some of the images aren't criticised (such as the Simpsons capture). Do you think we should use a little less? CloudNine 14:58, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
The By the Way one and the one from the Grammys definitely need to go. WesleyDodds 03:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I've opened a RFC on Xihix's behaviour; see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Xihix. CloudNine 14:44, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I've uploaded the logo of RHCP and put it on the article, now somebody removed it. So should we use the logo or just use the text? I'd prefer the logo, but I just needa resize it. Pro Game Master87 07:45, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
The usage of “the” before the title in the introductory text in the article is needed. “The” is a descriptive word and should be used to describe the name of the name of the band. See Eagles and Pixies for similar usage. (SUDUSER) 85 06:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
On the Freaky Styley cover it has 'The Red Hot Chili Peppers', this is also the case for the Abbey Road EP. However, on albums such as Californication and By The Way, the cover clearly has Red Hot Chili Peppers on it. I think that "The Red Hot Chili Peppers" used to be the name of the band, but it was changed, i dont know when or why, though. Jake.rhcp.utd 20:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
The name was never "The Red Hot Chili Peppers" (also, it was on OHM, to add to your list). But, if they were to introduce themselves, they wouldn't say like "We are Red Hot Chili Peppers!" They'd say, "We are the Red Hot Chili Peppers!" However, I wasn't around for the debate on whether or not "the" should have been on the article, but it was decided for it to not be there. Xihix 00:33, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
In the One Hot Minute section, where is says "however, an relationship between (...)," it should read "however, the relationship between (...)." I would have changed it myself, but I do not seem to be able to make any changes to the article from this computer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.204.19 ( talk) 10:44, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
i am the founder of the u2 wikiproject. i am only new to this so im not that good. i have used the template of your project homepage to get me started. i hope this is ok. you can view what i have done by goin to mu project honepage. if the person/s who made this template are not happy with me using it please tell me and i will change it, dont just delete everything! if it is ok for me 2 use, tell me at my talk page. thank you. smithcool 20:11, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
the peppers also played in the 1986 movie tough guys. the club where they play in in the movie is the jigsaw
They also had a cameo in the movie Thrashin' (1986) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.54.155.11 ( talk) 07:05, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Can someone order the former members in the amount of time they were in the band? And like, once it gets to less than a year, in order of who was there earliest? Xihix 01:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Can I add Pop rock to the RHCP, I mean they're leaning towards Pop Rock in their newest material (Californication - present).
Please check the Archive for the debate over this topic. We discussed this as an editing populace, and decided against the inclusion of "Pop Rock". Sources explicitly labeling them as a "pop rock" band are not very easy to come by, and most claims (including your own) of them as pop are based on Original Research. Additionally, please sign your posts in the future by adding four ~'s after your post. Regards, ColbeagleTheEagle 15:19, 10 July 2007 (UTC).
The musical style is full of POV statements. Also some of the descriptions are very esoteric, such as the description of Chad Smith's drumming style as "in-the-pocket". What does that mean? And Chad Smith is the only drummer who's style is described. There should be at least a sentence each for Jack Irons and Cliff Martinez. 75pickup ( talk · contribs) 75pickup 03:07, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Why there isn't rapcore? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.221.55.3 ( talk) 17:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree, rapcore should be there. I know that rapping may be generally considered to be part of funk rock/funk metal (as bands like Faith No More and Rage Against the Machine used rap vocals as well), but it cannot be argued that RHCP haven't used rapping mixed with rock music extensively, so it should be there. James25402 ( talk) 13:11, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I think Rap rock is a better name for the genre. The article Rap Rock has more info. Darky65 ( talk) 10:52, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Should Black Eyed Peas really be there? 85.225.15.85 16:06, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I moved funk metal and funk rock to the top, respectively. Anyway, funk metal is the only genre that is sourced, so it should be at the top. Do I have consensus? Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 03:01, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
They were obviously also rapcore for most of their career (with the exception of their last couple of albums), but I've seen you argue that rapcore needs a source to be included. Why are alt. rock and funk rock fine to go in without a source, yet rapcore isn't? Rapcore is just as obviously a genre they've used as alt. rock and funk rock. James25402 ( talk) 11:15, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
How come rapcore is not listed in the genres? RHCP RULE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.196.83.22 ( talk) 00:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Can someone with access plaese change the first line from "The RHCP is..." to "The RHCP are...". Its more grammatically correct. To have the first line of an encyclopedia article have such a basic grammatical error is ridiculous Parradudes ( talk) 02:27, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I think it should be "The RHCP is" because they are one group composed of four members. For example you don't say "the Parliament are meeting" today. The president's cabinet is meeting today, not are meeting. If you want to use "are" you would need to type, "The members of RHCP are". 74.130.19.106 ( talk) 03:56, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone object to these genres being added? ''I Am The Master Of All Thunder'' ( talk) 11:01, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
