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I have elsewhere proposed creating a Gallery of flags based on British ensigns which would relocate a large number of images from Gallery of flags by design. The proposed new gallery would show thumbnail images of all flags, national or otherwise, based on British ensigns. It would be subdivided into sections for the Blue, Red & White ensigns, the Sky Blue, and other variations. I welcome discussion on my proposal which would naturally be linked from this page. Dystopos 21:50, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
ArmchairVexillologistDon
20:05, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
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Perhaps it should be pointed out that the Red Ensign was the precursor to the American flag, just as it was the precursor to the pre-Maple Leaf Canadian flag. During colonial days, the Red Ensign was used by the British in the North American colonies that later formed the United States. During the French and Indian War (Seven Years War), the colonial militias differentiated their flag from that of the regular army by adding white horizontal stripes to the red field, resulting in a flag of red and white horizontal stripes with the Grand Union in the corner, much like the Taunton flag shown in the article, but with red and white stripes. (The use of the term "American" to refer to North Americans of British heritage -- instead of Native Americans -- is also believed to have begun during this time period, as is the nickname "Yankee.") A decade or so later, when the Revolutionary War started, the American side at first used the same flag they had used as a colonial militia, with red and white horizontal stripes and the Grand Union in the corner. However, the absurdity (under the circumstances) of incorporating the British flag into the American flag led to replacing the Grand Union with a field of 13 stars, one for each of the 13 colonies. The number of stripes was fixed at 13 at this time, as well. The act of the Continental Congress creating the new flag refers to the field of 13 stars as a "union" -- interesting in view of the fact that it replaced the "Grand Union" that had been on the flag in the same location up to that time. -- 14:16, 30 August 2012
As I understand it, the White Ensign would not have been relevant to North America, because it was reserved for the Home Fleet. In addition, please see the modern-day flag of Taunton, Massachusetts which is clearly based on the Red Ensign (as shown in the article):
The Cross of St. George, which is the source of the red-on-white which takes up three-quarters of the White Ensign, may not have been the sort of thing that English speakers of North America would have altered, even during the Revolutionary War period. It was the cross, and the concept of separation of church and state did not come around until the Bill of Rights. During an earlier period than the Revolutionary War, the Puritans of New England used to annoy His Majesty's representatives by flying the Cross of St. George over public buildings instead of the Grand Union Flag.
Finally, with regard to George Washington's coat of arms, he was not the leading figure in 1776 that he was in 1789. Furthermore, Washington was too modest to have sought to incorporate his personal coat of arms into the nation's flag. (Remember, George III referred to Washington as "the greatest man in the world" upon hearing that Washington had rejected being president for life.) -- Bob ( Bob99 ( talk) 20:17, 1 October 2012 (UTC))
Well spotted Buidhe. UK ensigns must, by law, only be worn on vessels boats. Jacksoncowes ( talk) 15:43, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Can we include Royal Navy Recognised Sea Scouts who have a defaced Red Ensign? Not sure where it might go. Alansplodge ( talk) 17:42, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
Royal St George Yacht Club, of Dun Laoghaire Ireland has a red ensign defaced with a crown not unlike that of the Royal Windermere. Granted to the club in 1845. 2A02:4E0:2D86:1AD3:361C:27F:BE90:E888 ( talk) 07:43, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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I have elsewhere proposed creating a Gallery of flags based on British ensigns which would relocate a large number of images from Gallery of flags by design. The proposed new gallery would show thumbnail images of all flags, national or otherwise, based on British ensigns. It would be subdivided into sections for the Blue, Red & White ensigns, the Sky Blue, and other variations. I welcome discussion on my proposal which would naturally be linked from this page. Dystopos 21:50, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
ArmchairVexillologistDon
20:05, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
The image Image:Royal Navy Recognised Sea Scout Ensign.png is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check
This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. -- 21:05, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps it should be pointed out that the Red Ensign was the precursor to the American flag, just as it was the precursor to the pre-Maple Leaf Canadian flag. During colonial days, the Red Ensign was used by the British in the North American colonies that later formed the United States. During the French and Indian War (Seven Years War), the colonial militias differentiated their flag from that of the regular army by adding white horizontal stripes to the red field, resulting in a flag of red and white horizontal stripes with the Grand Union in the corner, much like the Taunton flag shown in the article, but with red and white stripes. (The use of the term "American" to refer to North Americans of British heritage -- instead of Native Americans -- is also believed to have begun during this time period, as is the nickname "Yankee.") A decade or so later, when the Revolutionary War started, the American side at first used the same flag they had used as a colonial militia, with red and white horizontal stripes and the Grand Union in the corner. However, the absurdity (under the circumstances) of incorporating the British flag into the American flag led to replacing the Grand Union with a field of 13 stars, one for each of the 13 colonies. The number of stripes was fixed at 13 at this time, as well. The act of the Continental Congress creating the new flag refers to the field of 13 stars as a "union" -- interesting in view of the fact that it replaced the "Grand Union" that had been on the flag in the same location up to that time. -- 14:16, 30 August 2012
As I understand it, the White Ensign would not have been relevant to North America, because it was reserved for the Home Fleet. In addition, please see the modern-day flag of Taunton, Massachusetts which is clearly based on the Red Ensign (as shown in the article):
The Cross of St. George, which is the source of the red-on-white which takes up three-quarters of the White Ensign, may not have been the sort of thing that English speakers of North America would have altered, even during the Revolutionary War period. It was the cross, and the concept of separation of church and state did not come around until the Bill of Rights. During an earlier period than the Revolutionary War, the Puritans of New England used to annoy His Majesty's representatives by flying the Cross of St. George over public buildings instead of the Grand Union Flag.
Finally, with regard to George Washington's coat of arms, he was not the leading figure in 1776 that he was in 1789. Furthermore, Washington was too modest to have sought to incorporate his personal coat of arms into the nation's flag. (Remember, George III referred to Washington as "the greatest man in the world" upon hearing that Washington had rejected being president for life.) -- Bob ( Bob99 ( talk) 20:17, 1 October 2012 (UTC))
Well spotted Buidhe. UK ensigns must, by law, only be worn on vessels boats. Jacksoncowes ( talk) 15:43, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Can we include Royal Navy Recognised Sea Scouts who have a defaced Red Ensign? Not sure where it might go. Alansplodge ( talk) 17:42, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
Royal St George Yacht Club, of Dun Laoghaire Ireland has a red ensign defaced with a crown not unlike that of the Royal Windermere. Granted to the club in 1845. 2A02:4E0:2D86:1AD3:361C:27F:BE90:E888 ( talk) 07:43, 7 June 2024 (UTC)