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I have to assume to and have reverted. Viva-Verdi 00:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
No disputing USA is important, and more importantly on the internet, as most writers are from there, but is not there a perceived American predominance in this article, as in numerous others? Of course this does not fall under NPOV, but then given Wikipedia purports to be an universal encyclopaedia, or as the mission of Wikipedia says that it wants to give information to everyone including an African child, how does such specific information (which is excellent in itself) help in a generic sense? Just wondering if something could be done about it, and if yes, what?
If the information provided is acurate, which it is, then it helps in the since that: for someone inquireing about the specifics of broker functionality for example, it is available. As far as American Predominance is concerned i did not feel that was the case. However if it was would it be so false. would you say America is the dominate nation in the world?
Well, the US has a predominance because the economy in this market shows that we have a superior way of doing business. You wouldn't necessarily want to teach someone a stone age way of negotiating a real estate deal as is done in many other pre-historic countries.
I have made considerable revisions to this article today based on the need to clarify and expand several aspects of the laws of real estate brokerage.
In particular, the notion of a fiduciary relationship with buyers (aka Buyer brokerage; Buyer agency; Buyer representation), treating them as clients not as "customers" (an old fashioned term where many agents act as Buyers' reps), needed to be addressed.
For the record, I spent about 20 years in real estate, was licenced in two Eastern states, and have bought property in a third (in the West). I was assistant manager, manager, and then co-owner of a brokerage, as well as listing and selling $6 to $14 million in real estate annually. I held CRS, GRI, ePro, and ABR designations.
Vivaverdi 22:19, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Re: DUAL AGENCY: I think that the person who made these changes needs to be clearer on the notion of representation.
Dual Agency = representation of both parties accordng to various state laws.
Transaction brokerage = no AGENCY relationship.
These edits needs revising. Vivaverdi 05:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Many of the editors of real estate articles (e.g. see Flat fee mls]]) have agreed that purely commercial external links to providers of real estate services have no place on a Wikipedia article.
Consequently, as these links appear, they have been removed. I SUPPORT SUCH REMOVAL. Please add your comments here. Vivaverdi 23:28, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
:I think that since Wikipedia is going to allow anyone to comment at any time consumer, business or unrelated your revisions will have to go on 24/7 and eventually you will not have to time go to the bathroom, eat, sleep or anything else for that matter. I wish you the best of luck in trying to stop people from Wikipedia Blogging as it were...
I think this article should be merged with Estate agent. They are essentially the same thing; it's the person you go to when you want to sell your house and buy a new one, it's just a different name used in different locations. Yes the specific roles are slightly different, but only because laws and conventions are different in the places where the name is different. IT'S THE SAME JOB.
Also, please don't delete the merge template without allowing time for due discussion.
Abc30 13:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
See comments in Talk:Estate agent re: agreement NOT TO MERGE. Merge tag removed. Vivaverdi 19:20, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
WHY? Firstly, it is all mostly copied direcly from the Calif. REC website.
Secondly, a whole section devoted to real estate in CA is hardly necessary in a general article on real estate brokerage.
While there may be some value in having a section devoted to real estate education, it certainly does not need to be as specific as this and apply only to one state. Each state has slightly different requirements for obtaining a salesperson's and broker's licence, but there are probably some overlaps.
Anyone want to write it? COMMENTS PLEASE. Vivaverdi 14:49, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
It would be nice if people who radically change existing sections of this page both REGISTER and declare their qualifications to do so.
There is too much rambling nonsense being written here, and it makes little sense. Recently, one unregistered individual became so confused that he/she thought that a real estate brokerage was an "Agency" when the section in question was dealing with "Agency relationships" between brokers and sellers/buyers....
For the record: I have been a real estate AGENT, office mananger, office owner, etc. in Maryland for 20 years, and for most of that time involved with my local Association of Realtors committees.
Vivaverdi 01:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
A very long paragraph relating to globalization was recently added to the opening paragraphs of this article. It also included a section on the CRS designation.
