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i see alot of song covers being listed, but ive never heard about these covers. take for example the public enemy cover. where is it from? i assume alot of them are live, but i really dont know
Does anyone know why they called the first disc Jupiter and the second disc Mars? It would be a real help if the origins were posted on the website. thx Wikipedia Stubmechanic 01:52, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
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They didn't want to call the discs "Disc 1" and "Disc 2" or A and B - that's why they came up with these names. It was mainly John Frusciante's idea to name them after planets (see recent Q&A at AOL music). He's been into astrology lately and said that the planet Mars stood not only for war but also for standing up for what you think is right. Jupiter is the planet of creativity or something like that. Also, they thought naming one cd 1 and the other 2, meant that the second cd would sound lesser, being number two.
I hope, I could help and it's clear now. :) Unfrieden 20:26, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
i made links to a few names in the second section. ;)
User: The Updater 20:23, 1 April 2006 (AEDT)
This article could be tightened up a bit. Some of it could be moved to the RHCP discograpy page. The history secion is largely redundant with the individual album pages.
maxcap 14:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
I cleaned that section up a bit, removed some POV, copyedited. I also removed the bits about the concerts this year and the SNL appearance, it's just not that important. Although if anyone could find out when their first SNL appearance was that might be worth adding as it's sort of a milestone in a bands career.
maxcap
18:42, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
the sales are Red Hot Chili Peppers - 300 000 units worldwide Freaky Styley - 500 000 units worldwide The Uplift Mofo Party Plan - 750 000 units worldwide Mother's Milk - 2 million units worldwide Blood Sugar Sex Magik - 12 million units worldwide One Hot Minute - 5 million units worldwide Californication - 15 million units worldwide By the Way - 10 million units worldwide Stadium Arcadium - 1 million worldwide data update 15 may 2006
stop change it, with other data, specially with only RIAA data that is only for U.S.A. sales.
for me allmusic list for similar/influenced is a bit wrong..for me was better the last. zagozagozago
I like the idea from an exploratory point of view, but it's still subjective. It's probably better to let the people at All Music Guide be subjective. maxcap 19:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
i put album data in chart in US UK and Germany...maybe is not the better page...for the format of the page. for you is better put it in "red hot chili peppers discography" page?? zagozagozago 21:23, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
ok, i do it zagozagozago 21:47, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
"Dani California" = Plagirised (Don't know if that's spelt right) Version of "Mary-Jane's Last Dance" by Tom Petty. There is a sound file somewhere on Totse.com that shows you this. It talks about how there is the same chord progressions and even sounds the same. Also, the drum beats match up when they are mixed side-by-side. RCHP have now lost my respect. J
Yeah I heard about this and they are almost identical, shouldn't something about this be included in the article? Thunder Cat 09:19, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
http://www.musictimes.com.au/chili-peppers-accused-of-plagiarism/
It should be noted that the chord structure if very common. The singing melodies are completely different and the only thing the same is the verse chord structure. I don't think this is notable or worth including into the article. I really doubt RHCP would intentionally copy Tom Petty. The claim itself is ridiculous. PrettyMuchBryce 08:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Agree! It is just some guy Jared Morris (see http://www.jared-morris.com/") who is getting his 15 minutes fame by making a slanderous accusation. He even sped up the Petty song, to make it fit better his purposes. "Dani" and the Petty song does share the four (very common) shords in the verse. That's it. One could go search for "plagiarism" in jazz, blues, do-wop, etc. and find zillion of songs that sounds the same. This is not the same as plagiarism. In any case, including rumors, allegations and discussions currently floating around on the net should not be included in an encyclopedic article.-- HJ 12:55, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't see it as likely that "dani california" would have existed as it does without the petty song. the second i heard the single on the radio i pointed out the similarity to the person i was in the car with, and this was a few months ago. also, the chord structure isn't THAT common. am, em, dmaj, em. it's no 1-4-5 progression. i can't think of another song i heard with that progression, especially played in an almost identical rhythm. just saying. i'm not out and out accusing the rhcp of plaigarism, they could have unconciously used the chord progression. i'd personally like to hear a comment on the accusations from their camp. anyway, i think it's worth mentioning the debate on their main page, regardless of the veracity, it looks as if petty may take legal action.