In some of their earlier work, they rap. Do I need to provide more information? Thundermaster T R U C 14:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm not. I haved always hated the fact that RHCP are classed as it. Funk metal is FNM and RATM. 10:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC) 08:25, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
They are clearly not the genre. They some songs have elements of metal but personally it's a crap way to describe the band. Thanks for reading, Thundermaster T R U C 10:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Both "Red Hot Chili Peppers is" AND "Red Hot Chili Peppers are" are equally correct. Different style guides handle it differently, and it comes down largely to minute difference between British and American usage. The use of "is" or "are" to describe a group are both equally acceptable usages, so please stop fighting over 2-3 letters in the lead, as the difference is moot. Try to find somewhere else in the article that needs fixing. -- Jayron32| talk| contribs 21:48, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
FYI: On The Smashing Pumpkins we've decided to us the plural, because the name is not a collective noun, but referring to multiple individuals, (or "Pumpkins", so to speak). A band name like No Doubt or Nirvana would of course be singular, but band names that end in "s" and thus imply the plural do sound better when using the plural in prose. For example, you wouldn't say "the New York Yankees is" because multiple individuals are being referred to. WesleyDodds ( talk) 23:55, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
However this ends up (hopefully without further edit warring, because it's lame), this needs to be worked in WP:MUSTARD or another relevant guide. Lara ❤ Love 06:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
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Seeing as this is a major debate among various contributors, I believe we should all come to a solid conclusion as to what the Red Hot Chili Peppers are, and what the "Genre" section of the Info-box will read. In my opinion, the band was never pop, but rather mellowed out considerably during By the Way. Really, it is my belief that many people draw their conclusions that it is pop from the calm nature of the album. This is an open debate, so please, voice your opinion. NSR77 ( Talk| Contribs) 19:47, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
i've already say in past, for me By the way is a typical pop rock album..pop rock as the word say is a mix of pop and rock..i'm not talk abou ballads (tear,dosed..) but in general By the way apart the titletrack,cantstop,throw away (more funk) and don't forget (very particular) is full of tracks that mix mainly rock and pop.
maybe a lot of you thing pop=britney spears,christina aguilera ecc...that is "Teen Pop" only a small part of "Pop".
is not only a fact of mellowed and calm..the "rock" sound difference, more energic,agressive or particular.
i was write somewhere here in wiki a list of review of BTW and Stadium arcadium where critics describe albums or song as pop rock.
pop rock could be describe also "mainstream rock" as "popular rock", what is that make difference between the typical (and always described) "pop rock" band like U2 or REM and post '00 chili peppers? i think nothing..obviously any band have a personal sound (more epic and '80 for U2, more eclectic and acoustic for REM or more funky oriented for RHCP).
for Genre in general i think that must write: - Funk Metal, is not a genre but a movement,a scene with a lot of different band (who more punk, who more metal (example Extrema) oriented) that mixing Funk with Rock (hard,metal,punk) in late '80.RHCP was maybe the biggest band of that scene, so i think it must write. - Alternative Rock, maybe..yes they was "alternative"..but i think that the alternative is dead now..alternative lived well in '80 and in '90...and i think chili peppers post' 00 aren't alternative...but we could leave it write. - Rock...is a bit general,i think we could delete it. - Funkcore, for me shoud be write...they was on Funk metal scene but their sound never be "metal", they never played metal so the genre "funcore" is more precise,becouse they mainly mix Funk,Punk,Rock and rap and in their early interview or critcs reviews they always be described as a mix of Funk and Hardcore...but i think that "funkcore" is good only for '80 rhcp. - Funk Rock..this is the best descripition of chili peppers music from '90 to now, i think we leave it write. - rapcore...yes Anthony use "rap" or pseudorap in a lot of his melodies (above all in old recording) and he say a lot of times that he use rap because he haven't a talented voice and he have a lot influences from Kurtis Blow and other rappers. more rhcp with other bands have influenced a big part of '90 and '00 rapcore bands like limp bizkit & co...so IMHO we should write also Rapcore..
thats all, waiting for other comments
Zagozagozago
I don't think that the RHCP are "pop". They are a good band, but I don't know if you can compare them to the Beatles. Even people that don't usually listen to music have at least heard of the Beatles, but I don't think you can say the same thing about the RHCP. Not that they're bad or anything, though. I think their genre is funk rock. I remember Anthony saying something about their genre in an interview...if anyone else knows it please put it up here. Jedi_feline | Talk 07:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
RHCP is a rock band; we can all agree on that. Beyond that? Their primary genre is alternative rock. In fact, they were partly responsible for its breakthrough, with the success of BloodSugarSexMagik and their stint on Lollapalooza in 1992. Funk metal is more specific a nd very accurate given the band's influences, but some sources, most notably Allmusic.com consider it a form of alternative rock anyway. So I would say "Rock, alternative rock, funk metal" are adequate enough genres for the infobox. WesleyDodds 09:25, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
ok but if we write only Alt rock,Rock,funk metal we miss all rap vines (rapcore), all punk (funkcore) vibes...more we continue to not describe the post '00 rhcp that couldn't described as Alt rock (they aren't alternative now), funk metal (funk metal die a lot of years a go and chili stop to play it a lot of years ago)..and miss al the pop sound of last albums..
so for me we can delete Rock (too generic and similar at alternative rock) and modify Alternative rock in Alternative Pop Rock for describe post '00 chili peppers, for the rest i'm for write funk rock (their mainly sound in '90),funk metal (their music scene in '80) for sure, and adding funkcore (describe better their sound in '80) and rapcore (for dont forget that the 80% of vocal lines before middle '90 was simil rap and dont forget all the influences for late '90 rapmetal bands..)
