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They are very few, contradictory and even written with very bad Arabic grammar, there is doubt cast over every detail of her life. This is a very interesting subject, but confusing to say the least. FrummerThanThou 22:27, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Sure. But please let use good quality sources rather than personal opinions. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 23:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
This is article is still under construction. It is hard to furnish sources for everything on the go, so please tag any statements with {fact} individually before reverting them entirely. I will be creating a death of Mohammad sometime soon, so will be able to merge loose details if needed. FrummerThanThou 00:54, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Material added need to be supported by sources. The burden to provide such sources is on the editor adding material, not on the editor wanting to remove material. See WP:V. If you want, you can work on a sandbox in the username space such as User:FrummerThanThou/Rayhana Bint Zayd], rather than in here. Of course, if you have good material supported by sources that you want to add, that would be most welcome. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 01:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I changed "concubine" to the more specific MMA. Concubinage includes situations that is punishable by Islamic Law, MMA is simply more accurate and informative. -- Striver 00:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
The Sirat-e-Halbiyyah does mention her as his wife but says nothing about her refusal to veil herself. This is either plagiarism from some other book or the author of Note 2 has written falsely in the name of the book. Since the argument here is about the credibility of the book itself that claims those things, it's also important to check the credibility of the user who posted note 2 and contents relating to it. I can post scanned pages relating to Rayhana from the book. FlexibleCogito 16:42, 20 July 2007 (UTC) FlexibeCogito
Nur al-Din al-Halabi is not a reliable source. If there is indeed a rival Muslim tradition that Rayhana became Muhammad's wife, it must be sourced to widely accepted Muslim biographies of Muhammad, hadith etc.
Beit
Or
12:40, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
CONCUBINE?
How was she Muhammad's concubine when islam very clearly condemns extra marital activities? I think concubine should be relaced by something more appropriate and nearer to the truth. Plus, some of the sources used here are biased - a more neutral approach should be taken. Personal view!
this is an obvious attempt to demonize the prophet muhammed by people who i am guessing are either ravenous zionist pigs, or just your typical run of the mill pseudo intellectual tards with a mild resentment towards muslims in wake of recent events. "wiki"pedia is a joke, and i certainly don't take it as a credible source of info on any subject. sadly though the vast majority of the idiotic masses of people seem to regard it as a oracle of wisdom. (in other words, white people, bringers of such lovely human calamities as the holocaust, nuclear holocaust of japanese, likelihood of future nuclear holocausts, genocide of native americans, mass enslavement of various ethnic groups, financial subjugation and ruin of whole nations and tribes, as well as weaponized diseases... ahh yes, a dangerously pesky thing that malleable mind of the europeon male. its only resulted in... what? 300-perhaps as high as 500 million deaths in a century alone? and thats not counting the subsequent lives that have been lost aswell) anyways, to hell with you scum of the earth telling these horrific, demonstrative lies about the prophet of islam. i myself am not a muslim, but it certainly doesn't take one to detect the overtly evident contemptuous tone of these articles pertaining to anything remotely associated with those whom happen to have the current misfortune of being in the path of the ever so malevolent minds of the "civilized" west. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.149.71.235 ( talk) 21:48, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Please take into account the literal translation of the Arabic version of this article which explicitly states in a translation of events: "that Prophet Muhammad "Peace Be Upon Him" was informed of "Um al Mo'menin"'s Rayhana's Embracement of Islam" on a continuation to the Story "Prophet Muhammad offered "Um al Mo'menin" Rayhana the status of becoming his wife when she accepted Islam, but she favored to remain with her current status."even after accepting Islam." This is faultily mentioned on this article as: "Muhammad took her as a maiden slave and offered her the status of becoming his wife if she accepted Islam, but she refused", explicitly giving the chance to comprehend as: That she refused both "Embracing Islam" and "The Wife status, therefore". Fdabbass1 ( talk) 07:25, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Hello, Little assistance here?
Fdabbass1 (
talk)
18:27, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
The full text of that paragraph is "According to Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad took her as a maiden slave and offered her the status of becoming his wife if she accepted Islam, but she refused. According to his account, even though Rayhana is said to have later converted to Islam, she died as a slave." This seems to show clarification of your concern in the very next sentence. How would you suggest improving this wording?
