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Most of the content on this page has had very little to do with the actual subject. I have removed this content, but the person who created the article reverted it and is demanding that I establish a consensus. I'm going to humour him and demonstrate why.
Firstly, this page appears to exist solely to justify the existence of two other pages: one on the Reanult engine, and one on the 2014 season rule changes (which has since been deleted). As a result, the majority of the content in the article was about the engine - the one part if the car that Red Bull will not actually build. In an article specifically about a car Red Bull will build. Hence, it has no place here. It's worth mentioning which engine the car will use, but a full run-down of the details of that engine is not appropriate.
Secondly, the article was stacked with quotes about how dramatic the rule changes will be. However, there was no content on how Red Bull have or will specifically address these rule changes. As someone with a degree in marketing, I feel I am adequately qualified to tell you that these baseless comments are exaggerated hype. They are designed to spark interest through persuasive and emotive language rather than inform an audience through recounting fact. As the primary function of Wikipedia is the latter and not the former, those quotes have no place here.
Finally, there was no content related to who will actually drive the car, or who is designing it. These were left to an infobox, which, while useful, only provide information at a glance, and should not be used as the primary means if informing the audience. Furthermore, the lack of this content and the over-emphasis on marginally-significant details made the article inconsistent with the style of other similar and related pages. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 05:56, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Freimütig, I'm going to assume you're familiar with
WP:3RR. I'm going to disagree with
Prisonermonkeys wrt to
WP:CRYSTAL, but I think bringing up
WP:TOOSOON is spot-on. Better to keep a shorter article and wait for better citations to show up.
Garamond Lethe
t
c 03:30, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
User:AdventurousSquirrel, I appreciate the argument you're trying to make, but I feel that it has one critical flaw that makes adding that content to the page in its current form unworkable.
Horner can describe just how dramatic the rule changes are until he's blue in the face, and I'll agree on every single point. He can tell everyone about how those rule changes pose significant challenges, and I won't deny it. But the problem is that he doesn't say how Red Bull addressed these issues. After all, every team will encounter them. It's not a problem exclusive to the RB10, but this is an article about the RB10.
I'll give you an example: prior to the 2014 regulations, the biggest rule change was the introduction of KERS. In 2009, KERS units weighed close to 30kg, and teams were struggling to get as close to the minimum weight with the KERS unit. Williams came up with a solution that used the flywheel to charge the KERS battery. Although it never raced, the system cut the overall weight by 12kg. It is an example of both the challenge posed by the regulations, and a solution to overcome it.
So, if we apply this way of thinking to the RB10 article, we only have half the content we need, and we're missing the most important half. We have Horner saying "the regulations are a challenge for us", but we still need him saying "and this is what we did to overcome it". Until we get that, the first half does not count for much because you could pretty much copy and paste it into every article on individual car.
All of this comes from the article being made too soon. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 08:15, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
This article was nominated for deletion on 20 October 2013 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep. |
This article is rated Stub-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||
|
Most of the content on this page has had very little to do with the actual subject. I have removed this content, but the person who created the article reverted it and is demanding that I establish a consensus. I'm going to humour him and demonstrate why.
Firstly, this page appears to exist solely to justify the existence of two other pages: one on the Reanult engine, and one on the 2014 season rule changes (which has since been deleted). As a result, the majority of the content in the article was about the engine - the one part if the car that Red Bull will not actually build. In an article specifically about a car Red Bull will build. Hence, it has no place here. It's worth mentioning which engine the car will use, but a full run-down of the details of that engine is not appropriate.
Secondly, the article was stacked with quotes about how dramatic the rule changes will be. However, there was no content on how Red Bull have or will specifically address these rule changes. As someone with a degree in marketing, I feel I am adequately qualified to tell you that these baseless comments are exaggerated hype. They are designed to spark interest through persuasive and emotive language rather than inform an audience through recounting fact. As the primary function of Wikipedia is the latter and not the former, those quotes have no place here.
Finally, there was no content related to who will actually drive the car, or who is designing it. These were left to an infobox, which, while useful, only provide information at a glance, and should not be used as the primary means if informing the audience. Furthermore, the lack of this content and the over-emphasis on marginally-significant details made the article inconsistent with the style of other similar and related pages. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 05:56, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Freimütig, I'm going to assume you're familiar with
WP:3RR. I'm going to disagree with
Prisonermonkeys wrt to
WP:CRYSTAL, but I think bringing up
WP:TOOSOON is spot-on. Better to keep a shorter article and wait for better citations to show up.
Garamond Lethe
t
c 03:30, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
User:AdventurousSquirrel, I appreciate the argument you're trying to make, but I feel that it has one critical flaw that makes adding that content to the page in its current form unworkable.
Horner can describe just how dramatic the rule changes are until he's blue in the face, and I'll agree on every single point. He can tell everyone about how those rule changes pose significant challenges, and I won't deny it. But the problem is that he doesn't say how Red Bull addressed these issues. After all, every team will encounter them. It's not a problem exclusive to the RB10, but this is an article about the RB10.
I'll give you an example: prior to the 2014 regulations, the biggest rule change was the introduction of KERS. In 2009, KERS units weighed close to 30kg, and teams were struggling to get as close to the minimum weight with the KERS unit. Williams came up with a solution that used the flywheel to charge the KERS battery. Although it never raced, the system cut the overall weight by 12kg. It is an example of both the challenge posed by the regulations, and a solution to overcome it.
So, if we apply this way of thinking to the RB10 article, we only have half the content we need, and we're missing the most important half. We have Horner saying "the regulations are a challenge for us", but we still need him saying "and this is what we did to overcome it". Until we get that, the first half does not count for much because you could pretty much copy and paste it into every article on individual car.
All of this comes from the article being made too soon. Prisonermonkeys ( talk) 08:15, 16 November 2013 (UTC)