I have moved the bulk of the paragraph to the bottom of the article, since its purpose is to define the scope of a typical real estate broker (and broker's agents) functions and activities. Involvement in global activity is important, but it does not deserve a place of such prominence.
Also, the author of the paragraph, who may be from New Mexico (as am I), included the names of five or six specific real estate agents who hold the CIPS designation and speak more languages than English. This is NOT APPROPRIATE for this - or any other - kind of article.
The National Association of Realtors article needs more on NAR-approved designations, including CIPS, CRS, and ABR + others.
Vivaverdi 17:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.227.185 ( talk) 21:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I dont agree that the term "real estate broker" is localized. Maybe there are some differences between countries like the ones mentioned, like "estate agent" in the UK, but real estate broker seems like a universal way of describing "in english" those who are involved in the real estate brokerage industry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ldominguez ( talk • contribs) 01:08, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm writing this in regards to the factual statement being made that "In most jurisdictions in the United States, a person is required to have a license in order to receive remuneration for services rendered as a real estate broker." My reason for exploiting this is due to the fact that I have not yet found any jurisdiction in the United States where a person is not required to have a license in order to receive remuneration for services rendered as a real estate broker. I would like this statement to either be removed or exemplified by stating which States are in fact the exception. My purpose for this request is for the purpose of clarity, and hence reassuring that the statement being made is in fact factual.
--VivaVerdi and anyone else please respond to this comment with reasoning to either keep the statement or have it removed--
JZOR - June 7, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.227.185 ( talk) 21:48, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
earth has more then 200 countries, why give even more focus to USA?????? —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
193.137.47.114 (
talk)
18:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
This is one of the worst articles I've come across in a while, filled with personal observations and opinions, narrowly focused on residential sales transactions and biased towards residential brokers and agents. I've started tagging and made some improvements but there is a ton of work to be done here to clean up this mess. Toddst1 ( talk) 20:22, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
I have to assume to and have reverted. Viva-Verdi 00:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
No disputing USA is important, and more importantly on the internet, as most writers are from there, but is not there a perceived American predominance in this article, as in numerous others? Of course this does not fall under NPOV, but then given Wikipedia purports to be an universal encyclopaedia, or as the mission of Wikipedia says that it wants to give information to everyone including an African child, how does such specific information (which is excellent in itself) help in a generic sense? Just wondering if something could be done about it, and if yes, what?
If the information provided is acurate, which it is, then it helps in the since that: for someone inquireing about the specifics of broker functionality for example, it is available. As far as American Predominance is concerned i did not feel that was the case. However if it was would it be so false. would you say America is the dominate nation in the world?
Well, the US has a predominance because the economy in this market shows that we have a superior way of doing business. You wouldn't necessarily want to teach someone a stone age way of negotiating a real estate deal as is done in many other pre-historic countries.
I have made considerable revisions to this article today based on the need to clarify and expand several aspects of the laws of real estate brokerage.
In particular, the notion of a fiduciary relationship with buyers (aka Buyer brokerage; Buyer agency; Buyer representation), treating them as clients not as "customers" (an old fashioned term where many agents act as Buyers' reps), needed to be addressed.
For the record, I spent about 20 years in real estate, was licenced in two Eastern states, and have bought property in a third (in the West). I was assistant manager, manager, and then co-owner of a brokerage, as well as listing and selling $6 to $14 million in real estate annually. I held CRS, GRI, ePro, and ABR designations.
Vivaverdi 22:19, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Re: DUAL AGENCY: I think that the person who made these changes needs to be clearer on the notion of representation.
Dual Agency = representation of both parties accordng to various state laws.
Transaction brokerage = no AGENCY relationship.
These edits needs revising. Vivaverdi 05:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Many of the editors of real estate articles (e.g. see Flat fee mls]]) have agreed that purely commercial external links to providers of real estate services have no place on a Wikipedia article.