did you ever hear the neil hamburger rhcp joke?
what's the difference beetween harriet tubman and the red hot chili peppers?
well, harriet tubman was a heroine to slaves, and the red hot chili peppers were slaves to heroin! -- Friendship hurricane 07:22, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Is it worth mentioning that Andy Gill was the guitarist in Gang of Four, and that Entertainment! was a record that a record Flea cited as one of the biggest influences of the groups early sound? ( Sergelapelle 22:10, 27 May 2006 (UTC))
The TV & Film section is getting a bit out of control. I appreciate the latest additions, but this is growing beyond the scope of the band... Appearances by a member by themselves should be listed on that individual's article, while appearances by the BAND should remain here. Flea in a move; on his page. The band on Simpsons; here.
I'll be taking the machete to that section later in the day, so speak now... Xinit 18:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
We've got to come to some sort of agreement on where to draw the line. Some of the newer additions, while good, are better suited to the individual album pages. The more stuff that gets added just invites people to add more trivial stuff. maxcap 12:18, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
This will never be a good article; too many people are wanting to control it, and now it's filled with pointless information. No it is not getting better, it is getting progressively worse and it is the worst band article of any I have seen on Wikipedia. This is an encylopedia; we're trying to make this an article that the average person that is ignorant to the Red Hot Chili Peppers as a whole would actually be able to learn from and gather from. I'll be willing to work with anyone to create a cohesive and much cleaner rewrite of the entire Red Hot Chili Peppers article. -- Parallel Universe
Not that I am connected to any of the fan sites, I find it wrong that only "stadiumarcadium.com" only gets their links to be posted, while other credible and popular fan sites (such as The Red Hot Stadium, the Italian Red Hot Chili Peppers website, and One Hot Globe news website) gets their links pulled time and time again. It's not fair at all. If no other legitimate fan sites can have their links posted besides StadiumArcadium.com, which is nothing more than an uninformative forum, then NO fan sites, that are equally legitimate (or else they would not be posted here in the first place), should have their links posted. -- Parallel Universe
i agree with Parallel Universe. why is it that "stadiumarcadium.com" is the only fansite that gets to put up their link to their site? there are plenty of other sites and it doesnt have to be just them. everytime i come here i see only stadium-arcadium.com on the external links. but where are the other good sites? nowhere to be found. i am accusing stadium-arcadium.com of being selfish and childish. i believe that all the good RHCP sites deserve a chance to promote their website here. it is absolutely unnaceptable that only one site should be promoted here. --
regrhcp
User Readymade has been blocked for violation of WP:3RR and spamming maxcap 22:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Is Maxcap and Xinit are the patron saints of this page or something? As far as I am concerned, this page is still garbage.
no theyre dicks. -- anonymous bitches Regrhcp
i believe the expression is bite me
I have put up the One Hot Globe link a couple of times to have it removed so I have stopped posting the link. I don't see the problem with putting up fansites just as long as not every single one of them are up there and there really aren't alot of RHCP sites out there though a few new ones like the Stadium Arcadium site (which is just a message board really) has popped up recently. In One Hot Globe's defense they have been noticed by the band's label. Last month we had a RHCP cd single contest made possible by the band's management and label so OHG is not just a bunch of gossip and talking about how hot Anthony is. AOL has also made their AOL sessions available to OHG, the only RHCP site other than the official site which was given permission to use them. OHG has also been mentioned on mtv.com. I'm not here to bitch or cry because it's just a internet link but most of the other band pages on here allow more than one link. I mean you guys keep removing the RHCP/Warner ran MySpace page link too, which is not a fansite, it's official. I understand you guys have rules to keep the page under control and that's understandable. I'm not here to call names. It's just a freakin' link so if you want it off i'll play by the rules. Jason1978
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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i see alot of song covers being listed, but ive never heard about these covers. take for example the public enemy cover. where is it from? i assume alot of them are live, but i really dont know
Does anyone know why they called the first disc Jupiter and the second disc Mars? It would be a real help if the origins were posted on the website. thx Wikipedia Stubmechanic 01:52, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
---
They didn't want to call the discs "Disc 1" and "Disc 2" or A and B - that's why they came up with these names. It was mainly John Frusciante's idea to name them after planets (see recent Q&A at AOL music). He's been into astrology lately and said that the planet Mars stood not only for war but also for standing up for what you think is right. Jupiter is the planet of creativity or something like that. Also, they thought naming one cd 1 and the other 2, meant that the second cd would sound lesser, being number two.