Zagozagozago
So, what we Decide??
i'm for
i know they are 6..but they are always cited as one of the biggest and more rappresentative bands at least of first 5 genre..deleting one of this we don't rappresenting well the sound of peppers. this are my Imho..we can do some "voting"? Zagozagozago
"By The Way"
"la band si è adattata al pop-rock odierno" "lavori prettamente pop-rock come Universally Speaking (ultimo singolo estratto), This Is The Place e Dosed" "I Could Die For You e Tear, altra chicca pop-rock" "Il pop-rock inconcepibile nei primi album per una band che della fisicità e del crossover faceva la sua forza"
"With the accomplished, insanely melodic By the Way, the Red Hot Chili Peppers dive headfirst into the pop realm"
"arrangements all distilled through the band's well-traveled funk-pop stylings"
"Stadium Arcadium"
"the Chilis transmute their funk/rap/metal into a mellower, 'popular' pop with deceptive ease"
"the appropriation of classic Cali-pop melodies and harmonies on 2002’s By the Way"
"hard pop ("Snow [Hey Oh]")"
for other reviews..just go on goolge Zagozagozago
in this case pop rock = mix elements typical of pop and rock -BY THE WAY
i think that By the way is a personal (some funk,some rap,some other) "Pop Rock" album..in general but little various Stadium Arcadium too.
I know, is only 2 albums but from 2000 to date are 7 years..they played FunkMetal or Funkcore for 7 years (1984-1991) so i think have the same rilevance. i think that from 2000 to now they are in general becomed a pop rock band as U2,as REM or Oasis.. they left almost all funkmetal,funkcore or rapcore sounds presents only sometimes and only in a slight dilution way. Zagozagozago
so for example
None of those song classifications are anything but your own opinion. Hell, I could easily contradict every single one.
NSR77 (
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14:10, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I think the problem here stems from the idea of genres not being cited. Allmusic cites genres. The article didn't have any problems with this when people just left the cited things alone, but once opinions get involved, we have debates like this. Please read WP:NOR. It will make the world a better place. ColbeagleTheEagle 21:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
How about instead of changing it back and forth, we leave it without saying pop until we come to a mutual agreement? And I opted to leaving pop out since there are only a couple of people who think so. MiTfan3
OK, how about we meet each other half way, pop just seems like a misinterpretation, I listed it as Easy listening, which I feel defines the more melodic and slow feel the band has made these past albums. - MiTfan3
Zago, you have started an enormous editing war from your ideas on their pop influences. You are the only one who feels this way, and I'm not the only one who believes pop should be removed. Please stop putting it back, because it will be removed again and again and again. NSR77 ( Talk| Contribs) 14:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
i don't added rapcore article but for ColbeagleTheEagle..you write "Removing uncited "rapcore". If you have an opinion on the band's genre, please discuss it on the Talk Page. Thank you" ..for real rapcore is cited in a lot of sites..for example allmusic.com. about "Pop" i don't want to try more...is a game loose at the start..i remain with the idea that this article don't explain so well their music evolution into a melodic/radio-friendly sound. User:Zagozagozago
Stadium Arcadium :
"“Slow Cheatin’”, gioiellino pop con melodia indimenticabile" "divertito funk-pop “Hump de Rump”" "solita stucchevole dose di pop" "Kiedis indeciso tra rap e pop" "che infarcisce di effetti e accordi una melodia pop"
"Dopotutto “Californication” era pieno di belle melodie e ritornelli pop"
"Sottogenere: pop" "sono oggi i RHCP, banda funky-pop e melodica"
"Rimasta costante la deriva Pop" "se il bieco Pop (quel Funk è solo un travestimento, purtroppo) di “Charlie”" "vecchi Red Hot rimangono insostituibili, che suonino Funk, Hardcore, Pop, Rap, Metal"
"questo flagrante outing pop" "validissimo, da un punto di vista pop"
"from their earlier, funnier funk-metal stuff to soul-baring "Under the Bridge"-style balladry to Californicating vocal harmony pop" "Make You Feel Better," a Sixties-influenced pop"
"loro svolta pop si ha con By the Way" "uale strizza l’occhio tanto al passato funky del quartetto, quanto al pop da hit parade"
"askew mid-tempo pop. Fitting examples abound on Stadium Arcadium" "once-renowned rhythm section into slick California contempo-pop"
"alternately spacey and sunny pop, ballads, and the occasional funk"
"spiritual pop epiphanies (Stadium Arcadium)"
"The title track, "Desecration Smile," and "She Looks To Me" finds them venturing further into laid back pop ballad territory
"On Stadium Arcadium, you’ll find a mix of ballads, pop, and the funkalicious music" "Make You Feel Better” has a pop-rock style that I find reminiscent of The Beatles"
"THe hard-pumping funk-punk lunacy of their early days and the stylish pop-rock of their recent discs"!!!! "The former is a little poppier and funkier" "If, She Looks to Me and Snow ((Hey Oh)) renew their pop credentials"
By The Way (i don't have time to search all reviews..) so only one example: http://www.fazed.com/music/bytheway.html "he synthesis of their punk-funk core sound with the intricate, textured pop arrangements and vocal harmonies" "the tender, nostalgic embrace of pop—“Minor Thing,” “The Zephyr,” ‘By the Way”"
Was " Love Rollercoaster" recorded with Dave Navarro? 75pickup ( talk · contribs) 75pickup 01:39, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes it was - MiTfan3, 26 March 2007
I propose we only list b-sides that have been released or talked about by the band, if the latter, it must be citated. - MiTfan3
Hi, I added a comment to the
Quixoticelixer discussion page, could someone who knows what they're doing (unlike myself) please check it out, Thanks.
