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I like the new template, but it needs to be modified to show larger font. Right now, it is almost unreadable as the size of the letters is extremely small. Just a thought for whoever made the template in the first place. "The English, the English, the English are best!" - Husnock 17 Nov 2004
The second half of that statement strikes me as utterly POV. How does one determine what "most directly" means? Most rear admirals are British? Most people in the world think of "rear admiral" as a British rank? I strongly suspect the former isn't true (by a long shot), and I challenge anyone to prove the latter. Unless someone can suggest a valid reason for keeping that clause, I intend to remove it, leaving the historical British origin, a verifiable statement, in place. — Jeff Q 13:13, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Well seeing as the British had Rear Admiral as a rank before the US navy existed and the Rest of Europe (who had their own names for the rank if they had it at all!)I say we should keep it. The article is already littered with pictures of the American Rank and has a whole paragraph for it. In my opinion it seems you are using your own point of view that anything that mentions the British had something first is biased.
It has changed, and someone needs to update the template. As of when I left the Navy in late 2003, Read Admiral (Lower) was now RDML and Rear Admiral (Upper) was RADM.-- Mitsukai 04:33, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The template is misleading by suggesting that the ranks in the RN are one grade below the US ones - i.e. O6 (USN) is Captain yet the suggestion is that OF6 (RN) is Cdre which may mean that readers think that an RN captain is subordinate to a USN captain which is not true. The difficulty appears to begin with the snotty (Midshipman) rank as it is not the only training rank as graduate-entry training officers will be subs.
The template should be renumbered to reflect the fact that the USN differentiates between Lt (j.g. and full) whereas the RN does not. Ensign is roughly equivalent to a snotty and a sub is roughly equivalent (although I understand in NATO terms junior to) a Lt(j.g.). From Lt-Cdr onwards the USN and RN ranks are comparable - with Commodore (RN) now being a substantive rank (it used to be honorary) at 1* level (i.e. RADML USN).
Alisdair Gillespie.
I stumbled across this article, and have a question which is probably equally valid for other military rank articles. I see why Rear Admiral Jones or so is capitalized, but shouldn't "a rear admiral", "an admiral", ... be in lowercase? Dictionary.com agrees, but perhaps more official dictionaries or some WP guideline disagrees with me. If there has been a relevant discussion about this yet somewhere else, pleasae point me there! Fram 07:22, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was Move Duja ► 17:30, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Since it has been almost three months since I posted the previous section (capitalization) without any comments, all dictionaries spell "rear admiral", and even Prime Minister has been moved to Prime minister, I guess no one will disagree if in a few weeks time I move this article to Rear admiral and change the capitalization of all instances where it doesn't point to one particular person or function, but to the general subject... Thereafter, many other articles will follow as well, but that can be discussed on their specific talk pages again. 12:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Note: This discussion is on hold pending the result of the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Rank articles: capitalization of title
I've read the above discussions with interest, and I can understand how it could be titled "rear admiral" or "Rear Admiral", but I can not understand how the above discussion resulted in "Rear admiral". The most quoted example is "Rear Admiral X is a rear admiral". "Rear admiral X is a Rear admiral" was never justified, or even advocated, yet that's what the article ended up being called. Can someone explain this to me please? Pdfpdf 14:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. Mmmm. Given the discussion above, it would seem to make sense to call the article "rear admiral".
However, We make exceptions only when... seems to rule that out.
Never-the-less, the first line of the article looks weird. (viz: "Rear admiral is ... below Vice Admiral").
(Almost) Independent of what the pages are titled, it should either read "rear admiral is ... below vice admiral" or "Rear Admiral is ... below Vice Admiral".
Even "Rear admiral is ... below Vice admiral" is better than what's there now.