Consequently, as these links appear, they have been removed. I SUPPORT SUCH REMOVAL. Please add your comments here. Vivaverdi 23:28, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
:I think that since Wikipedia is going to allow anyone to comment at any time consumer, business or unrelated your revisions will have to go on 24/7 and eventually you will not have to time go to the bathroom, eat, sleep or anything else for that matter. I wish you the best of luck in trying to stop people from Wikipedia Blogging as it were...
I think this article should be merged with Estate agent. They are essentially the same thing; it's the person you go to when you want to sell your house and buy a new one, it's just a different name used in different locations. Yes the specific roles are slightly different, but only because laws and conventions are different in the places where the name is different. IT'S THE SAME JOB.
Also, please don't delete the merge template without allowing time for due discussion.
Abc30 13:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
See comments in Talk:Estate agent re: agreement NOT TO MERGE. Merge tag removed. Vivaverdi 19:20, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
WHY? Firstly, it is all mostly copied direcly from the Calif. REC website.
Secondly, a whole section devoted to real estate in CA is hardly necessary in a general article on real estate brokerage.
While there may be some value in having a section devoted to real estate education, it certainly does not need to be as specific as this and apply only to one state. Each state has slightly different requirements for obtaining a salesperson's and broker's licence, but there are probably some overlaps.
Anyone want to write it? COMMENTS PLEASE. Vivaverdi 14:49, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
It would be nice if people who radically change existing sections of this page both REGISTER and declare their qualifications to do so.
There is too much rambling nonsense being written here, and it makes little sense. Recently, one unregistered individual became so confused that he/she thought that a real estate brokerage was an "Agency" when the section in question was dealing with "Agency relationships" between brokers and sellers/buyers....
For the record: I have been a real estate AGENT, office mananger, office owner, etc. in Maryland for 20 years, and for most of that time involved with my local Association of Realtors committees.
Vivaverdi 01:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
A very long paragraph relating to globalization was recently added to the opening paragraphs of this article. It also included a section on the CRS designation.
I have moved the bulk of the paragraph to the bottom of the article, since its purpose is to define the scope of a typical real estate broker (and broker's agents) functions and activities. Involvement in global activity is important, but it does not deserve a place of such prominence.
Also, the author of the paragraph, who may be from New Mexico (as am I), included the names of five or six specific real estate agents who hold the CIPS designation and speak more languages than English. This is NOT APPROPRIATE for this - or any other - kind of article.
The National Association of Realtors article needs more on NAR-approved designations, including CIPS, CRS, and ABR + others.
Vivaverdi 17:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.227.185 ( talk) 21:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I dont agree that the term "real estate broker" is localized. Maybe there are some differences between countries like the ones mentioned, like "estate agent" in the UK, but real estate broker seems like a universal way of describing "in english" those who are involved in the real estate brokerage industry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ldominguez ( talk • contribs) 01:08, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm writing this in regards to the factual statement being made that "In most jurisdictions in the United States, a person is required to have a license in order to receive remuneration for services rendered as a real estate broker." My reason for exploiting this is due to the fact that I have not yet found any jurisdiction in the United States where a person is not required to have a license in order to receive remuneration for services rendered as a real estate broker. I would like this statement to either be removed or exemplified by stating which States are in fact the exception. My purpose for this request is for the purpose of clarity, and hence reassuring that the statement being made is in fact factual.
--VivaVerdi and anyone else please respond to this comment with reasoning to either keep the statement or have it removed--
JZOR - June 7, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.227.185 ( talk) 21:48, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
earth has more then 200 countries, why give even more focus to USA?????? —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
193.137.47.114 (
talk)
18:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
This is one of the worst articles I've come across in a while, filled with personal observations and opinions, narrowly focused on residential sales transactions and biased towards residential brokers and agents. I've started tagging and made some improvements but there is a ton of work to be done here to clean up this mess. Toddst1 ( talk) 20:22, 3 September 2012 (UTC)