I hope, I could help and it's clear now. :) Unfrieden 20:26, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
i made links to a few names in the second section. ;)
User: The Updater 20:23, 1 April 2006 (AEDT)
This article could be tightened up a bit. Some of it could be moved to the RHCP discograpy page. The history secion is largely redundant with the individual album pages.
maxcap 14:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
I cleaned that section up a bit, removed some POV, copyedited. I also removed the bits about the concerts this year and the SNL appearance, it's just not that important. Although if anyone could find out when their first SNL appearance was that might be worth adding as it's sort of a milestone in a bands career.
maxcap
18:42, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
the sales are Red Hot Chili Peppers - 300 000 units worldwide Freaky Styley - 500 000 units worldwide The Uplift Mofo Party Plan - 750 000 units worldwide Mother's Milk - 2 million units worldwide Blood Sugar Sex Magik - 12 million units worldwide One Hot Minute - 5 million units worldwide Californication - 15 million units worldwide By the Way - 10 million units worldwide Stadium Arcadium - 1 million worldwide data update 15 may 2006
stop change it, with other data, specially with only RIAA data that is only for U.S.A. sales.
for me allmusic list for similar/influenced is a bit wrong..for me was better the last. zagozagozago
I like the idea from an exploratory point of view, but it's still subjective. It's probably better to let the people at All Music Guide be subjective. maxcap 19:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
i put album data in chart in US UK and Germany...maybe is not the better page...for the format of the page. for you is better put it in "red hot chili peppers discography" page?? zagozagozago 21:23, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
ok, i do it zagozagozago 21:47, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
"Dani California" = Plagirised (Don't know if that's spelt right) Version of "Mary-Jane's Last Dance" by Tom Petty. There is a sound file somewhere on Totse.com that shows you this. It talks about how there is the same chord progressions and even sounds the same. Also, the drum beats match up when they are mixed side-by-side. RCHP have now lost my respect. J
Yeah I heard about this and they are almost identical, shouldn't something about this be included in the article? Thunder Cat 09:19, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
http://www.musictimes.com.au/chili-peppers-accused-of-plagiarism/
It should be noted that the chord structure if very common. The singing melodies are completely different and the only thing the same is the verse chord structure. I don't think this is notable or worth including into the article. I really doubt RHCP would intentionally copy Tom Petty. The claim itself is ridiculous. PrettyMuchBryce 08:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Agree! It is just some guy Jared Morris (see http://www.jared-morris.com/") who is getting his 15 minutes fame by making a slanderous accusation. He even sped up the Petty song, to make it fit better his purposes. "Dani" and the Petty song does share the four (very common) shords in the verse. That's it. One could go search for "plagiarism" in jazz, blues, do-wop, etc. and find zillion of songs that sounds the same. This is not the same as plagiarism. In any case, including rumors, allegations and discussions currently floating around on the net should not be included in an encyclopedic article.-- HJ 12:55, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't see it as likely that "dani california" would have existed as it does without the petty song. the second i heard the single on the radio i pointed out the similarity to the person i was in the car with, and this was a few months ago. also, the chord structure isn't THAT common. am, em, dmaj, em. it's no 1-4-5 progression. i can't think of another song i heard with that progression, especially played in an almost identical rhythm. just saying. i'm not out and out accusing the rhcp of plaigarism, they could have unconciously used the chord progression. i'd personally like to hear a comment on the accusations from their camp. anyway, i think it's worth mentioning the debate on their main page, regardless of the veracity, it looks as if petty may take legal action.