(The fact that these words don't match the page titles shouldn't be an issue - that can be handled by redirects or other mechanisms.) Thanks,
Pdfpdf
13:57, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Note: This discussion is on hold pending the result of the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Rank articles: capitalization of title
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I was wondering why we don't have the command pennants shown on these articles? Kingdom of Baustralia ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:17, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
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Need something to clarify that this is nothing to do with body parts. “Rear” and “Admiral” in the same phrase can mislead one into thinking this is some kind of sexual thing. In reality, Rear Admirals (including Coast Guard Rear Admiral Charles E Butts) are chosen for things having nothing to do with body parts. 67.187.19.172 ( talk) 22:32, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
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I like the new template, but it needs to be modified to show larger font. Right now, it is almost unreadable as the size of the letters is extremely small. Just a thought for whoever made the template in the first place. "The English, the English, the English are best!" - Husnock 17 Nov 2004
The second half of that statement strikes me as utterly POV. How does one determine what "most directly" means? Most rear admirals are British? Most people in the world think of "rear admiral" as a British rank? I strongly suspect the former isn't true (by a long shot), and I challenge anyone to prove the latter. Unless someone can suggest a valid reason for keeping that clause, I intend to remove it, leaving the historical British origin, a verifiable statement, in place. — Jeff Q 13:13, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Well seeing as the British had Rear Admiral as a rank before the US navy existed and the Rest of Europe (who had their own names for the rank if they had it at all!)I say we should keep it. The article is already littered with pictures of the American Rank and has a whole paragraph for it. In my opinion it seems you are using your own point of view that anything that mentions the British had something first is biased.
It has changed, and someone needs to update the template. As of when I left the Navy in late 2003, Read Admiral (Lower) was now RDML and Rear Admiral (Upper) was RADM.-- Mitsukai 04:33, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The template is misleading by suggesting that the ranks in the RN are one grade below the US ones - i.e. O6 (USN) is Captain yet the suggestion is that OF6 (RN) is Cdre which may mean that readers think that an RN captain is subordinate to a USN captain which is not true. The difficulty appears to begin with the snotty (Midshipman) rank as it is not the only training rank as graduate-entry training officers will be subs.
The template should be renumbered to reflect the fact that the USN differentiates between Lt (j.g. and full) whereas the RN does not. Ensign is roughly equivalent to a snotty and a sub is roughly equivalent (although I understand in NATO terms junior to) a Lt(j.g.). From Lt-Cdr onwards the USN and RN ranks are comparable - with Commodore (RN) now being a substantive rank (it used to be honorary) at 1* level (i.e. RADML USN).
Alisdair Gillespie.
I stumbled across this article, and have a question which is probably equally valid for other military rank articles. I see why Rear Admiral Jones or so is capitalized, but shouldn't "a rear admiral", "an admiral", ... be in lowercase? Dictionary.com agrees, but perhaps more official dictionaries or some WP guideline disagrees with me. If there has been a relevant discussion about this yet somewhere else, pleasae point me there! Fram 07:22, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was Move Duja ► 17:30, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Since it has been almost three months since I posted the previous section (capitalization) without any comments, all dictionaries spell "rear admiral", and even Prime Minister has been moved to Prime minister, I guess no one will disagree if in a few weeks time I move this article to Rear admiral and change the capitalization of all instances where it doesn't point to one particular person or function, but to the general subject... Thereafter, many other articles will follow as well, but that can be discussed on their specific talk pages again. 12:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Note: This discussion is on hold pending the result of the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Rank articles: capitalization of title
I've read the above discussions with interest, and I can understand how it could be titled "rear admiral" or "Rear Admiral", but I can not understand how the above discussion resulted in "Rear admiral". The most quoted example is "Rear Admiral X is a rear admiral". "Rear admiral X is a Rear admiral" was never justified, or even advocated, yet that's what the article ended up being called. Can someone explain this to me please? Pdfpdf 14:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. Mmmm. Given the discussion above, it would seem to make sense to call the article "rear admiral".
However, We make exceptions only when... seems to rule that out.
Never-the-less, the first line of the article looks weird. (viz: "Rear admiral is ... below Vice Admiral").
(Almost) Independent of what the pages are titled, it should either read "rear admiral is ... below vice admiral" or "Rear Admiral is ... below Vice Admiral".
Even "Rear admiral is ... below Vice admiral" is better than what's there now.
(The fact that these words don't match the page titles shouldn't be an issue - that can be handled by redirects or other mechanisms.) Thanks,
Pdfpdf
13:57, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Note: This discussion is on hold pending the result of the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Rank articles: capitalization of title
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I was wondering why we don't have the command pennants shown on these articles? Kingdom of Baustralia ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:17, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
==
Need something to clarify that this is nothing to do with body parts. “Rear” and “Admiral” in the same phrase can mislead one into thinking this is some kind of sexual thing. In reality, Rear Admirals (including Coast Guard Rear Admiral Charles E Butts) are chosen for things having nothing to do with body parts. 67.187.19.172 ( talk) 22:32, 13 May 2023 (UTC)