It's enormous lol, someone added like two extra paragraphs that are already covered in the remainder of the article, the original parah (the short first one) i thought was more than enough.
That's the point of an intro paragraph, it summarizes what the whole article is about/saying. No, its not perfect, it needs work, consider it a rough draft. - MiTfan3
I thought the point of an intro paragraph would be to sum up the Red Hot Chili Peppers as a band, not elaborate on the firings and drug problems of individual members 1337wesm 11:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Fixed St. Jimmy 18:44, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
someone put it back... great, an angry reverter 1337wesm 21:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
The extra two paragraphs go into way too much detail about the band's lineup for an intro section. It should not remain. -- Mattarata 21:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Genre on Introduction...ok maybe Pop Rock as a Genre is wrong..but how a lot of you say there are a lot of Pop Rock elements in their last album..so we could write it in introduction..don0t know why NSR77 delete it..
do you really thing that there is more HEAVY METAL elements than Pop rock?? (there are almost 0 heavy metal elements on chili peppers music...
so or delete also Heavy Metal or write also pop rock.
Zagozagozago
yes but only OHM have some heavy metal (more hard rock oriented..) elements,only navarro..only 1 album.. in '80 wasn't metal elements (apart 3-4 guitar riffs) but hardcore punk elements,instead pop elements are in at least 2 albums (last 2) and also in some californication songs) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zagozagozago ( talk • contribs) 07:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC).
people continue to delete "pop" on introduction..what about "pop" elemets on introduction page?? like " punk, funk, heavy metal, rap and in later years pop"..for me is right..the first 4 are the biggest one in their career (heave metal not so much..almost nothing so i'm for sobstitue it with hard rock or also only rock), pop elements only il later years..i'm not talking about latin elements (cabron), ska elements (on mercury) or other..pop elements are big in a lot of peppers last songs..
Zagozagozago
07:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The intro should be a summary of who and what the Chilis are and nothing more/less St. Jimmy 21:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok,so "the band has fused various elements of punk, funk, heavy metal and rap, and in later years with more melodic and accessible sound" is ok for all?? for me is good but i dunno if it is in a good english.comments??
We ought to change the web references to the cite web format. They currently seem to be in quite a mess at the moment. CloudNine 09:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Can someone please protect this article, a user is trolling and reverting every change that is made. I am tired of having my edits deleted. It would save a lot of time and stress just to protect the article.
Giggles Talk 19:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The title does not distort the info box. It flows perfectly. And if you havn't noticed, band logo's are an accepted thing to do: My Chemical Romance R.E.M. Green Day Dire Straits Fall Out Boy etc.
-- Giggles Talk 21:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
or you could lick my nine.-- Giggles Talk 19:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
that the Chili Peppers basic genre is funk-rock and use that in the infobox. Anytime they were influnced by anything else should be mentioned in the body of the article. St. Jimmy 21:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree with St. Jimmy. Jedi_feline | Talk 11:09, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I could go for that, provided it is mentioned that there have been a lot of variations in their genres over the years. 203.184.38.46 10:20, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Should the death of sanji-lee be put in here somewere? He died while lining up for red hot chili pepper tickets in Whangarei, New Zealand by a hit and run driver. Shiny Red Ball 10:12, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes although tragic, no value to the band itself. Carrotcrow13 10:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Would it be reasonable to include a Halloween article in the main current secton for the band? As an attende I would say it was historical and every band member dressed up. Including many a fan. Also Flea played bass while swinging from the ceiling. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Carrotcrow13 ( talk • contribs) 10:13, 16 April 2007 (UTC).