did you ever hear the neil hamburger rhcp joke?
what's the difference beetween harriet tubman and the red hot chili peppers?
well, harriet tubman was a heroine to slaves, and the red hot chili peppers were slaves to heroin! -- Friendship hurricane 07:22, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Is it worth mentioning that Andy Gill was the guitarist in Gang of Four, and that Entertainment! was a record that a record Flea cited as one of the biggest influences of the groups early sound? ( Sergelapelle 22:10, 27 May 2006 (UTC))
The TV & Film section is getting a bit out of control. I appreciate the latest additions, but this is growing beyond the scope of the band... Appearances by a member by themselves should be listed on that individual's article, while appearances by the BAND should remain here. Flea in a move; on his page. The band on Simpsons; here.
I'll be taking the machete to that section later in the day, so speak now... Xinit 18:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
We've got to come to some sort of agreement on where to draw the line. Some of the newer additions, while good, are better suited to the individual album pages. The more stuff that gets added just invites people to add more trivial stuff. maxcap 12:18, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
This will never be a good article; too many people are wanting to control it, and now it's filled with pointless information. No it is not getting better, it is getting progressively worse and it is the worst band article of any I have seen on Wikipedia. This is an encylopedia; we're trying to make this an article that the average person that is ignorant to the Red Hot Chili Peppers as a whole would actually be able to learn from and gather from. I'll be willing to work with anyone to create a cohesive and much cleaner rewrite of the entire Red Hot Chili Peppers article. -- Parallel Universe
Not that I am connected to any of the fan sites, I find it wrong that only "stadiumarcadium.com" only gets their links to be posted, while other credible and popular fan sites (such as The Red Hot Stadium, the Italian Red Hot Chili Peppers website, and One Hot Globe news website) gets their links pulled time and time again. It's not fair at all. If no other legitimate fan sites can have their links posted besides StadiumArcadium.com, which is nothing more than an uninformative forum, then NO fan sites, that are equally legitimate (or else they would not be posted here in the first place), should have their links posted. -- Parallel Universe
i agree with Parallel Universe. why is it that "stadiumarcadium.com" is the only fansite that gets to put up their link to their site? there are plenty of other sites and it doesnt have to be just them. everytime i come here i see only stadium-arcadium.com on the external links. but where are the other good sites? nowhere to be found. i am accusing stadium-arcadium.com of being selfish and childish. i believe that all the good RHCP sites deserve a chance to promote their website here. it is absolutely unnaceptable that only one site should be promoted here. --
regrhcp
User Readymade has been blocked for violation of WP:3RR and spamming maxcap 22:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Is Maxcap and Xinit are the patron saints of this page or something? As far as I am concerned, this page is still garbage.
no theyre dicks. -- anonymous bitches Regrhcp
i believe the expression is bite me
I have put up the One Hot Globe link a couple of times to have it removed so I have stopped posting the link. I don't see the problem with putting up fansites just as long as not every single one of them are up there and there really aren't alot of RHCP sites out there though a few new ones like the Stadium Arcadium site (which is just a message board really) has popped up recently. In One Hot Globe's defense they have been noticed by the band's label. Last month we had a RHCP cd single contest made possible by the band's management and label so OHG is not just a bunch of gossip and talking about how hot Anthony is. AOL has also made their AOL sessions available to OHG, the only RHCP site other than the official site which was given permission to use them. OHG has also been mentioned on mtv.com. I'm not here to bitch or cry because it's just a internet link but most of the other band pages on here allow more than one link. I mean you guys keep removing the RHCP/Warner ran MySpace page link too, which is not a fansite, it's official. I understand you guys have rules to keep the page under control and that's understandable. I'm not here to call names. It's just a freakin' link so if you want it off i'll play by the rules. Jason1978