FractalFive (
talk)
14:31, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Why does her name need to be transliterated into Hebrew when "Rayhana bint Zayd" is a thoroughly Arabic name and her tribe did not even speak Hebrew? Wissamkhatib ( talk) 12:18, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
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They are very few, contradictory and even written with very bad Arabic grammar, there is doubt cast over every detail of her life. This is a very interesting subject, but confusing to say the least. FrummerThanThou 22:27, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Sure. But please let use good quality sources rather than personal opinions. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 23:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
This is article is still under construction. It is hard to furnish sources for everything on the go, so please tag any statements with {fact} individually before reverting them entirely. I will be creating a death of Mohammad sometime soon, so will be able to merge loose details if needed. FrummerThanThou 00:54, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Material added need to be supported by sources. The burden to provide such sources is on the editor adding material, not on the editor wanting to remove material. See WP:V. If you want, you can work on a sandbox in the username space such as User:FrummerThanThou/Rayhana Bint Zayd], rather than in here. Of course, if you have good material supported by sources that you want to add, that would be most welcome. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 01:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I changed "concubine" to the more specific MMA. Concubinage includes situations that is punishable by Islamic Law, MMA is simply more accurate and informative. -- Striver 00:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
The Sirat-e-Halbiyyah does mention her as his wife but says nothing about her refusal to veil herself. This is either plagiarism from some other book or the author of Note 2 has written falsely in the name of the book. Since the argument here is about the credibility of the book itself that claims those things, it's also important to check the credibility of the user who posted note 2 and contents relating to it. I can post scanned pages relating to Rayhana from the book. FlexibleCogito 16:42, 20 July 2007 (UTC) FlexibeCogito
Nur al-Din al-Halabi is not a reliable source. If there is indeed a rival Muslim tradition that Rayhana became Muhammad's wife, it must be sourced to widely accepted Muslim biographies of Muhammad, hadith etc.
Beit
Or
12:40, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
CONCUBINE?
How was she Muhammad's concubine when islam very clearly condemns extra marital activities? I think concubine should be relaced by something more appropriate and nearer to the truth. Plus, some of the sources used here are biased - a more neutral approach should be taken. Personal view!
this is an obvious attempt to demonize the prophet muhammed by people who i am guessing are either ravenous zionist pigs, or just your typical run of the mill pseudo intellectual tards with a mild resentment towards muslims in wake of recent events. "wiki"pedia is a joke, and i certainly don't take it as a credible source of info on any subject. sadly though the vast majority of the idiotic masses of people seem to regard it as a oracle of wisdom. (in other words, white people, bringers of such lovely human calamities as the holocaust, nuclear holocaust of japanese, likelihood of future nuclear holocausts, genocide of native americans, mass enslavement of various ethnic groups, financial subjugation and ruin of whole nations and tribes, as well as weaponized diseases... ahh yes, a dangerously pesky thing that malleable mind of the europeon male. its only resulted in... what? 300-perhaps as high as 500 million deaths in a century alone? and thats not counting the subsequent lives that have been lost aswell) anyways, to hell with you scum of the earth telling these horrific, demonstrative lies about the prophet of islam. i myself am not a muslim, but it certainly doesn't take one to detect the overtly evident contemptuous tone of these articles pertaining to anything remotely associated with those whom happen to have the current misfortune of being in the path of the ever so malevolent minds of the "civilized" west. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.149.71.235 ( talk) 21:48, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Please take into account the literal translation of the Arabic version of this article which explicitly states in a translation of events: "that Prophet Muhammad "Peace Be Upon Him" was informed of "Um al Mo'menin"'s Rayhana's Embracement of Islam" on a continuation to the Story "Prophet Muhammad offered "Um al Mo'menin" Rayhana the status of becoming his wife when she accepted Islam, but she favored to remain with her current status."even after accepting Islam." This is faultily mentioned on this article as: "Muhammad took her as a maiden slave and offered her the status of becoming his wife if she accepted Islam, but she refused", explicitly giving the chance to comprehend as: That she refused both "Embracing Islam" and "The Wife status, therefore". Fdabbass1 ( talk) 07:25, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Hello, Little assistance here?
Fdabbass1 (
talk)
18:27, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
The full text of that paragraph is "According to Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad took her as a maiden slave and offered her the status of becoming his wife if she accepted Islam, but she refused. According to his account, even though Rayhana is said to have later converted to Islam, she died as a slave." This seems to show clarification of your concern in the very next sentence. How would you suggest improving this wording?
FractalFive (
talk)
14:31, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Why does her name need to be transliterated into Hebrew when "Rayhana bint Zayd" is a thoroughly Arabic name and her tribe did not even speak Hebrew? Wissamkhatib ( talk) 12:18, 24 January 2016 (UTC)