Lots of bands do that, like 311. It's nothing historically ground breaking, so it shouldn't be placed on the main article. -MiTfan3
I just read the article, and I noticed a lot of sections are pretty immature. Particularly the technique section, to be specific, I'm talking about the Chad Smith section. I don't think it is necessary to say that he CAN play 'flashy' fills. Everyone in the band seems to be practicing a minimalist style as of late (save John, at present). The maturity level of the article should be raised, as a favor to the fans who aren't fan-boys concerned about what some musically impaired kids think about Chad Smith's playing. Another thing, it's not like Flea has developed the ability to play chords recently, that's just where he is musically at the moment. I really wish Flea would do some sessions with jazz musicians... -Brookman
Hi. I just create an account to say that I was reading the article and discovered what it says about Flea playing chords, and the info is correct but not quite. It is true that Flea has progressed in technique and now plays chords, but not on any of the songs that are mentioned. What he plays in those songs are harmonic intervals and not chords; actual chords require three different notes. What he does are called double stops. So is not the most important thing but I just tought you shoould know. Thank you.
Richirare 19:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)richirare
Also, I just got the live DVD a few days ago, and I'm pretty sure he plays chords in "Don't Forget Me".. He barres a string and forms a shape with two more, which seems to me like a chord. I don't know about the other songs, but I can testify for the one. ColbeagleTheEagle 22:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi and thanks for your reply. Music Theory is the same for every instrument, some instruments use chords almost always, like a piano, and some others cannot even play a chord, like a flute. I play chords a lot in my bass and eventhough is more difficult than with a guitar, is possible. An yes, Flea plays Don't Forget Me in a way that seems like he is playing chords, but he is not; (The rest of the fingers are actually mutting the rest of the strings, not pressing them down. The bass line are 4 double stops (A-E, Eb-C, C-G and G-D) I play it that way and thats the way its writen in the Hal Leonard Score. Anyway tomorrow I'll get Stadium Arcadium bass score and I will review it page by page to look for actual bass chords. And I already know one song which uses chords for sure: Animal Bar; the first and main bass line is a D Major 7th chord without 3rd, but instead of struming it, he plays it note by note BUT sustaining them, and because the notes get to sound in the same moment in time the ear gets those 3 notes not as a melodic interval, but as an armonic one, and because there are three different notes, we can call that a chord, and its played by Flea, so I was wrong, he has gotten to the point where he is playing chords. I'm not really the kind of people who likes very much to write stuff, so if anyone wants to update the wikipedia with this info I totally agree with it. Thanks again for your reply.
Richirare 22:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)richirare
Thanks for the tip about the tildes, je. Well I've been scaning the bass score and Flea uses chords in Animal Bar and If (with the same technique I explained for Animal Bar). So I think you could say that Flea has recently incorporated chords to his bass lines in this last record. Also, after checking out some of Flea's basslines I would mention the influence of John's style in Flea, where now you can see Flea playing double stops in the first and fourth string with sustained notes and portamentos (Hard To Concentrate, for example, is basicly this style of playing within bass context). John gave birth to this particular style in his solo records and in some Red Hot songs (Scar Tissue intro is an excellent example). After all this years it was inevitable that they would influence each other. So thanks again. Pleassure.
Richirare 22:42, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Everybody should see this video to get a final response from Flea himself
http://bassplayer.tv/index.html?req=1&station=flea&video=bassplayer/flea/flea8
I don't agree with the answer, but he knows what genre his band is doing nowdays
I would say that the Chili Peppers have progressed in time from genre to genre, keeping the Funk-Rock as basis and leaning over a third genre that changes through time with more or less enphasis on this last one. I would say it like this:
'85 to '91: Funk-Punk-Rock '91 to '94: Funk-Rock-Alternative '94 to '99: Alternative-Rock-Funk '99 to '02: Rock-Funk-Alternative '02 to '06: Pop-Funk-Rock Nowdays: Pop-Funk-Rock
I don't know if anyone would agree with me but that's my opinion asnyways. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richirare ( talk • contribs) 20:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC).
Everybody should see this video to get a final response from Flea himself
http://bassplayer.tv/index.html?req=1&station=flea&video=bassplayer/flea/flea8
I don't agree with the answer, but he knows what genre his band is doing nowdays
I would say that the Chili Peppers have progressed in time from genre to genre, keeping the Funk-Rock as basis and leaning over a third genre that changes through time with more or less enphasis on this last one. I would say it like this:
'85 to '91: Funk-Punk-Rock '91 to '94: Funk-Rock-Alternative '94 to '99: Alternative-Rock-Funk '99 to '02: Rock-Funk-Alternative '02 to '06: Pop-Funk-Rock Nowdays: Pop-Funk-Rock
I don't know if anyone would agree with me but that's my opinion asnyways.
