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Free market capitalism is hardly centrist... -- Oddeivind ( talk) 12:36, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
I added some material from one of their position papers. 01:42, 21 May 2012 (UTC) WashingtonMatia ( talk) 01:42, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
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It seems that user QuaestorGaius is changing the ideological identity of the party. That part is properly cited and from what I see, he has been blocked on Greek Wikipedia for the exact same reason. Can someone perhaps step in and take care of this? (unsigned comment by Mightberightorwrong, 15:53, 27 June 2021)
Since this conversation is not leading anywhere and academic sources have been removed repeatedly, I am not going to respond again; instead, I will let admins have the final say. I was accused of lies and proved that QuaestorGaius is vandalising the article - all sources provided are reliable for sure. First it was the "NGOs" (?), then the page numbers, which have been provided and now the "left-wing" bias. Even a Brill Publishers's article was removed. They keep finding excuses to revert cited content. Mightberightorwrong ( talk) 16:18, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Polite discussion with no ad hominem attacks goes below. The article is fully protected. Acroterion (talk) 17:53, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
I believe it is time that we opened again the topic of the ideology as I see that it is still mentioned that this is a far right party which I believe is false.
First of all, some of the sources are from well known left wing sites of Greece that would throw away the word far right anytime they got the change. These include TPP and Protagon.
Moreover two of the sources that are actually good ones don't even include a mention about the party. As I think I read, they are just sited as sources of how parties like this one would function but in reality there is no connection of this party to those articles.
The sources I am referring to that don't make a mention to this party are those of ESOH and the BRILL article. They literally make no mention of this party anywhere inside them or in their lists.
The source of newpost that maks a claim about "economic slaves" is very sketchy as well, as it is talking about a radio show that happened ten years ago which doesn't exist anywhere on the web. They could very well have been fabricated or at the very least inaccurate.
Some of the sources about the claims of islamophobia seem sketchy as well but overall I think that what I have presented until now on its own shows just how much the sources that would make the "far right" connection are absolutely terrible when it comes to that.
I also don't see how anti immigration and anti communism on their own make a party far right nor that they should be in the first paragraph of any party like this one. I frankly have rarley seen this kind of format even if there are such claims to be made about a political party.
Furthermore the article "tzimerodexia" is absolutely horrendous and should never have been used as a source to begin with. Overall these kind of sources and the way they are used here just screams POV pushing and in no way matches wiki standards.
The same ofcourse is to be said about the sources in the Greek article which are used in a similar manner. I believe this oughts to be addressed so that we can make any changes needed.
In my opinion the best way forward is to change the label to right wing as most of the normal sources point towards a pretty much standard right wing party. Lmagoutas ( talk) 00:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
I don't know how to respond to discussions but it just says a lot that a conversation that I opened mentioning a whole lot of arguments about a party not being far right, ended up not addressing a single one of my points and the person who argues about the opposite being happy that another that supports my views are banned from the site. The irony here is subtle but truly beautiful. Lmagoutas ( talk) 17:23, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
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Free market capitalism is hardly centrist... -- Oddeivind ( talk) 12:36, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
I added some material from one of their position papers. 01:42, 21 May 2012 (UTC) WashingtonMatia ( talk) 01:42, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
References
It seems that user QuaestorGaius is changing the ideological identity of the party. That part is properly cited and from what I see, he has been blocked on Greek Wikipedia for the exact same reason. Can someone perhaps step in and take care of this? (unsigned comment by Mightberightorwrong, 15:53, 27 June 2021)
Since this conversation is not leading anywhere and academic sources have been removed repeatedly, I am not going to respond again; instead, I will let admins have the final say. I was accused of lies and proved that QuaestorGaius is vandalising the article - all sources provided are reliable for sure. First it was the "NGOs" (?), then the page numbers, which have been provided and now the "left-wing" bias. Even a Brill Publishers's article was removed. They keep finding excuses to revert cited content. Mightberightorwrong ( talk) 16:18, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Polite discussion with no ad hominem attacks goes below. The article is fully protected. Acroterion (talk) 17:53, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
I believe it is time that we opened again the topic of the ideology as I see that it is still mentioned that this is a far right party which I believe is false.
First of all, some of the sources are from well known left wing sites of Greece that would throw away the word far right anytime they got the change. These include TPP and Protagon.
Moreover two of the sources that are actually good ones don't even include a mention about the party. As I think I read, they are just sited as sources of how parties like this one would function but in reality there is no connection of this party to those articles.
The sources I am referring to that don't make a mention to this party are those of ESOH and the BRILL article. They literally make no mention of this party anywhere inside them or in their lists.
The source of newpost that maks a claim about "economic slaves" is very sketchy as well, as it is talking about a radio show that happened ten years ago which doesn't exist anywhere on the web. They could very well have been fabricated or at the very least inaccurate.
Some of the sources about the claims of islamophobia seem sketchy as well but overall I think that what I have presented until now on its own shows just how much the sources that would make the "far right" connection are absolutely terrible when it comes to that.
I also don't see how anti immigration and anti communism on their own make a party far right nor that they should be in the first paragraph of any party like this one. I frankly have rarley seen this kind of format even if there are such claims to be made about a political party.
Furthermore the article "tzimerodexia" is absolutely horrendous and should never have been used as a source to begin with. Overall these kind of sources and the way they are used here just screams POV pushing and in no way matches wiki standards.
The same ofcourse is to be said about the sources in the Greek article which are used in a similar manner. I believe this oughts to be addressed so that we can make any changes needed.
In my opinion the best way forward is to change the label to right wing as most of the normal sources point towards a pretty much standard right wing party. Lmagoutas ( talk) 00:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
I don't know how to respond to discussions but it just says a lot that a conversation that I opened mentioning a whole lot of arguments about a party not being far right, ended up not addressing a single one of my points and the person who argues about the opposite being happy that another that supports my views are banned from the site. The irony here is subtle but truly beautiful. Lmagoutas ( talk) 17:23, 18 September 2022 (UTC)