Richirare 20:59, 16 April 2007 (UTC)richirare
* Freaky Styley Funk,rapcore,funkmetal,funkcore,alternative rock * Uplift funkmetal,funkcore,rapcore,alternative rock * Mother funkmetal,funkcore,rapcore,alternative rock * BSSM funkmetal,funk rock,rapcore,alternative rock * OHM funkrock,hard rock, psychedelic rock,rapcore,alternative rock * Californicatio Alternative Rock,Funk Rock,rapcore * BTW : Alternative Rock,Pop Rock * Stadium Arcadium : Alternative Rock,Pop Rock,Funk Rock
"However, regardless of the massive success it was coupled with, the album was criticized for its monotonous and overindulgent nature; almost as though it were circuitous in terms of energy; rambling without any true purpose." This sentence is not NPOV, it states as fact that the album was "monotonous and overindulgent," even though this is just the opinion of just one reviewer. Also the album probably revieved more positive reviews than negative, apart from the fact that the cited review for the statement actually gave the album 3.5/5. So for these reasons i am going to remove the afore mentioned sentence. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Leakeyjee ( talk • contribs) 03:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC).
Can someone cite when he played for them? I have NEVER heard of him playing for the Chili's. If he actually did, then its cool. Cdylan13 15:42, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
He played with them in rehearsals, in the same sense that Jesse Tobias, Blackbird, etc., meaning they didn't accomplish anything musically together. They were just killing time. I think that these types of members, and touring members such as Arik Marshall, should be considered seperately since they never became part of the Peppers the way Jack Irons, Hillel, and Dave Navarro were (In my opinion these are the only three who are truly "former members" of the RHCP).
Ok I get you. But You gotta include Cliff Martinez and Jack Sherman in that "true" list because they were both on a record with them. In fact Cliff was on more RHCP albums than Jack and Dave, not giving him any more credit than the others though.
Cdylan13
05:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
i've added this section under music style
"Red Hot Chili Peppers started as an Hardcore band that fused many elements of black music as Funk and rap with white rock elements as Punk Rock and Hard Rock.
Their biggest influences was funk stars like Funkadelic and Sly Stone, hardcore punk bands like Black Flag,Bad Brains and Big Boys, post-punk bands like Gang Of Four and Talking Heads, late '60 rock acts like Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix and The Stooges and rappers like Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five and Kurtis Blow.
In late '80 they played similar to their contemporaries Fishbone and Faith No More and were considers one of the fathers and kingpins of the Funk Metal scene, in particular of the subgenres Funkcore and Rapcore, all genres commonly associates at the word "Crossover" becoming big influences on nineties bands like 311, Infectious Grooves, Rage Against the Machine, Incubus, Hot Action Cop and in general in a lot of Rap Metal and Nu Metal Bands.
In the early '90 they were considers one of the biggest bands of Alternative Rock scene become huge thanks to the Nirvana, Pearl Jam and themselves successes, in particular throughout the years they became less heavy, crazy and energetic increasing the melodic and smooth side carrying theirs sound more towards an accessible and radio-friendly Funk Rock."
for me is good,complete and shortest as possible, any comment?tnx! Zagozagozago
I think its a good section, nice work. -MiTfan
I am adding back the picture I added before. It's a good picture, better than the one now. The one now is dark, and you can't really see John's or Anthony's faces. It's a bad picture, but my picture has better lighting, and you can clearly see all their faces. Why would you revert it back to that old ugly thing? Xihix 16:57, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
What happened? i made a major overhaul of the history of RHCP (Red Hot Chili Peppers) and my name is not registered and the changes aren't mine? i thought i made a serious addition to society....:( -- Joechang123
Firstly, it's far too long. Secondly, it contains info that needn't be in the intro. St. Jimmy 20:19, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
The consensus seems to be that the intro does need some editing (I think it's an embarrassment). Why then do you (Xihix) keep doing this? http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3ARed_Hot_Chili_Peppers%2Fto_do&diff=132528360&oldid=132525614 St. Jimmy 20:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
It's NOT embarrassing. It's a perfectly fine intro! It's long? Too fucking bad, it has all the info that is needed for an intro. Why do people keep wanting to change everything when its PERFECTLY FINE!? Xihix 22:06, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I think it goes too far into the details e.g. about Frusciante's drug addiction which shouldn't be mentioned until later in the article. St. Jimmy 20:12, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Far into details? It talks about his addiction for a sentence, then how Flea told him to go to rehab. Xihix 16:25, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
now is: "Throughout their career, the band has fused rock with various elements of punk rock, funk, alternative rock and psychedelic rock." imho have no sense say "fused rock with alternative rock" alternative rock was only the no-mainstream rock in late '80 and '90..but is a generic terme, good for a generic genre but not for explain their sound..their sound was rock mixed at funk,rap and punk..all together do a substyle of alternative rock..alternative rock is too big..grunge was alternative rock, indie rock was alternative rock,post-hardcore was alternative rock and the same funk metal was part of alternative rock. for me is better "Throughout their career, the band has fused rock with various elements of punk rock, funk, rap and psychedelic rock." Zagozagozago
The song Rivers Of Avalon from Funky Monks has the same melody as This is the Place from By The Way. Could we put this on this wiki??
The improvisation section is fairly wrong. RHCP do not improvise, their 'extended jams' and extensions to songs may seem improvised, but are all basically made once and repeated throughout the rest of their touring careers. In their Stadium Arcadium tour, I heard 'improvised' jams they had done in previous tours AND their 2 live DVDs. Should we take away this section?
I agree with NSR77. RHCP have been improvising forever, and although some may sound alike, they are not the same. John makes a lot of his solos as he goes... It's amazing, but the section should stay. Xihix 21:17, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
i was wondering if anyone knew where the asterisk logo came from? i've looked around for ages and never found any satisfactory explanation... anyone able to help?
The band's then manager, Lindy, came to Anthony one day and said that he needed a shirt design quick, and Anthony drew it up for him. There's a meaning behind it, the usual cliche stuff. Xihix 22:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I read somewhere that Anthony meant it to be an "angel's asshole." All serious, but can't remember or cite where I read it. Anthony was probably making it up anyway.
"regarding the wild, fanatical, and fervent scene that was L.A." Is this POV on Wikipedia's part, or from VH1's Behind the Music? It's not clear, and should be noted. CloudNine 17:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Could someone go through and clean up the references? They're a mess right now. 36 and 37 are the same thing. So are 53 and 54. And probably others. There are also no retrieval dates for any of the links. ShadowHalo 17:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Music Style section is mostly uncited. Good work on the history though, and speaking of history you may have to fix the History tool at the top as I'm unfamiliar with it. Alientraveller 18:02, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, it's sort of hard to source things that can only be listened to. Just listen to the actual music, and you will see the genres. Xihix 22:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
imho should be good diversificate Ealry materia with later sound..there is too difference! Funkcore,rapcore and funk metal should be under "EARLY" and Funk rock,alternative rock under "LATER", if no seems that they continue to play funkcore,rapcore and funkmetal that is untrue.
How can I criticize the logo in the article? I know how it was made, why, etc... But, where would I? I also have a source. Xihix 17:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys. I have been looking around, and I've seen a few different sources on the album sales. For example, the RIAA (the official dudes who actually keep record of the sales) say that BSSM has seven platinum, recorded at 04/02/01, which was a while ago. Plus, the link doesn't change, so it would be hard to source it. But, there are other sources that say the album has twelve platinum, which is here at Wikipedia. What should we do? Many places I search on Google also say seven million. Should we change these, or do you guys have a more reliable source than the RIAA? Then again, the number is from about six years ago so sales could have gone up more since, but I really doubt it could sell five million more copies since then. Xihix 00:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Oh poo, I just noticed... I was reading US sales only! Hmm... Sorry :(... I'm still looking for sources on the record status! Xihix 01:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Yay, I found one... Ok, really sorry I just spammed all this for no reason. :( Xihix 01:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't really think it needs to be revamped... Well, if it does, how so? It currently looks pretty nice. Xihix 03:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
We don't need references in the lead section. The current thinking is that the lead is a summary of the article, and therefore any information in there should appear later in the article with references. CloudNine 07:22, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Everyone should take a gander at WP:LEAD for further detail on what CloudNine's saying. Some things will be need to be cited if they appear in the lead (direct quotes, sales figures), but by and large there shouldn't be a need for citations in that section. WesleyDodds 21:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, but I'm making this new one to just go away from that huge thing up there that seems to have gone nowhere. Now, I think we should just take out the Funk Metal part, and we'll be done with it. Not every RHCP has a "metal" sound to it, very few actually. However, every RHCP song falls either under the "alternative" label or "funk rock" label. Download their entire discography and just listen! Xihix 04:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Why don't we just say "rock"? Every song would fall in the definition of rock, so why don't we just do that? And Zago, stop signing your name like that, just do the dashes everyone else does... Xihix 04:44, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I've counted eight fair use images in this article, which is a little much under fair use; some of the images aren't criticised (such as the Simpsons capture). Do you think we should use a little less? CloudNine 14:58, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
The By the Way one and the one from the Grammys definitely need to go. WesleyDodds 03:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I've opened a RFC on Xihix's behaviour; see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Xihix. CloudNine 14:44, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I've uploaded the logo of RHCP and put it on the article, now somebody removed it. So should we use the logo or just use the text? I'd prefer the logo, but I just needa resize it. Pro Game Master87 07:45, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
The usage of “the” before the title in the introductory text in the article is needed. “The” is a descriptive word and should be used to describe the name of the name of the band. See Eagles and Pixies for similar usage. (SUDUSER) 85 06:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
On the Freaky Styley cover it has 'The Red Hot Chili Peppers', this is also the case for the Abbey Road EP. However, on albums such as Californication and By The Way, the cover clearly has Red Hot Chili Peppers on it. I think that "The Red Hot Chili Peppers" used to be the name of the band, but it was changed, i dont know when or why, though. Jake.rhcp.utd 20:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
The name was never "The Red Hot Chili Peppers" (also, it was on OHM, to add to your list). But, if they were to introduce themselves, they wouldn't say like "We are Red Hot Chili Peppers!" They'd say, "We are the Red Hot Chili Peppers!" However, I wasn't around for the debate on whether or not "the" should have been on the article, but it was decided for it to not be there. Xihix 00:33, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
In the One Hot Minute section, where is says "however, an relationship between (...)," it should read "however, the relationship between (...)." I would have changed it myself, but I do not seem to be able to make any changes to the article from this computer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.204.19 ( talk) 10:44, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
i am the founder of the u2 wikiproject. i am only new to this so im not that good. i have used the template of your project homepage to get me started. i hope this is ok. you can view what i have done by goin to mu project honepage. if the person/s who made this template are not happy with me using it please tell me and i will change it, dont just delete everything! if it is ok for me 2 use, tell me at my talk page. thank you. smithcool 20:11, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
the peppers also played in the 1986 movie tough guys. the club where they play in in the movie is the jigsaw
They also had a cameo in the movie Thrashin' (1986) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.54.155.11 ( talk) 07:05, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Can someone order the former members in the amount of time they were in the band? And like, once it gets to less than a year, in order of who was there earliest? Xihix 01:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Can I add Pop rock to the RHCP, I mean they're leaning towards Pop Rock in their newest material (Californication - present).
Please check the Archive for the debate over this topic. We discussed this as an editing populace, and decided against the inclusion of "Pop Rock". Sources explicitly labeling them as a "pop rock" band are not very easy to come by, and most claims (including your own) of them as pop are based on Original Research. Additionally, please sign your posts in the future by adding four ~'s after your post. Regards, ColbeagleTheEagle 15:19, 10 July 2007 (UTC).
The musical style is full of POV statements. Also some of the descriptions are very esoteric, such as the description of Chad Smith's drumming style as "in-the-pocket". What does that mean? And Chad Smith is the only drummer who's style is described. There should be at least a sentence each for Jack Irons and Cliff Martinez. 75pickup ( talk · contribs) 75pickup 03:07, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Why there isn't rapcore? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.221.55.3 ( talk) 17:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree, rapcore should be there. I know that rapping may be generally considered to be part of funk rock/funk metal (as bands like Faith No More and Rage Against the Machine used rap vocals as well), but it cannot be argued that RHCP haven't used rapping mixed with rock music extensively, so it should be there. James25402 ( talk) 13:11, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I think Rap rock is a better name for the genre. The article Rap Rock has more info. Darky65 ( talk) 10:52, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Should Black Eyed Peas really be there? 85.225.15.85 16:06, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I moved funk metal and funk rock to the top, respectively. Anyway, funk metal is the only genre that is sourced, so it should be at the top. Do I have consensus? Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 03:01, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
They were obviously also rapcore for most of their career (with the exception of their last couple of albums), but I've seen you argue that rapcore needs a source to be included. Why are alt. rock and funk rock fine to go in without a source, yet rapcore isn't? Rapcore is just as obviously a genre they've used as alt. rock and funk rock. James25402 ( talk) 11:15, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
How come rapcore is not listed in the genres? RHCP RULE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.196.83.22 ( talk) 00:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Can someone with access plaese change the first line from "The RHCP is..." to "The RHCP are...". Its more grammatically correct. To have the first line of an encyclopedia article have such a basic grammatical error is ridiculous Parradudes ( talk) 02:27, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I think it should be "The RHCP is" because they are one group composed of four members. For example you don't say "the Parliament are meeting" today. The president's cabinet is meeting today, not are meeting. If you want to use "are" you would need to type, "The members of RHCP are". 74.130.19.106 ( talk) 03:56, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone object to these genres being added? ''I Am The Master Of All Thunder'' ( talk) 11:01, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
In some of their earlier work, they rap. Do I need to provide more information? Thundermaster T R U C 14:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm not. I haved always hated the fact that RHCP are classed as it. Funk metal is FNM and RATM. 10:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC) 08:25, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
They are clearly not the genre. They some songs have elements of metal but personally it's a crap way to describe the band. Thanks for reading, Thundermaster T R U C 10:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Both "Red Hot Chili Peppers is" AND "Red Hot Chili Peppers are" are equally correct. Different style guides handle it differently, and it comes down largely to minute difference between British and American usage. The use of "is" or "are" to describe a group are both equally acceptable usages, so please stop fighting over 2-3 letters in the lead, as the difference is moot. Try to find somewhere else in the article that needs fixing. -- Jayron32| talk| contribs 21:48, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
FYI: On The Smashing Pumpkins we've decided to us the plural, because the name is not a collective noun, but referring to multiple individuals, (or "Pumpkins", so to speak). A band name like No Doubt or Nirvana would of course be singular, but band names that end in "s" and thus imply the plural do sound better when using the plural in prose. For example, you wouldn't say "the New York Yankees is" because multiple individuals are being referred to. WesleyDodds ( talk) 23:55, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
However this ends up (hopefully without further edit warring, because it's lame), this needs to be worked in WP:MUSTARD or another relevant guide. Lara ❤ Love 06:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)